S7 EP8: Invincible / X-Men 97 End of season recap

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[00:00:44] What's up, Kevin?

[00:00:45] I have not been

[00:00:46] Oh my god, can you believe that I've missed that?

[00:00:48] I've not been able to say it for a while. Like when I'm hosting it doesn't work when I'm not here

[00:00:53] I hear you guys talk about it but oh man

[00:00:55] I mean

[00:00:57] I'm okay with the guest doing it

[00:00:59] You know, I'm just saying John Avene episode was good

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[00:01:10] Theme of the season

[00:01:12] But Primos I am back. I was gone but I'm now back stronger than ever some might say I'm even

[00:01:19] Invincible

[00:01:20] Which is one of the topics we'll be covering tonight. Primos stay tuned as well as

[00:01:25] Are you?

[00:01:27] No, but it's just yeah, there's so much cool animation going on right now. I just I'm excited to talk about it

[00:01:34] Yeah talking about Invincible of course X-Men 97 up to this point which

[00:01:39] By this recording we are at the penultimate

[00:01:43] Yes, yes

[00:01:44] almost almost to the end

[00:01:46] And uh already guaranteed to have new seasons

[00:01:50] I'm excited and we'll get right into it but first Primo of course

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[00:02:32] The content you've been doing

[00:02:34] Has been really really good recently man. I've been sitting there like man. This is deep. This is fun

[00:02:39] The whole stuff was cool. All right

[00:02:41] And I really want somebody else to come along and try to challenge you again

[00:02:44] I like those videos more definitely definitely they're fun

[00:02:47] There was literally one guy so

[00:02:50] Comic drake is a is a big comic book youtuber that I've been collaborating with on a small scale a couple times and

[00:02:58] He responded to somebody's video where the guy clearly just hadn't read the comic book

[00:03:02] He just wanted to complain about it being woke or something

[00:03:04] And and so he responded making fun of the guy and I responded as well with the video explaining exactly why that first guy was so

[00:03:11] Incorrect, right?

[00:03:12] And well that guy finally responded to comic drake's video saying

[00:03:16] You know, well, I do read the comics and I said really did you and then he just kind of gave me a

[00:03:22] Like tongue out emoji and called it a day. So i'm like

[00:03:26] A part of me is like I want to tag him in my videos

[00:03:28] See if he'll do a stitch to mine, but i'm like do I really want to get into an all night beef?

[00:03:32] I think you're like on my style not instigating something

[00:03:35] But you're also like kind of like you're you're starting something let that guy chase you know

[00:03:39] I'm encouraging people to

[00:03:42] You know lay their own traps

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[00:04:08] I have also been doing weekly movie reviews for the past

[00:04:12] Month or two. I was gonna mention. Yeah, you've been doing those

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[00:04:23] But I still want to do them anyway. So even though tick tock only shares my comic book posts and does not share my movie ones

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[00:04:52] Well before we dive into I talked about invincible because we're gonna mention that tonight

[00:04:56] But me and you are going to just kind of talk about what we've been watching as far as

[00:05:00] cartoons or animation what have you here recently

[00:05:04] And we are going to talk about x-97 and invincible a little more in depth

[00:05:09] And Kevin, what have you been kind of watching outside of those that you want to bring up?

[00:05:14] Well, um, you know, well, it's a few much bad a few months back now because for some reason disney put them all out in one week

[00:05:20] Or one day rather instead of uh, no, it was one week. What if season two they put out over nine days?

[00:05:25] Which is really weird. It doesn't really give you much time to like digest

[00:05:29] I'm not a big fan of the whole massive, you know dump everything on netflix at a time

[00:05:34] But I watched that back in in january and december and

[00:05:38] Then the one i've been watching lately is this anime delicious and dungeon, which is a lot of fun

[00:05:43] Uh, it's eliam and recommended that one. Yeah

[00:05:46] Well, you know, she's been all on this dungeons and dragons kick

[00:05:48] Which I can't wait for because I really think it'll be a lot of fun

[00:05:51] I've never actually played a full game of dungeons and dragons

[00:05:53] I'm all for it and I mean, I told told you guys and john knows like we're we're definitely gonna do it

[00:06:00] And we want to really put it um from forward and

[00:06:03] Take advantage of and have fun. I think it'd be great idea and why not, you know, like

[00:06:09] I love what you guys did. I love his whole idea of involving his family

[00:06:13] I don't know what kind of adventure we would run into. I don't know that we will make our own

[00:06:18] Yeah, definitely

[00:06:19] I think it'd be I think it'd be really fun. It all depends on who's you know, mastering the dungeon so to speak

[00:06:25] Yeah, we gotta figure that out

[00:06:27] So tell me a little more about delicious and dungeon because I know it's about

[00:06:31] These these adventurers the indy ish kind of fantasy ish adventures and they discover what?

[00:06:38] So the whole thing about the delicious dungeon is that there's

[00:06:41] I don't know how exactly

[00:06:43] Dungeons and Dragons took hold of like

[00:06:47] Japanese pop cultures consciousness

[00:06:49] But like they've been a big part of anime and manga for decades like way more

[00:06:54] Then they ever took over in the u.s. Like the u.s. Definitely had an influence on on Dungeons and Dragons influence, which was

[00:07:01] You know the hobbit and Lord of the Rings that that's definitely had influence on a lot of pop culture here in the u.s

[00:07:05] But not to the extent that Dungeons and Dragons specifically

[00:07:09] I mean like the dragon quest games final fantasy

[00:07:13] So many is a chi anime where they go through another world all that stuff

[00:07:17] It's all just basically recreations of some iteration Dungeons and Dragons and delicious and dungeon does that

[00:07:24] Very literally but then flips this you know game mechanic system on its head and says

[00:07:29] Yeah, but what if it was all about like nature and biology and all of the

[00:07:34] Characters all the main characters are trying to figure out ways they can

[00:07:37] Find proper nutrition out of eating the monsters they encounter and and it's

[00:07:41] It's so weird like it's obvious stuff like they'll they'll attack a walking mushroom

[00:07:46] And then kill it and eat it which you know makes sense. All right

[00:07:49] It's about as smart as a chicken and it's made out of mushroom makes sense

[00:07:53] But then then another episode they'll be fighting living armor

[00:07:57] Which is a a trope from you know these kind of fantasy games where you actually have like

[00:08:00] Hollow armor attacking you like how do you eat hollow armor?

[00:08:03] Well spoilers for that specific episode, but they peel apart the metal plates and they find out that it's actually not a haunted

[00:08:09] You know ghost or something

[00:08:11] It is a colony of mollusks living inside the metal

[00:08:14] That are moving together to protect the colony

[00:08:17] And so that's why they move around like that and i'm like that's such a

[00:08:21] Is it a genius concept that like doesn't at all change the the gameplay elements of like the haunted

[00:08:28] You know armor, but it 100 gives you this new

[00:08:32] You know nature element which then they can eat so that's cool

[00:08:36] No, it's it's cool. It's a kooky. I only

[00:08:39] Call it be like one episode and a half and I like it. I love anime and I'll sit there and watch

[00:08:44] Dude, I've I've been guilty of watching

[00:08:46] The most obscure anime stuff like I watched an anime where they compete

[00:08:51] In memorizing poetry

[00:08:53] And it's like so out of control like over the top almost shown him but they literally

[00:08:59] Just memorized poetry lines

[00:09:01] I was just gonna say I love how a lot of like like when people talk about shonen and talking about that

[00:09:06] Literally translates to like young young men stories

[00:09:09] And the thing is those are usually like dragon ball or or yugioh or something where it's just like yeah

[00:09:13] Euro goes to fight monsters or competitions or whatever

[00:09:16] But like so many of them are about like

[00:09:18] Really specific sports and like cooking and poetry. It's like that's crazy, man

[00:09:25] Why not man like you can make that's proof concept that

[00:09:29] As long as there's a good character to follow

[00:09:32] And development comes with it and growth

[00:09:35] Any genre or any topic can be made into something fun and enjoyable. So oh, yeah, I enjoy it for me

[00:09:42] As far as on that vein. I've been watching rewatching a couple things my son and me been watching. Um

[00:09:48] Infinity train

[00:09:49] I don't like to call this one. No everybody told me to watch it and right when I was like, all right

[00:09:53] I'm gonna make some time now HBO took it off

[00:09:56] Yeah, which sucks because now it's like

[00:09:58] unfortunately, you're gonna have to

[00:10:01] um

[00:10:02] And my dog goes whining but um, you're gonna have to find it

[00:10:06] He is

[00:10:12] This massive

[00:10:15] This thing here

[00:10:16] five months old

[00:10:18] Things as tall as me now

[00:10:20] See that that's your mistake. You should have a dog. That's not that that young you need an older one

[00:10:24] I have here a 20-something cat. So now she is well, she's also whining now that I think about it

[00:10:32] There you go max. Say bye. This is what this is what my premise is all about the furry primos

[00:10:37] Furry primos so so what anime you want to go?

[00:10:41] Go there but back on this one cartoon network

[00:10:45] Had this great series called infinity train and each season was a different

[00:10:51] um person going through the train right the train was literally a train running through this huge

[00:10:57] deserted land and it every single train car

[00:11:01] Was like a different world or universe or like a trial because you have to find a way to the next car

[00:11:06] And there was ways to unlock the door to go to the next one

[00:11:10] Be it a puzzle be it a music thing be it a fight. What have you?

[00:11:14] It was awesome, but it was always about growth each character was going through something

[00:11:19] This show is about four or five years old if i'm mistaken

[00:11:23] But the fact that i'm gonna give something away, but one of them was going through

[00:11:28] A divorce

[00:11:29] His parents are divorcing and they're dealing with that separation and how

[00:11:33] They need to

[00:11:35] Not necessarily blame themselves and focus on what they do well and growth and how things are still going to be okay

[00:11:42] Uh and not dwell on the fact that they did something wrong, right?

[00:11:45] And also keep themselves from growing and doing what they really want to do and being almost like

[00:11:51] Self sabotaging in a way. So it's just a really deep story which is presented to mostly like 10 year olds, you know, I mean

[00:11:58] And that's the kind of show that I love

[00:12:00] Yeah, that's the kind of show that I love where you have something that's ostensibly for kids

[00:12:04] But has so much more depth to it. That's why I love that's why I loved adventure time

[00:12:08] It's what I people keep telling me about blui which i've not seen yet everybody keeps telling me about that

[00:12:13] I have not sat down and watched blui because I guess I just just not

[00:12:16] I don't have a kid that age or I just haven't really sat down and watched it. I know of it

[00:12:21] But it's just not my deal, but I hear that this it's deep and there's a lot going on in there, but

[00:12:27] I would recommend if you like things like gravity falls

[00:12:30] If you like adventure time

[00:12:32] Over the garden wall. These are

[00:12:34] Amazing amazing shows that has such a short life adventure time was huge. It had a long life

[00:12:39] But um, we even have Fiona and cake which by the way

[00:12:43] Awesome. Yeah, I definitely definitely recommend watching those shows. I've only watched a couple episodes that I keep forgetting to watch the rest of it

[00:12:49] I need to do that. I'm missing out man

[00:12:51] I know

[00:12:52] Well, because originally I thought it was going to be just alt reality and then I'm watching it

[00:12:55] I'm like no wait this is tied into the actual adventure time show and then it is very much

[00:13:01] Then I get to episode like two or three and I'm like wait they're now in another reality

[00:13:04] I'm getting so I really need to go back and watch that

[00:13:07] You definitely for comic book man

[00:13:09] That understands the Marvel universe and every single numbered verse and how it works

[00:13:13] But I know so many people are getting tired of the multiverse already

[00:13:16] Which which kind of sucks for me because I love the multiverse as long as it can be done right

[00:13:20] It can be done stupid and I think done right. It's really fun

[00:13:24] All right, Pimos will stay tuned. We'll jump right into our main topic tonight

[00:13:29] invincible

[00:14:20] Welcome back Pimos. I'm glad you enjoyed that little break as much as we did

[00:14:24] And Kevin, you know talking about all these animated shows that we're excited about for example the ones that got pulled off max

[00:14:31] You would think that

[00:14:32] Shows with such great scores

[00:14:35] Critics love it fans love it. We're pining for more. We'll be able to survive things like

[00:14:42] critique big corporate decisions like that. I mean you damn near have to be

[00:14:47] invincible

[00:14:50] There's our attempt Pimos to do something

[00:14:52] Tied into the show, but yes, we're gonna start tonight with talking about

[00:14:56] season

[00:14:58] 2.5 and 2

[00:15:01] Yeah, well because we did talk a little bit about the first half

[00:15:03] But yeah the whole season but not only that I want to touch on season one for just one second and that is

[00:15:08] Oh, wait, I forgot in between seasons. We also got the adam ead special

[00:15:12] Adam ead special which I really really enjoyed. Yeah, but but no my big thing is that season one

[00:15:18] Was well written like I always thought the original book comic book was well written, right?

[00:15:22] But like this the season one improved on the comic book like it took stuff that didn't age well like

[00:15:28] The the his friend who coming out as gay in the comic. That's not really it doesn't have the same effect today as it would have

[00:15:35] you know 25 years ago and and then

[00:15:40] It just the timing was better, right? But the animation of season one

[00:15:44] Was so bad. Yeah, so bad. There was literally scenes where he's flying through the skies

[00:15:49] And it's just sliding the picture of him across the sky like this is like the marvel 1967 cartoons. It was that bad

[00:15:57] But they even made fun of it in this season 2 episode where spoilers he yeah

[00:16:01] He goes to comic con and meets his favorite, you know

[00:16:05] Cartoon as a comic book creator. I think we're all good

[00:16:08] Yeah, by the way, so so much of invincible because I read the whole comic series, right so much of it

[00:16:14] what is

[00:16:16] Often seen for seen what happened in the comics and in that particular one

[00:16:20] um, it seems like they're kind of making fun of

[00:16:23] Uh, Robert Kirkman to an extent right?

[00:16:26] But in the original in the original comic, they were making fun of another

[00:16:30] Combat creator, uh, brian michael bendis

[00:16:32] Who was known for doing overly wordy dialogue and just having the artist repeat the same panel over and over again

[00:16:39] Just so different dialogue. Yep. Yeah, and that was it

[00:16:42] And sometimes even just panel with no dialogue and be the same panel again

[00:16:45] and so they did the whole joke and

[00:16:47] Somehow they took that joke that is very much an in-joke for the comic industry

[00:16:51] And then made it a perfect joke for just people who watched the show like it worked so well

[00:16:57] Yeah, because it was a huge gap. I mean there was what a two and a half year gap roughly

[00:17:02] Had it wasn't that long we we got we got say season 2

[00:17:06] And then we got season

[00:17:09] 2.5 because we got yeah, they broke it three or four episodes

[00:17:13] Then we had a break

[00:17:15] Then we got treated by the adam eve

[00:17:17] Movie-ish episode. Yeah, which is awesome

[00:17:20] And then we had to wait another four or five six months to get the second half of season two. Yeah, here we are

[00:17:27] What are your thoughts man? You've been read so let's everybody full disclosure. There will be spoilers, but

[00:17:33] You've read the books

[00:17:35] Because I've read the books I'm more interested in what you have to say

[00:17:38] Like is there anything that happened this season that surprised you that you're like

[00:17:42] I didn't expect them to go back to that or didn't expect them to go there or that kind of stuff

[00:17:47] So

[00:17:48] Okay, not having read anything when we

[00:17:51] Were with omni man. I would start with omni man

[00:17:52] That's like the biggest one right because we knew season one from episode one

[00:17:56] That he was trouble and in the comics they didn't reveal that for like

[00:17:59] I think seven eight issues in before they finally revealed that that

[00:18:02] Um, but it wasn't till the end of the season that you got to see him really tear everything apart

[00:18:08] And uh end of this season. What was your take on him?

[00:18:13] I don't know. I felt like there was a

[00:18:16] point in the show

[00:18:17] This season where omni man

[00:18:20] Is struggling with becoming human

[00:18:22] That's kind of away from it

[00:18:24] Because he's always been

[00:18:26] Blending in being the quote-unquote like the superman of that world, right? Yeah. Yeah and

[00:18:32] For him to always still have hey, I'm not like you. I'm above you. I'm better than you all this superiority that he has

[00:18:38] Right omni man, right? There it is in the name

[00:18:41] and then to have to

[00:18:44] destroy something

[00:18:46] That maybe not

[00:18:50] Initially he wanted to care for as much as he did

[00:18:53] But as you see the season go through is and he's now at another planet

[00:18:57] He's now formed another family, you know unit

[00:19:01] And he's now helping more and more people

[00:19:04] And he just decided to

[00:19:06] To abandon everything just to stop being the main issue there because he can't deal with what's happening on earth

[00:19:12] Like he knows what you might you're gonna come through. He knows that

[00:19:16] But he can't deal with the emotional fallout of what he did to his whole family

[00:19:20] To everybody

[00:19:21] In the world that saw him as that hero

[00:19:24] So that shame hit him because somebody that doesn't give a fuck doesn't give a fuck

[00:19:28] Right. Hey, I'm above you. I don't care

[00:19:30] But for the fact for him to flee like that

[00:19:33] It makes him seem more emotional more human more shameful, right?

[00:19:36] As opposed to that race that we see in the season that did have no care about what these lesser beings think of them

[00:19:44] And omni man, you know get to mark when we get to mark. Yeah, omni man to me

[00:19:50] seemed like he's

[00:19:52] Discovering all these emotions and feelings that he never had a chance to really explore

[00:19:57] and because of that we see a

[00:20:00] less

[00:20:02] Kind of say it

[00:20:04] Not a weaker omni man less perfect

[00:20:08] Less perfect. I just see

[00:20:10] I see the lines in the cracks and I go, okay

[00:20:13] You're you're you're becoming human. This is something I wondered after season one because

[00:20:19] I knew this was coming right. I knew that we're eventually going to see him this other side of him

[00:20:24] And in the comics it was dozens of issues

[00:20:27] Very slowly getting the audience to be like no, maybe we can trust him again

[00:20:32] And I was like, how are they going to do that in the show because that's going to take way too long

[00:20:36] And I think it all comes down to jk Simmons. You know, he does such a good job with the performance

[00:20:42] You talk about him being superior. There's a line. He says at the end of this season

[00:20:46] Where he is 100% I think it's the very last scene of the season actually. Yeah, and he's he's sympathetic now

[00:20:52] He's come to realize that he cares about

[00:20:55] But but it's his phrasing

[00:20:57] He says lesser beings and he doesn't say it

[00:21:00] Like

[00:21:01] In a demeaning way. It's just I mean matter of fact like I am an invincible

[00:21:06] Immortal god compared to all of you, but he doesn't say it in any way

[00:21:11] That feels like he's full of himself. He's doing it with

[00:21:15] It's like to empathetically say how much better you are than everybody else

[00:21:20] And but almost to the point where he's like

[00:21:23] He's almost like

[00:21:24] Damn, I can't believe I'm that much that much more powerful than you are

[00:21:29] But that's my point like the lines are almost the same as in the comic, but but it's the delivery that makes it so

[00:21:36] Believable and it works. But but that raises like let me before we go under the characters

[00:21:42] Can you as an audience member?

[00:21:44] forgive him for chicago

[00:21:49] No, because there's a lot I mean to be honest

[00:21:52] There's so much that happened there the fact that

[00:21:56] We're gonna get there because we need to get there. But what I'm saying is me watching what he did in season one

[00:22:02] Broke my heart. Oh, yeah, and I'm like as a father as a human being as a child, right like having

[00:22:08] No matter what and everybody's story is different

[00:22:10] I don't want to assume anything for anybody out there listening or watching us

[00:22:14] But for the most part when you're a young child your father is that super being to some extent

[00:22:19] Whatever parent you have an extension of that be it a mother be it a father but it whomever but that parental being becomes that

[00:22:27] This is the super being in my life. Yeah, and for that person to turn on you hurt you so much

[00:22:33] not only yourself, but

[00:22:35] everyone around you put them in danger and

[00:22:38] almost literally

[00:22:41] Just throw everything out the window that you knew

[00:22:44] It's something I'm forgivable, but but not just well, I mean especially to the family

[00:22:49] But but like even beyond that to the general public

[00:22:53] We definitely saw it in the comic

[00:22:56] But I felt like even with the animation being a lower quality in season one

[00:22:59] It was so much more visceral in the show lingering on people being torn apart

[00:23:04] It was dude the scene in the train the train. Oh my god. I don't even I didn't remember that train

[00:23:09] I think that was like one time in Mortal Kombat. It literally is omnie man's fatality

[00:23:14] They made a pop of it apparently of the track. Why would you do that? I want it Funko pop Jesus

[00:23:20] I want it just because I'm like that

[00:23:23] those scenes

[00:23:24] Hit

[00:23:25] And it's a reminder of something. I had my son draw me the Godzilla

[00:23:30] remember the Godzilla

[00:23:31] Minus one scene where the young lady sees Godzilla coming from the bus window the train window

[00:23:36] I had him draw that for me because that scene

[00:23:38] That funeral eyes that like oh no moment

[00:23:42] That that meant like there's a hit a certain chord with me that scene with the train

[00:23:47] And at the end with Mark's bloody body saying like

[00:23:50] Yeah, but I have you

[00:23:52] That whole thing

[00:23:55] Hairs you up man. So how about Mark's development? Okay not having read the books

[00:24:03] I think Mark's struggling with becoming more vulture might then then what he expected

[00:24:07] Yeah, well

[00:24:10] Yeah, and no, but I think it's also that like

[00:24:13] It's a weird kind of expectation because like if let's take omnie man being Superman, right?

[00:24:18] If your dad was perfect

[00:24:20] Then there's this expectation you have to be perfect and it'd be hard to live up to but in this case

[00:24:25] his dad's a monster and literally

[00:24:28] Half the people he talks to are disappointed that he's not becoming a monster

[00:24:32] And the other half the people are just saying well, you're gonna do that anyway

[00:24:35] You know and and a few people that are telling him no, it's okay

[00:24:39] You can see in their eyes that that's not what they're thinking. You know what I mean?

[00:24:42] So it's like it's it's a weird kind of

[00:24:44] I don't feel like he's he's he is becoming that that vulture might monster

[00:24:49] but

[00:24:50] The the weird societal pressure of you're gonna do it anyway. So you might as well

[00:24:55] It's pushing him towards that like we talk about these situations where people say

[00:24:59] The environment drove him to do that. Yeah, like it feels as though

[00:25:03] There's so much pressure

[00:25:05] Literally he he went to go help which was to see his father. Let's just put out there and now he has a sibling

[00:25:12] Right. Yeah, which means yeah, well we talk on that and

[00:25:17] Yeah, because it's the whole barrel of snakes when it comes to that whole thing

[00:25:21] But the fact that he has to go to this other he's a responsibility that's expected of him

[00:25:26] C-Soul is expecting a lot out of him like almost like hey you oh

[00:25:30] Even though he's not saying it he almost makes him feel like

[00:25:33] Hey, man, your old man did all this. So now, you know, you got to do extra like not in so many words

[00:25:39] I always love the C-Soul character. I love that he is

[00:25:42] He is that that sleazy spy of nick fury and he looks he's coded to look like a bad guy because

[00:25:49] In real life if somebody has you know scars on their face, that's just who they are

[00:25:54] But in comic books the coding is always oh, they're the bad guy

[00:25:57] But no C-Soul earnestly wants to help he helps in his own way which doesn't always work out

[00:26:02] But like he earnestly wants to be a good person and that's

[00:26:05] I love that character

[00:26:08] There are times where C-Soul comes off as

[00:26:11] All right, man, you have a job to do

[00:26:14] Yeah, I know that we accept that we accept that that is your job and because you have to do that

[00:26:20] We were trying to blind eye to his sometimes his shitty decisions what he's done

[00:26:24] But then we learned throughout the episodes in the season, especially that he's done things because he wants to help those closest to him

[00:26:32] especially with

[00:26:33] I think we'll touch on it here in a moment, but like

[00:26:36] Mark's mother. Yeah

[00:26:38] But before we move there

[00:26:40] Mark like I said reason I say that I feel like he's struggling is because

[00:26:44] Look, he's trying to go to college. He's dealing with that whole old age story. We've seen comic books

[00:26:49] They can't have both, you know, they have to choose one side or the other

[00:26:52] They can't be teenagers and have a good time because you still have the same responsibilities of the whole world relying on you

[00:26:57] Right being a superhero

[00:26:59] He can't have a relationship with his girlfriend

[00:27:01] Which tell me if I'm wrong Kevin because you read the books. Yeah

[00:27:05] There's a huge difference between her attitude

[00:27:08] It's season one and season two

[00:27:10] Okay, I've heard that and I disagree

[00:27:12] Um, I've heard some people complain about that apparently

[00:27:16] Uh, I

[00:27:18] I well, I'll tell you what I got took away from in a minute, but I've heard people say that amber

[00:27:23] Uh in season one was like either ungrateful or something because she would complain about him going off to to save people

[00:27:30] and that here she's either better or or more complaining depending on who's talking and

[00:27:35] I 100% disagree

[00:27:38] Amber in the comics

[00:27:40] was just a pretty blonde white girl that um, he liked in school

[00:27:46] And when she finds out he's invincible. She's basically like cool. I'm dating a superhero, you know

[00:27:51] And and she's a little bit more deep than that but not by much

[00:27:55] Um, and then when it ends it just it just I mean they do have a little ending as well, but

[00:28:01] But she's not a very deep character by any means and this amber, you know, she works at the food clinic

[00:28:07] She works at she is constantly fighting people's rights encouraging mark to do the hard things even when they're hard

[00:28:14] you know it's it's

[00:28:16] every step along the way she's a good person plus

[00:28:19] Plus I hate to point out to

[00:28:22] To like tv tropes kind of stereotypes

[00:28:24] But there is a trope in a lot of shows of like the disposable black girlfriend where they're gonna have

[00:28:30] A woman of color who is the love interest of the main protagonist

[00:28:34] But eventually he's gonna find the real true one true pairing and it's like

[00:28:39] That's unfortunate

[00:28:40] But I really felt in season one that she was a great character and in season two

[00:28:46] I felt that she had a lot more

[00:28:48] Agency than she already had

[00:28:50] So when they do break up it makes sense for her

[00:28:53] Not just for him like literally in the comic book when during the breakup scene

[00:28:57] He says to her and yeah, I think i'm gonna go ask out uh adam eave tomorrow

[00:29:00] Like in the breakup scene, you know, wow

[00:29:03] And she's like oh, I didn't think you'd have to say that but okay

[00:29:07] Like like it was understood but you didn't need to say it but in but in this one. No, it's not about him looking for the next girlfriend

[00:29:13] it's it's about

[00:29:15] These two

[00:29:16] Where they are and where they will always be

[00:29:19] based on their backgrounds and and

[00:29:22] Their backgrounds in terms of superhero versus non superhero, you know

[00:29:25] And I really like the character and I like I hope we get more of her in some capacity

[00:29:31] You know, it took her teeth away man

[00:29:33] From season one

[00:29:34] I you see but I think the big difference is is that

[00:29:38] Literally her boyfriend had the most traumatic time that you could possibly have

[00:29:43] It's like not only did he live through 9 11?

[00:29:45] He was in the middle of it and his dad was the one doing it, you know

[00:29:49] So she didn't so much lose her teeth as she did

[00:29:53] Really try to become supportive of somebody who has dealt with so much trauma. He's gonna have PTSD for the rest of his life

[00:29:59] No, because she's this season

[00:30:02] I didn't dislike her at all. I'm gonna be wrong

[00:30:04] But I think that I noticed that she's not as

[00:30:07] combative and I think it goes back to what you said, right?

[00:30:09] Just thinking it over. She's just trying to be supportive and understanding

[00:30:13] She doesn't want to nag the guy to death. She doesn't want to give him a hard time. She wants to help him

[00:30:19] Yeah

[00:30:20] Yeah, she she understands like oh well

[00:30:22] He he has to go and she even says it it'd be hypocritical of me

[00:30:26] To complain and make you quit that job because you would

[00:30:31] Refuse to help the world, you know, it'd be damn downright wrong of me. I think they're wrong of me to do that

[00:30:37] So I can respect that but I think that just

[00:30:40] It felt as though even though the relationship

[00:30:44] Arc in this season was a main thing that we needed to see happen

[00:30:48] I think we were all reading the signs on the wall

[00:30:51] This isn't gonna work out

[00:30:52] Because they keep trying they keep trying they keep trying and just stuff keeps coming in the way

[00:30:56] And so it's like what is it?

[00:31:00] The best things happen when you're trying to make plans or the worst things I forget how that phrase goes

[00:31:04] Oh, yeah, it's just the best laid plans of mice and men

[00:31:08] There you go. Thank you and

[00:31:11] There's always something there because we they tried so hard to make it work

[00:31:14] I'm moving part-time with Cecil. I'm going on vacation, you know, I'm doing this. I'll be in school

[00:31:19] I can do the dean's list

[00:31:21] It's just not gonna happen for you mark and mark keeps getting beat down

[00:31:25] In every angle, you know, he sees his dad his dad leaves

[00:31:28] He gets beat to shit by the ultra mites again. His dad's taken probably dead on his eyes

[00:31:32] Now he has a little brother. Yeah, and then the the the reality of hey, you got to go home now

[00:31:38] Like because the the planet's pretty much dying there the race dies pretty quick from we understand

[00:31:43] Yeah, and now he has to come home

[00:31:45] And present mom with a brother

[00:31:48] Yes, which that's

[00:31:50] You know when you come down to like can you forgive omni man?

[00:31:52] And you have to think about it from the white because the mother is not

[00:31:56] Super developed in the comic. She does get more toward the latter half of the series

[00:32:01] But in the beginning of the series, she's not super developed. We got a lot more out of her here

[00:32:05] Thanks to the actor. Thanks to sandro. I think is the actor

[00:32:08] That's under oh, yeah

[00:32:09] And thanks to the actor so much more developed

[00:32:12] And so from her point of view

[00:32:15] There is no reason to take this child in because it's not just oh my husband cheated on me

[00:32:20] It's not just oh, he left me and had a new kid and and now this is the kid. I have to kick her up

[00:32:24] No, he killed a city. I mean come on

[00:32:28] Um, and it's not oliver's fault. You know

[00:32:32] He called her a pet

[00:32:35] He called her a pet. Oh my lord called her a pet

[00:32:38] knees

[00:32:41] Do you know how like my wife sat there and gasped as soon as he said that I was like, whoa

[00:32:48] That's low

[00:32:50] And

[00:32:52] Here we are

[00:32:53] She's raising another kid

[00:32:55] on her own. I mean

[00:32:58] And mark's like he's my brother

[00:33:01] and I love the acting from um

[00:33:03] Guys blanking. He's been in everything

[00:33:05] uh, steven in

[00:33:07] yeah, because

[00:33:08] The delivery for mark those those whispers

[00:33:11] Then when he kind of like he drops down in volume and octave and goes like, well

[00:33:15] Hey, it's my brother

[00:33:17] and you're like

[00:33:19] Yeah, you're right at the end of the day is your brother and

[00:33:24] Literally has no

[00:33:27] He's an innocent child and

[00:33:29] Debbie's not going to sit there and just ignoring this and child if she even says it she goes

[00:33:34] My ex's new child love child is sitting in my kitchen

[00:33:37] And I'm here, you know trying to figure out how to do daycare now

[00:33:40] Like look at that. She just

[00:33:43] Shines man as a character in this in this show

[00:33:46] sadly

[00:33:48] Now only man's whining about her in space. I miss my wife. Well, he's not winding though. That's not the one part

[00:33:53] No, no the reason that line is so important

[00:33:56] Is because that is not something he is supposed to do

[00:34:01] All right. Yeah, it's it's like

[00:34:04] if if a human were to suddenly say like

[00:34:07] I breathe water

[00:34:09] Like it doesn't make any sense to him. It doesn't have any

[00:34:12] Footing in reality for him to say that and yet he's saying it and that's what makes it so fascinating is that he's like

[00:34:20] I do that, you know as much as I was complimenting jk simons delivery

[00:34:23] I do think that one line could have been a little bit more intense

[00:34:26] Because I feel like the gravity of it wasn't quite grasped for the last sign last line of the show

[00:34:32] um as if as a watcher

[00:34:35] Never reading the books hearing him say and go

[00:34:38] Here's my wife

[00:34:39] They're almost like a throwaway line and then it ends the season. I'm like, what the fuck

[00:34:43] Yeah, it bothered me. I would have rather he'd been like I

[00:34:48] I think

[00:34:49] I missed my wife

[00:34:51] Like like I wish there was some harm on that

[00:34:54] Maybe they can go back as you know digital age and redub it

[00:34:58] You know speaking of going back if it's okay to move on for a second to the next step

[00:35:02] Definitely

[00:35:04] As somebody as somebody who read the comics there were a few things that I was expecting

[00:35:09] That they did eventually but not the way I would have thought all right. So for example

[00:35:14] Uh omni man's civilian identity. He's a novelist and he wrote sci-fi novels, right?

[00:35:19] When the comics they don't reveal that for a long time and it's like

[00:35:21] Oh by the way, this could be the secret to the future

[00:35:24] And I'm like if you're making the show and you know, it's going to come up

[00:35:28] They should have mentioned it in the first season way sooner

[00:35:31] It could have come up and then um and then donald uh, ccels assistant

[00:35:36] You know, I knew that he was going to be a robot

[00:35:39] But then they just had the you know, they exploded him and stuff and I was like

[00:35:44] No reference to the to the robot stuff. That's not going to come up yet

[00:35:48] Then and they don't reference it and uh, what else there was one other thing that I was like

[00:35:51] I expected a little bit more build-up and they just

[00:35:55] Dropped it. I don't know what it was right now, but but stuff like that where it's like

[00:35:57] I they know these things are here and as much as I love robert kurtman's writing

[00:36:03] I felt like he didn't you know paste those out as well as he could have

[00:36:06] They could have fixed that in the in the show and they just

[00:36:09] Also left it being like oh well mention it later

[00:36:12] Oh, I know what uh duplicate that was the other one

[00:36:16] Dude, so let's talk about that

[00:36:19] So at the beginning of this mid season of this we get

[00:36:24] What is it?

[00:36:25] uh

[00:36:26] The squids invade yeah, and they have to go to space right?

[00:36:30] and

[00:36:32] Yeah

[00:36:33] And so they deal with that whole arc with the with the alien the martian pardon and

[00:36:40] Mind control for the human and here we go. Here we go on earth. They leave rexplowed

[00:36:46] duplicate

[00:36:47] Trinket and I forget the

[00:36:49] I forget her. Yeah a trinket, right

[00:36:52] and monster girl

[00:36:54] monster girl

[00:36:55] Does yeah, but she's not yes. She didn't go on she didn't go on this mission with rexplowed right?

[00:37:00] He also got beat up

[00:37:02] Yeah, she was

[00:37:03] Hock for recovery

[00:37:05] Oh, yeah, you're right. You're right. You were right. She was like the only survivor it seemed because you know rexplowed getting shot in the head

[00:37:12] That was a trippy thing when I when that episode happened

[00:37:15] And I was like oh oh shit they killed rexplowed

[00:37:18] like

[00:37:19] And they kill duplicate that was such an awesome death

[00:37:23] For a duplicating person

[00:37:25] Because he used to have to split away

[00:37:27] To split away and to survive right and then he catches both of them and just goes

[00:37:31] And it's like oh like wow

[00:37:34] And then the what is it the eternal?

[00:37:37] Oh, yeah, this is mind. Yeah the immortal and

[00:37:40] Immortal, excuse me and the mortals his mind because he was involved with kate. I love that whole

[00:37:46] Rex had to like grow the fuck up after that. Yeah

[00:37:50] And by the way, I love pointing this out

[00:37:51] It's not so much a spoiler because it's not really plot relevant ever but the immortal is abraham lincoln

[00:37:57] Like he literally was that's hilarious. I did not know that during the civil war

[00:38:02] He has the chops to the munchups

[00:38:05] Wow, I didn't know that like like it's only ever revealed in like one panel and we're like wait what?

[00:38:12] It makes sense

[00:38:14] It makes sense now. I love pointing it out like that's literally the president link has just been

[00:38:19] He's been a vampire hunter. He's an immortal

[00:38:22] He's everything man

[00:38:24] But yeah, with duplicate I knew that she was coming back

[00:38:27] Because I knew that we were gonna get

[00:38:31] I knew that we're gonna get more of her later

[00:38:33] But I was surprised at how long they took to get there and actually

[00:38:38] I appreciate it and and my partner asked

[00:38:41] Why is mr. Immortal making such a big deal out of it? Why is he quitting over this girl? He was dating for two weeks

[00:38:46] and

[00:38:48] I what I the one my takeaway is this

[00:38:50] If you've been living for at the bare minimum

[00:38:54] 200 years right bare minimum

[00:38:56] He has gotten used to

[00:38:58] You fall in love with somebody they grow old and die or you fall in love with someone and years later

[00:39:04] They leave you or you fall in love with someone and they're with you for a while and then they get killed all of these things

[00:39:08] he's seen

[00:39:09] but with her

[00:39:11] they barely had a few weeks

[00:39:13] and

[00:39:14] For somebody who has made peace with the fact that everybody he loves will die before him

[00:39:22] That

[00:39:23] was a shock the idea that you could have that

[00:39:28] and

[00:39:30] Human lives being a blink of an eye to begin with being an actual blink of an eye

[00:39:34] That's what broke him

[00:39:36] Not necessarily that he's never loved anyone before

[00:39:40] But because the specifics of this situation

[00:39:44] were just so

[00:39:46] On top of everything else that's going on with Audi man and everything else anyway, you know

[00:39:50] We're just so much and and I I can appreciate that. I think if you have a different take on immortality

[00:39:57] I can see that after you explain it when I first saw that I even recall Cesar telling him like hey, man

[00:40:04] This isn't the first one you found in like he told him in so many words

[00:40:07] He says

[00:40:09] Yeah, he's this isn't your first love you've been through this before but he even broke. He's like

[00:40:14] Not this one this one was different like in so many words like no this one was different

[00:40:19] And it hit him like you said and I think your explanation of it

[00:40:23] Makes that a lot more clear why it was so special. I mean to me that's reading between the lines

[00:40:27] It's not like that was said in the comics or anything that that's just my takeaway

[00:40:31] on the character

[00:40:32] I feel like

[00:40:33] Because there's so many stories that are like I've gotten used to people dying from me or

[00:40:38] You know or I never get used to it or whatever

[00:40:40] But the idea of having this sudden and it wasn't like it was a sudden fling and it was ended

[00:40:44] It was a sudden fling that was at the peak of it, you know

[00:40:48] I love that

[00:40:50] That fight just like the animations and and the fact that like

[00:40:54] Shrinking Ray like she's got inside his body and coming out again crushed and like it's what everybody was asking for Thanos

[00:41:02] Exactly do it do it to him jump in his mouth and just blow go big kill him

[00:41:07] but

[00:41:09] You know the guy strong enough constrict and it's over and Rex blow getting shot in the fucking head and still coming back

[00:41:14] And beating him with a nub of his arm

[00:41:17] Everything said he had to die that was intense

[00:41:20] Everything said he had to die

[00:41:22] And he he pulled through and then we find out this other side of him

[00:41:27] Just very relaxed very friendly without a me he wants to watch read fashion. What is it?

[00:41:33] Oh, the

[00:41:35] Architecture magazines like who would have thought I thought he'd be drinking monsters and like

[00:41:41] Pantera, you know, but but here's the thing

[00:41:45] The what part of why I didn't love walking dead as a comic book

[00:41:50] Is that it was just the same thing over and over again

[00:41:52] It was dark and got darker when they were twist. They were twists on the same thing, right?

[00:41:57] But part of why I loved invincible

[00:42:00] Is that the whole series

[00:42:03] Is a love letter to superhero fiction

[00:42:06] Like even though there is a main plot and all the stuff like that

[00:42:09] Every character is a reference to something else. Every event is a reference to something else and in comics

[00:42:16] So often the idea that death is a joke in comics that you die and you don't really die because if you didn't see a body

[00:42:21] They're back to life again

[00:42:22] So Kirkman, you know turns that's on his head and said I'm gonna show you this guy dying in the most brutal violent way ever

[00:42:29] And then bring him back to life

[00:42:30] And it's like, you know what I can respect that I I respect that because it's like

[00:42:35] Yeah, the trope is that comic characters keep going by life. But like

[00:42:38] but by going

[00:42:39] So many steps beyond and then saying, oh no, it was a head wound. He's okay

[00:42:44] You know, he's still gonna come back and say oh, I don't know

[00:42:48] but

[00:42:49] this show

[00:42:51] and

[00:42:52] To move forward right and we're gonna step on to the next conversation which

[00:42:56] From a death will be a big topic. Um

[00:43:00] Definitely, but

[00:43:02] What are your thoughts on the film adaptation coming out? I know we never really talked about it

[00:43:06] But there's a film adaptation

[00:43:08] I earnestly yeah, Seth um

[00:43:10] Oh my god, he's please allen. What's his name says rogan. Yeah, he's writing it. What?

[00:43:16] Okay, you know what I for years have not liked Seth rogan just on principle

[00:43:20] primarily because of one movie and one movie only

[00:43:23] but

[00:43:24] I'll give that a second

[00:43:26] But uh, he is one movie. He's kind of one. No, it's not what you think of this

[00:43:30] He's kind of won me over with his portrayal of allen because I never would have thought

[00:43:34] He'd be so perfect for a character

[00:43:37] And he also won me over a lot with mutant mayhem that initials movie was great. It should have been nominated for oscar

[00:43:42] It really should have um, so you know what?

[00:43:46] That far, huh?

[00:43:47] It was good, but no i'm saying

[00:43:50] I mean it would have gotten

[00:43:51] Oh the animated film it I didn't say it should have won the oscar. I said it should have been nominated

[00:43:57] Um, I don't remember. Yeah, it was great

[00:43:58] There was one movie from I think disney that was okay, but definitely should have been on the list

[00:44:03] I don't remember what it was

[00:44:04] um

[00:44:05] All right, so that movie by the way that that that is why I don't like seth rogan is the green hornet

[00:44:11] And and yeah, I agree. Yeah, but no when it was but no not because the movie's bad

[00:44:16] I don't care. He can make bad movies. I have no problem with that

[00:44:19] Um, yes, I have loved green hornet as as a character that that it goes back to the 1930s

[00:44:24] You know, I like this kind of cable was pretty badass in that movie. I mean

[00:44:28] But here's the problem

[00:44:30] Stephen chow is my favorite chinese director

[00:44:34] He made uh shallon soccer for example and kung fu hustle

[00:44:37] I'm not kung fu hustle is is my least favorite of his movies, but it's most americans favorite

[00:44:42] Whatever point is he is a funny director. He's a great action star

[00:44:46] Green hornet was supposed to be his american debut

[00:44:49] He was going to direct the movie and be kato

[00:44:52] It would have been bruce lee all over again, but with comedy and I was

[00:44:57] Here for that movie, but all seth rogan wanted to do was make a stoner comedy

[00:45:02] So steven chow quit and never did an american film ever

[00:45:07] He's now retired from acting. He still directs movies, but he's retired from acting saying he's too old to be an action hero

[00:45:12] Despite the fact that he's younger than kiana reeves and all these guys but um, but

[00:45:18] We could have had a steven chow movie

[00:45:21] You know every other year just like we get like a jackie chan movie every other year

[00:45:23] And every other year he does a chinese movie we could have had these things and it's all seth rogan's fault

[00:45:29] cannot cannot

[00:45:30] Shalom soccer is fun. It is the best. Um, all those

[00:45:34] It's a lot of fun. I mean I kung fu hustle and then

[00:45:39] Well again, I've seen a lot of his other movies. Um, I'm not gonna get to that right now

[00:45:42] But the point is I am starting to forgive

[00:45:46] Or at the very least respect

[00:45:48] seth rogan because of invincible and uh mutant mayhem

[00:45:51] Yeah, he's writing

[00:45:54] Um the invincible

[00:45:56] live action film

[00:46:00] So what are your thoughts on that? Is that something that maybe she's not be done? Are we

[00:46:04] My only my only compunction on it is

[00:46:08] I don't see a purpose for it

[00:46:11] Like if you think of okay

[00:46:13] You think of star wars, right?

[00:46:15] Okay, our words is a universe. You could pick any point in the universe and tell a story there, right?

[00:46:20] But then you think of avatar the last airbender

[00:46:23] That is a very specific story

[00:46:25] And why do you need to retell that same very specific story in a movie and it didn't work well in the movie

[00:46:32] It worked moderately okay in the netflix series

[00:46:35] But like it didn't need to be retold the exact same way

[00:46:38] We are already retelling invincible as a story in the cartoon

[00:46:43] Are they just going to hit the same beats in the movie?

[00:46:46] And if they don't hit the same beats in the movie then are they going to refer to them?

[00:46:50] Like maybe it takes place between seasons and it's actually in continuity with the cartoon that'd be neat

[00:46:55] But like I can't figure out

[00:46:58] What purpose that would have

[00:47:00] Other than just to exist

[00:47:03] I don't know. I would I remember vaguely and able to do more research for next time when we discuss it, but

[00:47:09] I do believe that there is a different

[00:47:12] path they're going to go with on live action, but like you said

[00:47:16] Why would you not follow a lot of these same beats because you need to that is the story right literally that character's story

[00:47:23] You know it's called well. It's his story

[00:47:25] I'm curious. I'm curious. I don't know. I'm just kind of

[00:47:28] I'm excited

[00:47:29] For more invincible

[00:47:32] I'm excited. I'm excited for next season like um

[00:47:35] All I know is I saw a little bit of the cast for season three and the one name that popped up was michael doran

[00:47:40] And i'm like yes

[00:47:42] He had one little tiny cameo in season one as this white furry lion cat person

[00:47:48] And he was a flunky for the mafioso guy and i'm like yeah, I remember I need battle beast

[00:47:54] I need him back

[00:47:55] Is he is a cool character of the comics and that he's a wharf

[00:47:59] He is wharf in the show and he wasn't in this season at all

[00:48:02] But we are so gonna get him next season and i'm so excited

[00:48:06] Be fine. I'm excited for invincible. I mean overall the season was great. I think obviously

[00:48:13] Better than season one. Well, obviously

[00:48:15] But season one was was an eye opener just in the nature of what it was

[00:48:20] So it's kind of how I compare gardens galaxy one to two

[00:48:24] Two may be a better overall movie, but one just did so much to prove what they could do, you know

[00:48:29] It's like iron man

[00:48:30] The iron man one. Yeah. Yeah

[00:48:33] Yeah, but primos stay tuned. We'll get into our x-men talk

[00:48:39] We're back primos. Thanks so much for hanging in with us tonight and we are going to talk about x-men 97

[00:49:04] kevin garcia

[00:49:06] I want to talk about this show

[00:49:08] And i'm gonna it's spoilers guys. It's whole episode spoilers. I'm sorry

[00:49:12] The biggest thing i'm taking away from this show right now. It's good that we're warning you about spoilers halfway through the episode

[00:49:19] We're good at that. We always do that every single spoiler show

[00:49:22] We tell you halfway through the show to go watch it and come back. Maybe we told you eventually

[00:49:27] My wife said that I had to mention this. Hmm. So here it is

[00:49:33] Why did they have to kill gambit

[00:49:36] Because it was beautiful it was beautiful. Yeah, it was fucking tragic. That's the thing. Okay, look

[00:49:44] so in the original series back in 92

[00:49:48] They brought in morphe and a lot of people think morphe is a brand new character morphe is actually not a brand new character morphe

[00:49:53] Uh was uh changeling back in the 60s

[00:49:57] and he was like a one-off character that showed up for an issue as a bad guy and that was it and then

[00:50:02] Uh professor x suddenly died and we're like no

[00:50:05] but what happened is is that

[00:50:07] Morphe's character had made an agreement with professor x to help him out because professor x had to go into hiding to

[00:50:12] Take care of something so out in public

[00:50:15] He was the professor as far as the x-men are concerned the only one who knew the truth was gene gray

[00:50:20] But then uh, he got killed as professor x and they buried him

[00:50:24] So he was basically the first x-men to die and he died as somebody else. They buried him as professor

[00:50:30] That's crazy

[00:50:31] And then a few issues later. They're like, oh by the way, charles is alive blah blah blah and they never mentioned him again

[00:50:35] Even recently in the comics, uh, they had this whole thing where the x-men could bring people back to life

[00:50:40] And yeah, don't bring back the first guy that died. They don't bring him back. He died and no one remembered him

[00:50:46] It's horrible. Um, but in the in the show

[00:50:49] They wanted to say that x-men was

[00:50:53] Different from other saturday morning cartoons. They wanted to say that there were real stakes

[00:50:57] So in the first episode or two, they killed off one of the x-men and obviously they can't do that with any of the name characters

[00:51:03] So they brought in a really super obscure character changed his name because of copyright reasons

[00:51:08] changeling is more so she would seem titans by this point. Um, the name changing and um, and they killed him off and it was

[00:51:14] Significant for 12 year old me to see a character in a show die in the first couple episodes and it the attention not to bring him back

[00:51:21] Although eventually they did obviously

[00:51:23] um, but

[00:51:25] But like we were just saying a second ago with robert kirkman that so often uh in the comics

[00:51:31] They will kill a character and bring them back like it doesn't matter

[00:51:35] So it's only when deaths have weight

[00:51:38] In comics that it means something. So even like i'll give you an example

[00:51:42] Johnny storm the human torch, right? Yeah, he has probably died a couple times

[00:51:47] But his most significant death

[00:51:49] Was about 10 12 years ago, right? And it was such a good death

[00:51:55] Like it was it was built up. They were so many things going on in the world

[00:52:00] It was a sacrifice for everybody and the way he died was it was just intense

[00:52:04] And yeah, they brought him back to life later, but it doesn't matter because it was so well done

[00:52:09] and

[00:52:10] I don't

[00:52:11] I don't know if they'll bring gambit back

[00:52:14] But I will say that time travel is a big part of the season

[00:52:18] This is where I was going to talk about permadeath. So

[00:52:22] Then the most recent episode

[00:52:24] Cable made it sound like and that he has kept trying to stop this attack in genosha

[00:52:30] When he can't change it

[00:52:31] Which by the way is great because it explains something that a lot of fans were like

[00:52:35] What the hell was he doing in genosha in in their old series?

[00:52:38] Because in the old series they would throw in

[00:52:40] and

[00:52:42] They would throw in cameos just for the heck of it whenever they was like a reason to throw in a cameo. Yeah, just

[00:52:47] uh, it was just

[00:52:49] For the hell of it. And so

[00:52:52] Service it was fan service. So he shows up in genosha and there's like what's the point of that and then

[00:52:59] Here

[00:53:00] It's now retroactively explained that he'd been trying to prevent the greatest tragedy of mutant kind

[00:53:07] Just he knew setinels were involved. He knew genosha was involved. So he kept going to those spots and I'm like

[00:53:13] Damn, how do you make such a silly poorly done episode from like I think season two of the first year maybe season one

[00:53:20] Yeah

[00:53:22] Make it make sense

[00:53:24] episode five is so

[00:53:27] filled with so many

[00:53:29] impactful things right? Yeah, yeah

[00:53:31] Just acting alone

[00:53:34] I have to take a breather in episode five

[00:53:37] Yeah, you need to take a moment

[00:53:39] like

[00:53:41] Gambit first of all

[00:53:44] It's just like in a span of a day

[00:53:47] Rogue confirms. Hey, I'm gonna I'm gonna marry a magneto just for

[00:53:52] politics

[00:53:52] That what politics because because she has needs

[00:53:56] She has needs and he can't touch but she can feel him, you know all these words these phrases well written

[00:54:02] and

[00:54:04] Gambit was in pain

[00:54:06] The fact that she he even told it like you don't want to put a label on this thing

[00:54:10] You asked me to do these things even though you didn't outright say it

[00:54:14] I abided I did those things for you. Yep, you know and it goes something along the lines of

[00:54:21] Like the feelings I have for you are more than just skin deep right something along those lines more than more than

[00:54:27] More than skin, right? And then we get to the origin his catchphrase

[00:54:32] The name is gambit remember it and I saw he got stabbed. I fucking said to him like

[00:54:37] Yeah, oh my god as soon as yes, it was so well done so well done

[00:54:43] um, you know what I want to I want to get to that whole scene for a second because

[00:54:48] The in the comics it is like a couple pages of of sent all destruction

[00:54:53] the only

[00:54:54] X-Men related character who's on site is Emma frost and we don't get to see her experiencing it

[00:54:59] We serve we see her right before the event and we see her being an ass in rubble

[00:55:03] But that's it. Yeah, and so here we actually get to experience it with the characters

[00:55:08] And I 100 love that we also get to see

[00:55:12] Cyclops and Jean Grey watching it on tv

[00:55:16] because

[00:55:17] That I mean that I mean literally it's an 11 hour allegory, right?

[00:55:20] but but my point is that it's

[00:55:23] I kind of wish we got jubilee's reaction as a younger person watching it

[00:55:26] I wish we had seen that we didn't get to see her till the funeral

[00:55:28] Hmm, but

[00:55:30] But it was just so so impactful and then not only that but to fight back

[00:55:35] In a way that is in one way

[00:55:37] In consequential because the damage had been done

[00:55:41] But in another way cathartic because while he died

[00:55:45] He died for the people, you know, he didn't die for rogue. He didn't die for him

[00:55:50] He died for everybody that he never met

[00:55:52] And I was like

[00:55:53] That was perfect. That was perfect

[00:55:56] I think I think it was a amazing death. Yes, it was it was 100%

[00:56:03] Yeah, I think if she had told him by the way, I chose you it would have

[00:56:08] Number one been awkward because he's like no you that's not how that works

[00:56:14] Then number two

[00:56:15] Even if he was like yay, she chose me then it would it just I'm

[00:56:19] It's tragic that he never found out

[00:56:22] But I also think it's better because it it says so much for his act

[00:56:28] You know, yeah, it's permanent

[00:56:31] what he did meant means something because

[00:56:34] Death wouldn't be impactful if it just gets reversible like when they get to crocola or whatever and those

[00:56:38] It was newer x-men books, right?

[00:56:40] What's what I'm saying? I'm saying death can be meaningful even if it's reversible

[00:56:44] Depending on how it's done

[00:56:47] How number one how the death dies how the death ends and number two

[00:56:50] How they are brought back both are important

[00:56:53] I'll give you I'll give you an example. Um, you saw Thor Ragnarok, right?

[00:56:57] So

[00:56:58] The that bald guy we gave it a four to five. Yeah

[00:57:01] That bald guy with the guns, right? They scourged the executioner

[00:57:05] He's kind of a joke character and then at the very end

[00:57:08] He's like I'll do this and he jumps out and dies and it's like that was unnecessary

[00:57:13] There's a Hulk right next door like what is even going on?

[00:57:15] There's there's like 20 gladiators that are almost Hulk right next to you, you know, I mean it was it was very it was dumb

[00:57:21] But in the comics it is one of the most impactful deaths that has been in comics and he stayed dead for 30 years

[00:57:28] And then they recently brought him back and it's just like oh, yeah, he's back. He's being a henchman again

[00:57:31] I'm like man, that's not I'm not saying you can't bring him back

[00:57:34] But that return needs to be as epic as the death and for Johnny uh storm

[00:57:39] I mentioned his death when they brought him back

[00:57:41] We found out that he was dying and being reborn every other day

[00:57:46] In the process that was bringing him back and it was a whole and when he did come back

[00:57:50] He led a revolution that freed a universe

[00:57:52] So I'm like, yeah, that's how you kill a character and bring him back and have both things mean something

[00:57:57] And I feel like with gambit. He can either stay dead

[00:58:01] Or come back, but if he comes back, it's got to mean something too

[00:58:06] This thing I think that they won't bring them back

[00:58:11] Because that death meant so much and that's what drives rogue

[00:58:16] And even cyclops to break character because I come was already on the edge man

[00:58:20] dealing with everything with the sun with the two genes

[00:58:24] And then even that fucking reporter poking and prodding at him that made him lose his shit on tv

[00:58:29] Like I can understand that

[00:58:31] So but that death

[00:58:32] Go ahead. I'm sorry. No, no continue. I want I want to I want to add something that you're done with that

[00:58:37] So

[00:58:40] This allows cyclops to break that

[00:58:43] As wolverines as a the boy scout

[00:58:45] You know, they break that character because we know he has a rage

[00:58:49] In him if you read the comic book, there's a dirt cyclops is

[00:58:52] There's what was it wasn't seeing that I remember reading where it's like he takes down his sentinels

[00:58:57] Like with this huge blasting over and goes like

[00:59:00] Now I remember why you're the leader, you know, like he is a badass and he hasn't had a chance to really be that

[00:59:07] Human being not just the mutant leader, but the human being, you know, I mean, and I really liked where they went there

[00:59:15] Gambit pushed him over the edge

[00:59:17] And we'll see where cyclops goes from here

[00:59:21] So here's my hesitancy on that, you know when you say

[00:59:26] rogue and and

[00:59:28] Cyclops breaking character. All right

[00:59:31] That's a red flag for me because when I'm reading a comic book

[00:59:35] It's an ongoing universe like if it's if it's a manga or something where there's like a set ending and beginning

[00:59:39] that's different, but when it's when it's an ongoing universe

[00:59:43] and a character

[00:59:45] Goes through a massive

[00:59:47] Unbelievable tragedy and then acts 100 out of character

[00:59:51] This tells me as a reader. This is going to be reset

[00:59:55] So when when rogue

[00:59:59] Kills a guy who deserves to die. I mean, I don't mean that like in a vengeful sense

[01:00:02] I mean like literally the longer this guy lives the worst things happen, you know period

[01:00:06] Um, it's like it's the whole Batman argument. Yeah, Trask. Um, and then

[01:00:13] I don't exact

[01:00:15] In the comics Hawkeye in the Avengers is always that character of like no we could never stop doing that

[01:00:19] We always have to be good, but like

[01:00:22] Cyclops even though he's not opposed to an enemy dying

[01:00:27] He never wants it to be

[01:00:29] Like purposeful in this sense if that makes sense. So the fact that he said nothing

[01:00:35] And then we get Magneto who in the comics and in the movies

[01:00:39] Eventually becomes uh one of the most stalwart defenders of the X-Men

[01:00:44] Yeah, and uh, and he was headed that direction in a very good

[01:00:49] intensive way

[01:00:51] And then when you kill genosha and him in the middle of it and then and then the whole bit with bastion torturing him

[01:00:58] everything about that is

[01:01:00] telling me

[01:01:01] That well, they're either going to turn Magneto into the villain that everybody has to fight

[01:01:07] Or we're gonna get a reset

[01:01:10] And I don't want a reset

[01:01:14] But I feel like it's coming

[01:01:17] A reset would

[01:01:19] Sullen this episode it would it would really kind of go oh man really

[01:01:23] Again, it will make me hesitate to keep watching again. It depends on how you know like um, I use uh

[01:01:30] Infinity war if it's a fucking dream

[01:01:32] No, no, no, I'm gonna use infinity war as an example. All right. So in the movie infinity war and in game

[01:01:38] Uh all the half the universe dies

[01:01:41] And the heroes go fight back but at the end of in game

[01:01:44] Everyone in the universe still remembers that horror, you know

[01:01:47] Yeah, they came back but that doesn't change the trauma that happened right when the comics

[01:01:53] They fixed it and only the heroes were cursed with that memory

[01:01:58] And

[01:01:59] To me that could still be impactful

[01:02:02] You know that kind of a thing can still be something if you found a way to bring back

[01:02:06] You know leech and the little kids in genosha

[01:02:10] Yeah, but the x-men remember everything they had to go through

[01:02:14] That can still be that's their cross to bear. Maybe they get accepted by the people but

[01:02:19] In fixing it that part goes away, you know

[01:02:23] Okay, so if we have a reset

[01:02:26] By the way for the record, this is all just in my head. I have no idea what could happen

[01:02:30] I mean you're kevin garcia.com at tick tock and instagram

[01:02:34] Somebody just tagged me in a video and said dr kevin garcia.com and i'm like dang. I just got

[01:02:40] Kevin

[01:02:41] You know men's summers here

[01:02:44] My friends keep telling me to just finish my because I already have a master's they help me go back get the doctor

[01:02:48] I don't it's I don't want to go back. That's too much work

[01:02:50] But back to x-men and

[01:02:53] So we're getting close to the end of the season here

[01:02:56] Our next episode will be the final one

[01:02:58] well, I want to ask you

[01:03:00] so

[01:03:01] So I just did a video on tick tock talking about what they called oz t in the episode were trashed eyes, right

[01:03:07] operation zero tolerance and

[01:03:10] Going back to reread that storyline. I was fascinated by

[01:03:14] Something because I remember reading it as a kid when it first came out, right?

[01:03:16] and in the storyline this guy bastion shows up and he

[01:03:20] Just immediately just sweet talks all the politicians and military people and everybody

[01:03:25] Into giving him the power to essentially create death squads to go after mutants, right?

[01:03:31] And then he sells this to the general public

[01:03:33] He flat out tells the public by the way

[01:03:35] We have a thing called operation zero tolerance and you're gonna love it and the public does love it

[01:03:40] And the reason the public loves it is I have to keep explaining people over and over again. They're like why

[01:03:44] In the marvel universe do people hate mutants and not other superheroes

[01:03:48] And what it comes down to is when somebody is a superhero even if you're an x-men doesn't matter

[01:03:52] You chose to wear a costume. You have powers. Maybe you got them in an accident

[01:03:56] Maybe you're boring them. It doesn't matter. You're a superhero

[01:03:59] The trouble with mutants is most of them aren't superheroes. They're not even super villains

[01:04:04] Anybody in your neighborhood could have the power to destroy a city if they sneeze wrong

[01:04:10] That's a scary thing for people and when bastion shows up and says hey

[01:04:15] We're going to take them all humanely and move them away

[01:04:19] Where it's not gonna hurt you anymore

[01:04:21] The general public eats it up and loves it

[01:04:24] And what's interesting about the comic series is that in the storyline of operations or tolerance to the comics

[01:04:29] The x-men have one really big win where they take out his base

[01:04:34] But they're still gonna lose the war

[01:04:36] Because he's got these prime sentinels which are basically any human being that got transformed into a robot by him now as a prime sentinel

[01:04:43] All over the world. They could they can just take out any mutant anytime

[01:04:47] Even though they got that one big win, they're still losing

[01:04:50] And what's crazy to me is how that story ends

[01:04:53] After like 20 issues of build-up it ends in one page

[01:04:58] Because literally he's about to call down all of his troops to destroy the last remaining x-men

[01:05:03] When suddenly shield shows up and says yeah, the president told you to stand down

[01:05:07] We removed your we removed your your authority and he goes, okay

[01:05:12] Sentinels stand down and you're like why did that happen?

[01:05:15] Well because throughout the story

[01:05:17] We get things like senator kelly who had long been an enemy of mutants, but had grown to trust and respect the x-men

[01:05:24] You know fighting

[01:05:26] Politically to make sure this doesn't happen

[01:05:28] And then you have j jona jamison who is famous for attacking one particular superhero

[01:05:33] True

[01:05:34] You can't just go after innocent people because they have powers

[01:05:37] And using everything in his media empire because remember he's not just an editor. He's a publisher of an entire media empire

[01:05:44] to

[01:05:45] point out everything that operation zero tolerance is doing against

[01:05:50] humankind

[01:05:52] you know and

[01:05:54] it's

[01:05:55] What what I call that is allyship

[01:05:58] Where you have humans that are literally risking their jobs

[01:06:02] to help out

[01:06:04] A minority class that is put down

[01:06:07] They're the ones that save the day and they didn't even get a lot of like screen time in the comic

[01:06:11] It was just that now we don't get that in the show in the show

[01:06:15] You know magneto escapes bastion or not escapes is freed and then just literally

[01:06:20] single-handedly shuts every single machine in the world down because he's freaking magneto, but like

[01:06:25] I I like that concept even though it wasn't really emphasized a lot in the comic book

[01:06:29] It's still technically there that it was allyship that that actually like true allyship not just like val cooper in the comics

[01:06:37] Claims to be an ally

[01:06:39] But she's

[01:06:40] Always since day one been working with the people who want to destroy mutants and her argument is well

[01:06:45] No, it's because i'm trying to keep them under control and i'm trying to make sure that it doesn't go too far

[01:06:51] but

[01:06:52] Other people were saying no, even if it means i lose my job. I'm going to try to stop these people

[01:06:58] And what's interesting is they went the opposite direction in the show in the show

[01:07:01] Valerie cooper is the one who ends up

[01:07:04] Risking everything her life to help the mutants as opposed to being the

[01:07:09] Quote ally, you know only in the comic and uh and trish trible

[01:07:14] You know you're saying that that horrible reporter in the comics

[01:07:17] She really is beast girlfriend

[01:07:18] And they were together for a good long time and i was actually looking forward to that and he's not getting

[01:07:24] I like that beast holder off. Yeah, and then yeah, and now she's not there anymore

[01:07:29] so

[01:07:31] so

[01:07:33] My question is they're not going to do the whole allyship thing, you know, that's not something they're gonna do in the show

[01:07:37] what

[01:07:39] What do you think that's going to happen next and what do you where do you think they'll go in the already guaranteed season

[01:07:45] 98 i guess three

[01:07:46] Well, what's the other two and three?

[01:07:48] It's good. Yeah, right, but i mean i don't feel like they're gonna call it 97 season two

[01:07:51] I feel like they're gonna call it x-men 98 probably

[01:07:54] Because they keep referencing specific years they keep saying you've been doing this since 92 and like they're literally having them age

[01:07:59] Year by year so that's pretty interesting

[01:08:03] I think that

[01:08:05] Xavier is gonna

[01:08:09] Come back with the force

[01:08:10] I don't think we're gonna see am i crazy kevin

[01:08:13] This isn't and this is a topic for another show

[01:08:16] Would we ever see onslaught we see the the the the Xavier magneto like

[01:08:23] I feel like we like

[01:08:25] Like that that onslaught character coming back to saying like i've

[01:08:30] I've done my my peaceful job now. I'm gonna be the war, you know, like what?

[01:08:34] Xavier is gonna flip and that is an argument against my whole reset button

[01:08:40] Because my reset button part of that is magneto's journey

[01:08:44] And if this makes magneto snap as it looks like it will and he will go too far

[01:08:52] And Xavier has to shut him down

[01:08:55] Well, that that leads to onslaught. That's how that works

[01:09:00] I'm down. I you got me sold

[01:09:02] um

[01:09:04] There are there are two story lines

[01:09:06] That that I want to see in the next season or the one after

[01:09:11] Uh, one is

[01:09:13] I want a proper age of apocalypse that lasts at least an apocalypse at least two episodes

[01:09:18] Don't want just one episode of it. I want two or three episodes of this

[01:09:22] Um, and the other one and this is the one I really want

[01:09:26] Is we finally have confirmation in the show that cable is cyclops's kid, right?

[01:09:31] Yes

[01:09:32] Yes, and one thing that's fascinating to me about cable of the series that is not true of cable in the comics

[01:09:37] Is that cable of the series 100 views madeline prior as his mom

[01:09:43] Whereas in the series he in the comics. He's just like

[01:09:47] Oh, you know, there's that villain madeline prior again, even though she is technically his birth mother

[01:09:52] um, so I think that's fascinating but

[01:09:55] And the people complain about cyclops not being a great dad and he's better in the show than in the comics

[01:09:59] Yeah, but there's one storyline. I want so bad

[01:10:02] Which is it's called the adventures of cyclops and phoenix

[01:10:06] and

[01:10:07] Cyclops and phoenix

[01:10:09] Go on vacation they finally get away from the x-match for like a week

[01:10:13] But while they're gone their minds get pulled out of their bodies and put into brand new bodies

[01:10:19] Centuries in the future

[01:10:21] And when they get there baby nathan has just arrived

[01:10:25] Oh

[01:10:26] And they raise fucking cool. They raised him from birth almost

[01:10:31] To well age two I guess almost more or less to age 15

[01:10:36] and then they have to leave

[01:10:37] And uh, it's it's a it's a massive journey. It's a beautiful story. It's one of my favorite comics

[01:10:43] The artist jean ha I talked to him several times about how his work there gave me a new way of looking at the future

[01:10:49] Because he completely did stuff that I'd never seen in other comics about the future

[01:10:53] And um, it's such a good story. And then what I love about it is after that story is over

[01:10:58] By the way for everybody in the present they were only gone for a couple days

[01:11:01] But for them they were gone 15 years, you know

[01:11:04] and when they come back

[01:11:06] Cyclops goes to go talk to cable and he's like hey, um

[01:11:10] There's something you need to know

[01:11:12] And cable's like yeah, no, I knew you were my adopted dad. I just been waiting for you to find out

[01:11:17] And I'm like damn

[01:11:19] I love this

[01:11:20] It's so beautiful

[01:11:22] I think that'd be great

[01:11:23] Which in my head I was thinking on spot, right? That was my main thing like all of we go into on start that'd be dope

[01:11:29] um, but also

[01:11:31] Why wouldn't we peak are we too far?

[01:11:34] removed in 98

[01:11:37] to crocola

[01:11:38] Well, I would say yes except we already got um genosha with a sentinel which is from 2004 I think

[01:11:45] So they really yeah, then I I honestly thought they were going to limit themselves to stuff that appeared before 97

[01:11:51] In fact, my friend of mine is disappointed. He's like as much as I love the show

[01:11:56] I wanted that artificial boundary

[01:11:59] He wanted that illusion that it stopped in 97, you know

[01:12:03] Because that can lead into talking about the phoenix like

[01:12:06] The hellfire gala right? Oh, yeah, 100 we're gonna get something like the hellfire gala next season

[01:12:13] Yeah, that would be amazing. They may not call it the hellfire gala. Maybe they'll call it something else

[01:12:17] But we kind of got it this season

[01:12:19] But you know with the genosha, you know, yeah genosha

[01:12:23] They didn't they didn't go all out. They could have gone all out with the with the costumes and storm wasn't there storm always

[01:12:28] She's all shows out to use the phrase of the kids these days. She eats

[01:12:32] You know, but um, but the thing is her. Yeah, she is her

[01:12:36] But but yeah, so so I want I actually hadn't thought about onslaught to you said it

[01:12:40] But now I do want onslaught um, especially onslaught man

[01:12:43] Over like that would fit because of a needle

[01:12:47] Pushing just breaking and then Xavier instead of onslaught leading into heroes reborn

[01:12:54] I would have onslaught lead into age of apocalypse

[01:12:57] Yeah

[01:12:58] By the way, we've fallen into fanfiction here man. We've fallen into fan fiction

[01:13:02] But but stuff we'd love to see me too

[01:13:06] Rain in those expectations

[01:13:08] We'll watch the last episode. I'm sure we'll mention on the next one

[01:13:12] But I want to thank mr. Kevin Garcia as always

[01:13:15] for being that fountain of

[01:13:17] Knowledge when it comes to marvel and especially the X-men

[01:13:20] But Primoz especially you all for hanging in there with us. I know we haven't been consistent as usual

[01:13:25] but hey heaven earth took seven heaven and earth took seven days and uh, you know, it takes a while to get things done

[01:13:32] and

[01:13:33] Honestly just like it's in the way sometimes, but we still enjoy doing this

[01:13:36] We still have a great time chatting with you on all the social media

[01:13:41] Those of you that have reached out to me to be on the show

[01:13:44] We will make it happen

[01:13:46] I can guarantee that

[01:13:47] We just got to get the counters all in sync. I know uh breaks are coming up here for the summer

[01:13:52] So I'll make things easier for everybody. Oh, yeah, I'll be before we leave Kevin. Is there anything you want to

[01:13:57] Promote anything you want to bring up before we end the show tonight? Yeah coming up. I just did staple interactive

[01:14:03] Staple it's our interactive stable independent media expo which which is something that had not happened since prior to

[01:14:09] Uh the the pandemic and oh man, it was always always the best. I every time it's basically a comic con

[01:14:15] That is just artist alley

[01:14:18] And oh the best artists ever

[01:14:21] I want something from every table, but I can't afford it. Oh, so good. We have to meet somebody good artist

[01:14:27] um, so I did that a few weeks ago, but coming up

[01:14:29] I'll be at comic palooza

[01:14:31] And uh, which is in houston. It's it's the biggest uh comic con in houston

[01:14:35] I think and I've been doing that every year for several years now

[01:14:38] I'll be doing a talk about the hero's journey and how that's

[01:14:41] Not something that should be used for writing movies even though it is

[01:14:45] I'll be doing some panels with fellow creators both indie creators and and bipod creators

[01:14:50] Uh, and I'm looking forward to that but and that's that's may 24 through 26

[01:14:54] but

[01:14:56] In the middle of that

[01:14:57] um, I am going to be part of a a comics for the cure

[01:15:02] A you know a streaming event with other comic book tick tockers and youtubers

[01:15:07] Who are

[01:15:08] You know trying to raise money to to help, you know

[01:15:12] Take it to help right and just maybe not to the same level as ellie's dedication. I understand

[01:15:20] But there's going to be a bunch of us there

[01:15:22] And if you want to know more about it check out. I mentioned him earlier comic drake

[01:15:27] Comic drake on youtube. He's going to be talking about it. He's going to talk about it in social media

[01:15:31] And is definitely something that i'm looking forward to uh, the one downside though is that the streaming event is going to involve

[01:15:39] fortnight

[01:15:40] I've only played that once and it went very badly. You may need to call ellie for help

[01:15:45] Yeah, yeah

[01:15:47] Definitely pretty much well

[01:15:49] I want to take the time here to thank everybody of course for checking in with us

[01:15:52] Just share the show

[01:15:54] And I ask to everybody everybody everybody look over and look after each other check in with those that you haven't checked

[01:15:59] Then within a while, you know think about it when that person comes to mind just reach out to them nowadays

[01:16:04] It's that simple because you never know what somebody is going through

[01:16:08] And I know primos we're all about community here on the creative side

[01:16:11] But also love and care for one another

[01:16:14] and primos as always

[01:16:16] No matter where you're from

[01:16:18] We're all primos

[01:16:19] And you know what?

[01:16:22] If you feel like it's really bad

[01:16:25] Don't fall into being a rogue

[01:16:27] Be a morphe

[01:16:35] All right, hold the straight face kevin didn't do it. All right. Bye primos

[01:16:39] Adios