S7 EP13: Nawalli: the next level

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[00:01:09] Mr. Spice Illustrations is out right now. They're taking some rest days, but we of course have some guests this week Mr. Kevin Garcia who is joining us today?

[00:01:17] Well, we are missing our regular artists and we had another artist last week as well and we have another actually multiple artists this week So joining us once again Gonzalo Alvarez and Grace Shadwick amazing amazing artists from out in East, Texas and

[00:01:34] Their co-conspirator will Rogers because although grace you want to introduce yourselves and talk a little bit about who you guys are Yeah. Hey everyone. My name is Gonzalo Alvarez I am a Chicano artist from poor doctor, Texas and I've been creating

[00:01:49] Pretty much Aztec fantasy for a few years now I've been working on a graphic novel called boy, oh man, which premiered at Texas Latino Comic-Con and it's been in development since and should be out soon as it's done this year and

[00:02:06] I also helped create the new Wally asset card game, which we'll be talking about today And I just love to do things that relate with asset culture because I'm obsessed with All of this neat stuff that I can't wait to share with you

[00:02:24] You know, it's funny you say that and I have behind me the Aztec in a Sunstone So I don't know at all what you're talking about. Oh, yeah. No, it's uh, it's a stone and it represents the Sun

[00:02:37] No, no, I meant like I don't know anything about asset culture. I don't ever think about Grace what about about your art? I actually was just showing somebody a cactus woman I bought from you recently that I could not walk away from the table without

[00:02:51] How would we describe the kind of art you do? I like to do fantasy paintings usually portraits of Like spirit women who are part plant I think that's good heart elemental elemental spirit women. Yeah. Yeah

[00:03:12] Yeah, I purchased a print to attending above my fireplace it's I think it was a woman with her face was like I don't want to say it in a like a gava plant or something like this. Like it was it was

[00:03:24] Yeah, the quarter step looking one. Oh, it was that one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah nice Yeah, my wife loved it. She puts above the fireplace is there she put on her plants around it They're just it's the motif. So yeah, she really loves your work. We're fans of it

[00:03:38] I like the idea of a plant woman being framed by plants. She must feel very at home, right? Yes, right Now whenever anybody buys one of your pieces, yes, I just find something that says Right to sign some this is there to do in the plants

[00:03:56] Yeah, if you don't grace will find you or she's gonna send kukui after you. Yeah, right Right. We and cook we but who is with the city who who is Will Rogers? What is this this this?

[00:04:10] Elegant man here with his well sculpted beard as all be like he loves to be outdoors Apparently, right? It's already gave us a hint with with Noelle Will what is it you do with Noelle and how do you know these two crazy kids? Well, I met Gonzalo

[00:04:28] At Lamar right after I graduated I went back there for something and I was our department and was introduced to him Lamar University Okay, where we went to college. Yep

[00:04:38] and so I met him there and then we started hanging out and we just been friends since then and would hang out periodically and he'd show me his work and in 2022 early 2022 he made the prototype for

[00:04:54] No Wally like a few cards with some stats and things on it that were handwritten on pieces of paper We put them into card sleeves and he brought it over and I tested out at my house. I said this is really cool

[00:05:05] It's got a lot of potential. He asked if I'd like to work on it. I said absolutely So I've been working with him since then to develop the game and developed all the rules together with grace helping tests a lot as well and

[00:05:21] Then you know, I've been working on the actual production of the game too so game design balancing the game and then actually working with the manufacturers to produce the game as well as the business side of

[00:05:35] Studio Tickwani's making sure that we can actually run it and be successful in that And we well we've been hinting about a little bit what is no Wally The Wally is the Aztec card game everyone has been waiting for

[00:05:52] It's a card game where you become an awali sorcerer which is a shape-shifting sorcerer from Aztec culture and you summon creatures and Spirits and monsters into an arena to battle against your opponents

[00:06:07] You can equip them with different weapons and they all have different abilities based on the Aztec Day signs which are kind of like the horoscopes and it's just basically our attempt at making a card game that is balanced accessible and premieres Aztec

[00:06:26] Creatures and spirits that do not get as much representation in pop culture as they should I Love this concept. Like I said, I've been I One of my many obsessions is Mesoamerica and the various cultures throughout not just Aztecs and the various Maya groups

[00:06:44] But but you know all the all the groups that make up those groups are obviously You know, you know that you and I have had this conversation before people here is say Aztec Obviously we are primarily talking about the Mexica

[00:06:54] We're talking about the the triple alliance all those things but we use the term Aztec because that is what is in pop culture Is what even you know historians use? But the idea of making this more accessible making it more

[00:07:08] You know in front of front of the people I guess is is what appeals to me and they didn't make it a card Game which something so many of my high school students are playing by the way the previous version of the wali

[00:07:19] I have had my students play I mean we'd have like free hour or whatever during the week and I'll be like Hey, by the way friend of mine designed this and they got into it. They really really did. Oh I tried really hard to get pictures of it

[00:07:32] but that's how I got the camera out there like we were done playing now and I'm like But but but like last week you guys Mike you played it too and we played it here at home and we really enjoy it and because me my son

[00:07:43] We played magic. We played a lot of TCG games you kill it etc And we'll poke around and he even What's it called? He plays blocks cards roblox cards games, you know Like that he he's into that and they'll design their own cards as well

[00:07:57] They do their own thing, but like he always told me we play this game. He goes this game's fun It's quick and it's easy to pick up and he goes yeah

[00:08:05] It's fun and quick and easy so we can play a one or two games without burning, you know half the afternoon He's like Kevin's kids. My son's 14. He plays couple round these. All right, cool. I'm done

[00:08:16] I'm taking off which is fine. That's what kids do. They're not gonna sit in my six hours Tell games work. So this is very pick up and go and it's not too

[00:08:26] How can I say because I play magic and I love the game. I'm all about the geeky rule and the stack and I mean I'm all about getting in the weeds with this stuff, right, but you tend to lose something because of all that and

[00:08:39] The Wally kind of did away with just over complicating things and it has enough depth in Depth with the simplicity of it that even if you're a veteran TCG player You can pick this up and really find unique ways to win and really ways to advance the board

[00:08:55] So I can appreciate that as somebody that does follow and play these games a lot. So it's a great game, but You are launching have launched is recording this a new Kickstarter

[00:09:05] What is this Kickstarter going to do to the game or bring this game bring into the game that the people that are already Invested or are curious about investing would benefit from it. Oh, yeah So we have spent the last year

[00:09:19] This was our first published game and so we spent the last year taking all of the feedback from every single person reviewers players etc and Improving every aspect that we could where people felt there was some friction or that we just in hindsight

[00:09:36] Wanted to improve and so some of those changes include Updating the stats of some of our cards exactly 20 The stats we follow a formula that will Rogers the brain and math wizard came up with

[00:09:53] To make sure that our cards are balanced and we changed some stat bricks in order to make those cards more viable We made all the symbols on the cards colored. So right now they're black and white in the first edition Every single symbol in the version is colored

[00:10:09] And they're different colors Yeah, so the Jaguar symbol is colored the rain symbols colored So it just brings the cards more to life and they're easier to spot so that way on the reference card You can quickly find what this ability

[00:10:28] Thing you know that there was 20 abilities but they kind of look similar because they're all in black and white well now They're colored. It'll be easier to find we've also added a new spell card We've added We changed a spell card that was broken

[00:10:45] To a different ability and I'll let will if you guys to mine continue some of the other points I was gonna ask you will is this true. Are you actually the brains?

[00:10:57] Gonzalo is very good at game design as well, and it's it's not all just me, but I will say that When it comes to like the fine details of tuning you kind of have to make a spreadsheet and make graphs and

[00:11:11] All of that and that was something that I had the skill set to dive into to get that last 20% 10% of balance like right where it needed to be because we did a lot of it with intuition when we were developing it just

[00:11:23] Through play testing just playing over and over and adjusting the stats and then that gave us a feel for where things should generally Be and it wasn't until we put it into the spreadsheet that we could actually see

[00:11:33] Where there was dips or peaks in the curves that shouldn't have been there and we can kind of even out the power Curve of the card are there any updates or examples within the new rules that you sent us that we can kind of point to for that

[00:11:46] So in particular it'll be on the Kickstarter once this goes live. You can see like the hurricane creature For example, we we change his stats From an attacker to a all-rounder And so we have these three stat types that the creatures can have attacker defender all-rounder

[00:12:06] And the main updates we did to the cards were just shifting those stat bricks around but You pull up a card you can see an example of like how we do the stat brick

[00:12:15] So basically each card has a certain number of life equivalent points that it can be assigned and that's the common denominator Between all cards we can kind of reduce anything that's on the card to its value in life points essentially

[00:12:28] and so that allowed us to tune the power level of the car based on the energy levels and That also allows us to avoid having cards that are way too strong like in magic you would have to buy a bunch of booster packs

[00:12:39] You're trying to find the car. Yeah, you the most value for the amount of Mana that it's going to cost right and some of those words for the same mana costs are just drastically better

[00:12:50] Than another card a one cost that does one thing and then a one cost that has three different abilities and crazy stats And stuff so like the power creepers got out of control in magic and we wanted to design the game from the ground up with a

[00:13:03] Fixed set of stat blocks and point distributions. So when we do expansions They'll all fit within that scheme instead of just having more and more and more powerful cards That you have to buy booster packs for or something what you mentioned a magic

[00:13:17] Magic would have like new cards come out, but you can still use a lot of the old cards But then they'd say certain cards were no longer considered valid anymore

[00:13:24] Is this an entirely new addition or is it one where you can still use some of the older cards? All the cards are still gonna be good because we didn't actually change the stat bricks

[00:13:34] We just readjusted some cards to have different stat bricks that fit better with their abilities So the original that distribution and points were all still fine in this one So all the old cards are still fully usable and you might even prefer some of them for certain situations

[00:13:49] Depending what strategy you're going for with your deck. So welcome right as yours like as you were scrolling through the rule book it I forgot to mention Entirely new rule book the rule book has been completely updated as you can see there's graphs to show you exactly

[00:14:06] How each ability acts so we have visuals and diagrams for pretty much every step in The game the rule book has almost doubled in size because of adding all these pictures so that it's easier to learn Right and the most important thing is the adventure mode

[00:14:27] We actually created an adventure mode which you can see if you move just a few more It's a single player or co-op experience. You can actually play this by yourself You basically choose your thing no walls and your starter spells and you are gonna go through a

[00:14:47] consecutive five battles and after each battle You are going to be able to recruit no walls and spells into your deck to build it until you get to the final boss But what's interesting is the way this works is we have three lines

[00:15:03] so if you go down on the rule book, you'll be able to see that there's three lanes and They basically move forward and you have to decide almost like a puzzle. Okay, they're gonna come forward I should put a card here

[00:15:17] I should prepare there you can win by either defeating all of the cards coming forward or By taking all the finale points and so again, this is a single player or co-op experience. So That's something that I'm really excited to share with the world this time

[00:15:36] I know when I played it with you I enjoyed it as a two-player but I always said that that you know I'm always looking for like those party games. Is there like a four-player option? I see it's it's on here now

[00:15:44] Four-player option. Yes. I also I love the idea of a one player like to play solitaire and again, it's two things It's enjoying a game that you can play but it's also Learning about The cultural history, you know, which I think is great, right? Right?

[00:16:00] So yeah, that was our goal was we wanted to provide as many ways to use your box set as possible so again, you can play with up to four players free for all and It's not like one person gets knocked out until one is standing

[00:16:15] Everyone's in the game until someone wins and then we have the adventure mode for people like Kevin who wants to play with their friend against the board And so yeah Like we're just trying to provide a complete package that we feel is competitive

[00:16:30] To games like Magic the Gathering or other games that solely focus on that competitive one-v-one aspect And then you know buying a bunch of cards and collectible cards to be able to you know, essentially compete Which is something we are making sure we don't do is

[00:16:48] You know, we make every card accessible and available Right. So we're not gonna have random booster packs with like one powerful card out of 12 We're gonna sell expansion decks when we're ready for that and every card is going to be easily viable and not ridiculously expensive

[00:17:04] Accessibility was a really important aspect of the design philosophy for this Mm-hmm. You know, I can agree that I mean I I just as someone that consumes and Burns a lot of their savings on you know buying singles on TCG player

[00:17:20] Yeah, it comes down to that, you know Like the the aftermarket sales suck because scalpers anything else with any type of collectible game It doesn't limit the fact that my 14 year old right now is planning to play magic this weekend

[00:17:33] And we're working with the pool of cards that I've collected over time so they can play but oh, hey my friend bought this Precon that has these stuffs in it, you know that have these really high-end cards

[00:17:44] Um, there's always that fear of not being being blown out of the table, right because they just don't have the same Right access to cards, you know, and so you're defeating that all together

[00:17:55] There's never gonna be a situation at least that we can see from what you're saying Where someone's gonna be laughed out of the table because their deck isn't up to par

[00:18:03] I mean potentially you'll have like a rare card, but it won't be a rare card that causes a game-breaking situation It's just right. Oh, it was exclusive an event. That's all there is Well in those cards are not gonna be in the tournaments

[00:18:15] We're gonna use for the tournaments just cards that are commercially available To buy as part of the base set or part of an expansion Those promo cards that we've done in the past they are gonna be rare

[00:18:27] But it's more of just a concept for future expansion cards that we're going to release later So people can support us by getting those promo cards from various sources early

[00:18:36] To get kind of a sneak peek and some some cards early from the stuff. We're gonna release later on Yeah, but again, even those promo cards aren't going to buy themselves change the game So it's not like there's an exclusive That's what I'm getting at

[00:18:49] Yeah, it's the same as everything else and also because it's a drafting game, right? It goes into the pool of cards you may not see it if you're dealing out random cards to draft from like we do in the game and

[00:19:01] You can always like pick that before somebody else right or they pick that and you pick another card That's equally good in a different way Or you can see what all of these has and then pick something that counters it, right?

[00:19:13] Right all of the the cards like like he was saying wheel for example, the Kickstarter exclusive card Is done a few which we posted today on our social media that card will be available for purchase But it just won't be holographic

[00:19:29] yeah, that's the only difference between you getting a special promo and And not having it is that when you can buy it later on it just won't be holographic And that's where my the collectible aspect can still exist is that you can be the person to

[00:19:46] Collect the gold versions of all the cards that you want to get so like, you know Someone may have the same exact card but yours may be holographic because you got it You know as a promo and and that may have value

[00:20:01] You know for you and maybe even in the aftermarket But again, it's not like because this card is better or not assessor so So just said to ask you, you know Gonzalo and of course well

[00:20:14] You're chiming in here and Kevin's doing a little bit of research in the background for us, but Regarding the new Kickstarter, but I want to just ask since I am one that will sit there and draft You know draft for those who don't know it's been much

[00:20:28] You are all sharing a pool of cards amongst the table Which you all take turns pulling cards and building a Specific, you know set number deck right and you battle each other on that so with that

[00:20:39] But there are still those people like myself and even I want that one card, you know I want that one trump card. I want that one, you know sweeper card that I'm gonna find for and

[00:20:52] Is it just the old-school gamer that kind of goes? Hey, I I really want the You know, I want the the ultra card or whatever that just kind of keeping me from change from just jumping in both feet

[00:21:06] Oh, is that never gonna be an option for somebody like me maybe Interesting so like you say with this back your deck just by spending more money, right? But like if you get lucky in the draft

[00:21:17] You can certainly pick certain cards that are going to be really really strong that maybe your opponent says oh no I can't believe he got that and the draft can go a certain way where you just get completely

[00:21:26] Stacked and you and you can win through superior drafting right? Right and bill based thing instead of a money a wallet that's based there we go. Yeah, that's what I'm saying You can't you can't buy you. What is it pay to win?

[00:21:38] You know, it's not that kind of game that is the number one We're just basically from the ground up saying no pay to win. That's just not a part of the game system There's pay to collect, you know, like I said you can have all the holographic cards

[00:21:54] You know because you've been collecting them You know, I run promos on my patreon every month I release a new holographic version and those will again be available later on but they won't be holographic

[00:22:07] And so that one of those guys I'll buy I'll buy the the variant talking about magic again I'll buy the variant art just because it's an a card that cost a nickel

[00:22:15] But because I love that art or I love that artist or that card means something to me I'll pay the extra dollar to just to get that version of it

[00:22:24] But game breaking is just that artist did something with it that I really enjoyed or a variant of it So they kind of kidders to the artists the artist collector in you and then of course the gamer like you said

[00:22:34] Well, you can't pay to win. It's a draft game. That's the that's the build and Draft on its own. It's fun. It's exciting. It always mixes it up. You're never gonna have the same day twice We do have custom as part of an official mode and in tournaments

[00:22:53] We may and will have custom Decks so like essentially you can just choose what eight cards you want in your know-all deck and what eight cards you?

[00:23:03] Want at your spell deck and what guardian you want and that's gonna be where the meta game really comes to life because We've decided that there's no limit

[00:23:14] There's no arbitrary limit anymore of you can only have two of a copy or four of a copy in a deck Right like that's a limited magic. You can only have up to four of one card in this case you just choose all the cards you want and

[00:23:30] Within that limit and see if you can win and that's You know again another way to play it is you could just custom choose it So you'll be able to buy a full set of cards as part of the upgrade pack

[00:23:42] Which is good for people that bought the first edition of the game as well but I'll have the updated rulebook some extra mats in case your old ones are getting worn and Yeah, the full set of cards

[00:23:52] So if you really want to get into constructed for the cost of one JACE the mind sculptor You could have you know ten set of Noali cards. Yeah You know, I want to ask you about that about a different kind of meta

[00:24:06] I guess, you know, you've been comparing it to magic another one that I think of a lot of my students play is yugioh And of course that one got big 20 years ago because of the anime Yes, what is the meta narrative of this story?

[00:24:19] What if we had you know a in a perfect world an anime with your art style of? What is the story behind the game? What are people playing? Are they? You are a Noali sorcerer and you have just joined the

[00:24:37] Calmecac where all the Noali's are being taught all the Noali arts and you guys are sent out to find out what's going on in the hills where supposedly no walls are attacking people and

[00:24:52] Oppositely, there's also, you know evil sorcerers called clakate color these clakate color are essentially rogue Noali's who use their powers for evil and so the Noali's go out to defeat these evil sorcerers using

[00:25:07] Their magic for bad and so in the Noali show we would be following some characters Going to investigate what creature is causing this problem in the city and then find the mystery and then it turns out

[00:25:22] Maybe it's quick lapar tone who's stealing any kid who goes pee in the bush or it's your what the post lead Who sounds like a wood, you know? Axe hitting the wood at night and you know all the woodsmen are going missing

[00:25:37] So that's what I imagine the Noali show would be and that is definitely a goal for us is To get to the point where Noali isn't just a card game, but it's it's everything It's it's built from the ground up to be a story

[00:25:52] video game a card game Everything possible that Pokemon has done right but now with the culture that I feel should be out there like Basically, basically this yet. You got your Noali masters essentially fighting against each other on a mat I I want this anime to happen, right?

[00:26:11] they need they meet at the court every every day at 6 to to battle it out and Just to you know train with each other. No one gets hurt This is an illusion, but when they go out into the real world, that's when they're in the shadow realm

[00:26:26] You know like I like the I mean I attribute it to that because that's what was the thing right? That's the biggest like Kevin said Yu-Gi-Oh, right? Like we watch these two shows or read these manga where we kind of get connected to the storyline and the characters

[00:26:39] Hey, that's the that's a dark magician. I want that card, you know, and that came that collector thing, right and I the story behind the Wally and the fact that if it ever does develop into something like that can only just

[00:26:54] Elevate the hype behind it, you know, cuz yeah my kid and my kids a good demographic. He's 13 14 years old he likes card games cuz I forced it down his throat but Yeah, I mean but he ignores mine and he goes no

[00:27:09] I'm gonna play this indie stuff on the side which is fine, you know, it is magic It's just it is what it is right to the old man's game

[00:27:15] But he played in the Wally cuz he liked the art he likes playing with you guys, of course that helped and He was part of the discord for a while And then he said yeah, this is really cool. I like it

[00:27:27] You know, like this is kind of a fun pick up and go and he now he's this kind of spring him into Making his own game. He's making his own Post-it notes and his own stuff with his friends and writing mechanics and stuff and like that spurred

[00:27:40] You know from that and that's cool when you guys got to feel hopefully feel good that There are people playing this game going. Wow, this is really cool. I can do this too. You're spurring that creativity, you know

[00:27:50] Yeah, man, that's inspiring. I I wish him the best and you know, you know Salos here if he ever has any questions but yeah that that to me is probably the reason I make what I make is I Wish I had Someone out there making Aztec

[00:28:07] Mexican stuff that I could look up and be like wow, I want to do something like that one day You know, but there wasn't and so now I hope that when the Wally and pollo man

[00:28:17] Even I can sort of be like here's kind of like the Aztec world I spent a lot of time building it so it can be kind of authentic and now you can just kind of You know pull from this for your ideas without having to do Yeah

[00:28:30] The grueling research that I had to go through Can that be can that be a tier for backers that Gonzalo will always be there if they if they're on a certain tier Wow Yeah For sure. Let's make that we still have like eight hours left

[00:28:43] I mean that'll that'll be that that'll be the the $20,000 here But like good Zola will be there when you call me you need a tear called will call that will is always on call The will call tear Station There you go

[00:29:01] Help them with anything, you know, like that's awesome that he's Starting with just making those paper prototypes because that really is where it all begins. That's where we got our start

[00:29:10] We still have those paper prototypes. I've got them in a box. We're gonna do something on day show them off somewhere. Yeah, but Right, right speaking of stretch goals I want to mention we actually do have some stretch goals in our kickstarter campaign this time around

[00:29:28] The first couple of stretch goals are just another awesome card that we're just going to give to every single person who is a part Of the Kickstarter so we reach this goal. Everyone gets a card, you know

[00:29:40] It's like the Oprah and then if we reach however, I think it's a hundred thousand I will actually do the no Wally short comic I will do that thing that comic we were talking about I will do that if I can reach that as well and

[00:29:56] If we can reach five hundred thousand We will make sure that the mobile version me and will talk about all the time can actually come to life. I Guarantee you I would be playing that one all the time single-player. I mean, I'm just Animated

[00:30:14] Whenever you summon the cards, they're not caught. They're not digital cards. They're sprites They actually pop out in the arena and they're like in the idle animation And so when you send your creature to attack, I want it to you know, I want it to be 2d

[00:30:30] Beautiful and just You need you need a you need a model. Go ahead Kevin go. Yeah, you need a right model They're gonna be in the hand to be like, yeah Yeah, yeah For the

[00:30:50] See it I see it I think that you know, whenever you mentioned the the mobile version right other web I know we kind of talked about in the past with the original launch about a web client per se something that's playable online because Yes, and sometimes

[00:31:07] What oh, let me see what's Kevin doing there he said I could be the Chihuahua I'm like I'm ready for this I'm ready. I'm ready. I love it And now we would now we need one of those in the game too seriously now we do yeah

[00:31:25] Now you go major plans for some have a web client for somebody can try before you jump to mobile with sprites and Everything. Yeah, is there a version of that? We can maybe look forward to in the future

[00:31:36] Tabletop simulator is something that a lot of people have been bringing up we actually spoke about it with On a podcast earlier today and that may be sort of the first step to that mobile version is a tabletop sim And hopefully by the end of the year

[00:31:56] Exciting because that's an avenue to try it because that's how most people let me give it a shot online See if it's something that I did and they go Wow, I Love this let me jump to jump to paper the tabletop, you know

[00:32:08] I don't know that's just something and I'm glad that you're thinking about it You're looking towards it because that's where like my kid that's what he went towards

[00:32:15] You know, he grew up with paper magic, but when he played like he plays blocked cards and something now, I think Called like Lurkana Disney stuff Yeah, the Lord Cuneta like there's different stuff like that online like I could trace

[00:32:29] There's so many clients right that people do use online to develop and make stuff That's always curious as you talk about mobile which yeah, that would be awesome But I'm hoping that you know fingers crossed we get a web client. So thanks cool. That's cool

[00:32:41] Yeah, and we'll have that before for sure Like go ahead. I'm sorry. I cut you off. No. No, I was just saying I'm just waiting for that comic We need to get that to be does it? Yeah

[00:33:32] 100,000 because then that can 100,000 can then you can eat. Yeah. Yeah, and you can eat speaking of a comic so taking a little little step you mentioned boy, oh man and

[00:33:42] I'm curious to know a little bit about that you you kind of when we first met years so many years so many years ago I forget what what time that was before kovat even, you know 17 18 in there

[00:33:56] You know, we we met we talked and I bought a copy of book. I have it somewhere in here your book the original Book for boy on the shelf right there actually

[00:34:08] Yeah, and my kid loved it I even gave it to a for a while to a nephew He was just learning how to read and we gave it to him to read too

[00:34:16] You know, there it is. See grace has it and Kevin went to look for his but there it is Look at them. She can't even see it coming through There you go look buddies that's the prologue this is the and then that's chapter one Yeah

[00:34:32] which is what premiered at the Texas Latino Comic-Con and Changed everything for me. I Mean it was um, there's Kevin. See yeah, that's the book that I picked up at the no comic-con I was there when you presented the work and I mean we were

[00:34:51] Really excited to see the book really loved the love and passion behind it What can you tell us? It's been a little bit like quiet on that front Kevin keep showing off your work Thanks, man, yeah, it's uh, man it so I got picked up by publisher and

[00:35:10] As you know with a publisher you're working with editors and yeah the moment I got picked up by publisher I essentially could no longer really show what I was working on because it's for a book

[00:35:24] That's gonna be published and so that's basically the whole reason it kind of went, you know It seems silent And the reality is I've just been Rewriting this book since that inception when you saw this this was chapter one

[00:35:43] Then it was like, okay now make a full six chapter book and make it make sense And then it was like oh I Don't really know that much about writing

[00:35:53] I actually have to become a better writer and a better storyteller and so oh and that's some fan art grace did she's awesome By the way, I know exactly how you feel

[00:36:05] I wrote a children's book about luchadores a couple years ago still waiting for the publisher and see how it goes They're making progress. They told me there's progress

[00:36:13] But but I love I mean behind the scenes I've been able to see the evolution of Puyo man and his friends But I love that we can see through some fan art here by an amazing artist who also happens to be with us today

[00:36:28] That we can see some of the evolution of the characters In a nutshell to remind people what is poyo man? So poyo man is an Aztec fantasy graphic novel about a young timid Mexican boy who ends up in Aztlan the Aztec Mythical realm and there he discovers magic

[00:36:51] he discovers the Nawali and discovers that The earth and the world is dying because of these like a tecolo these evil sorcerers One of them being El Raton El Cucuy, La Llorona all of these evil spirits that we grew up with actually exist and are

[00:37:13] killing the people of Aztlan and So poyo man has to reconnect with essentially his ancestral spirits and become a hero even though he's this very Timid boy and so in this journey he ends up meeting so Chi who's this sort of like

[00:37:31] really strong-headed girl who grew up just picking flowers and selling them on the streets and then Chico a Owl Nawali whose parents want him to be a priest but he secretly wants to be a Nawali and go fight monsters And so this ragtag group of these Mexican kids

[00:37:53] Have to learn how to save the world and defeat El Raton who is this evil Beast man who's taking over the world and eating children and taking their teeth. It's like you're describing my childhood

[00:38:06] Right, right. That's exactly what it is. It's your childhood but now in vivid color And then you know you to block that Kevin Garcia underscore calm guy. He's a troll Trouble he's trouble he has trouble

[00:38:23] But I'm excited to hear that, you know, it kind of like I understand Like you said because of the publishing deal that you're not able to share fully what's going on, right? Okay, cool respect that but I'm glad that there's still

[00:38:34] Movement on it because as a fan and I was like man Whatever what happened poyo man, like I dig Nawali I dig the work that will and grace and Gonzalo are working on but like Where's that? You know and it gets quiet

[00:38:45] So when we get a little little taste of it and we see on your socials, but oh shit It's still happening so I mean I'm excited is there anything you can share on that front for us? Yes

[00:38:56] Yes, I will share I have finished writing the book. I just finished the ending Sketching it out. The entire book is penciled and lettered minus the last chapter The last chapter it needs to be penciled and lettered

[00:39:13] But I mean really I think the best person to say anything would be Will what do you think of me and grace's book that we've been working on? Yeah, I wanted to chime in because I've been watching him develop this book

[00:39:28] like basically the whole time that I've known him he's been working on the book and Like I first met him right after he did that very first chapter that you've already seen and so I've seen like all the different

[00:39:39] Evolutions of the book over time and he's been bringing it to me for feedback and ideas and I've been bouncing things off And I'll say this last six months has been the most productive period that he's had in the whole time I've known him. He has just been

[00:39:53] Leveling up over and over and over again It's like incredible just how fast that he's able to produce super high quality work and he's just down in the trenches grinding

[00:40:02] I was gonna say this is what happened when you play the Nohly card game you level up in your life as well Yeah, yeah But I do think making the Wally helped him a lot because he had to do

[00:40:19] Hundreds of character designs that were all in the same style He did tons of research to be able to develop Nohly on asset mythology and Aztec history So, you know, he had to do it to make money to survive But at the same time it's really helped him

[00:40:35] Develop his book and his art style and his skills too to where he's gonna be able to Crank this book out and make it really really good and then make future books too. So he's he's really doing good on that I knew the moment I met

[00:40:49] Gonzalo that he was going to be doing some amazing stuff because his art Then blew me away and it's evolved since then like you said, I appreciate that Yeah, so if so concrete details winter 2026 which means all right January sometime between January and March

[00:41:09] 2026 the book will be out in the store for you to grab it So and so that means next year. So the book currently I am about to finish Getting the last edit pass and I will begin inking and coloring with my colorist

[00:41:28] Grace Chadwick we will be in coloring for the rest of the year to finish the book by the end of the year And hopefully no Wally will help us be able to just Full focus on there and then next year. I think we'll be sharing a lot about

[00:41:46] The book well, I'll be able to share the cover I'll be able to share some pages like next year is gonna be just no Wally. I mean, I'm sorry put it man Yeah, I'm just thinking cuz it's like oh wait no all these tomorrow. But yeah move on

[00:41:59] I want to ask you cuz boy, oh man. No Wally have a very They think they have good crossover am I gonna see a boy, oh man no Wally card or Maybe playing cards in the background of one of the panels. Oh man. Okay you guys spoiler

[00:42:18] Okay, so so I am in I wish I could share the Can I share you know what? I'm gonna I think I can Oh Yeah, so there is a page in the book where poya man is in his room and maybe there's a Nintendo no Wally system and

[00:42:42] Wally entertainment system, I love it. Yeah, so Wally entertainment system Yeah, yeah everyone needs a new Wally 64 so I love it on top of that poya man is going to be experiencing the world of a new Wally and

[00:43:01] So the now alls in the card game are actually creatures and characters. You'll see in the book That's cool. And so there is that tiny and we want so maybe a taste of it maybe one of the cards in the deck of no Wally is already a

[00:43:18] main character in The the book maybe poya man Maybe his spirit animal is one of the birds in the no Wally card and you'll be So you'll see that character in the book and then vice versa, okay

[00:43:33] Yes, when the book is launching we do plan on having a special poya man Set of cards and and those will be fighting All chicken. That's cool. There you go. And yeah, well your addition Boy, oh you're gonna know Wally poyo edition. Oh, hey, oh prima poyo edition

[00:44:00] Yeah, we are just that's kind of been the journey it's like thankfully with will and grace I was able to work with the Wally and like he said that really helped me with poya man as well

[00:44:12] So it's just been like these two things that are so close together But have a different format like a movie versus a video game But yeah, no for sure for sure and up with no grace You mentioned she has the coloring but just of course

[00:44:26] I'm gonna bring up some of her art and Kevin wanted to highlight some of it here on the socials Because it's amazing. It's awesome. I mean we've already mentioned several times co-creator

[00:44:36] Helping you make the book grace. What has been your input in poya man? And can we talk a little bit about your art? as well Let's see, I've been working with him with poya man for how many years now? more than one Maybe maybe ten and full

[00:44:57] Seven seven seven realistically for poya man. She's been there from day one. We've been collaborating for 11 years now So Yeah, so you've been helping him refine the characters. I understand Yeah, develop some of that like for example

[00:45:16] Sajitha yes, I pushed to have I was like we don't have any girl characters. Like what are you doing? Whoa, I Need another I need a girl character. I need representation So when I'm a little kid me wants to pick this up and read this

[00:45:30] And and we had a girl character that would come out like later Like I was like I felt like I had everything figured out is like yeah She comes in in book five or something And so

[00:45:44] Yeah, she really helped me. I would say grace is an amazing storyteller and writer and she helped me character development character writing she really helped me turn my characters from just like a Drawing into like a character

[00:45:58] I can almost see in 3d with feelings and wants and needs and desires and and all of that She is just as you can see with her work. She has a very good connection with with emotion And she was just able to help me grow honestly

[00:46:15] So she I consider her a co-writer to be honest without her This book would not be as good. I get really into character backgrounds so like We'll have this one character who's in this one scene and I have already plotted out their whole life history I'm like no

[00:46:34] I love that because I'm like I need this character here to move the plot So help I need like who is she I need to find out and she can really help me know how to tackle it

[00:46:47] So I don't spend you know, so I don't come up with a genealogy tree or anything But just enough to you know, we don't need to know who their great-grandpa is We just need to know their life and they're who they are

[00:46:59] Right, but the important thing is grace somewhere in a file. You have to read grandfather down, right? Yeah, like it's not gonna be in the story, but you have it. I've been there

[00:47:07] I know where I know exactly where you're coming from. Right, right. But yeah, Grace's work is She's an amazing artist and in her color. She's just has a really good eye for color and She's just really good at being an editor

[00:47:23] Kind of looking at the script and the art and be like no No, I don't like that and just helping make it better So yeah She just really is a essential asset for for the book and just a partner and friend and everything

[00:47:40] She's just she's a great person such good work. Look at this art. It's just really really good grace We're fans of it, you know, how would you describe your art?

[00:47:48] Because as I mean, I I've blown away by it every time I see it. How would you describe it? I have a really hard time putting it into words. I Know that I would describe my my work is colorful or fantasy, you know fantastical

[00:48:06] It's just things that I would really want to see like when I was a kid I loved looking at those little fairy posters. I Was obsessed with those so I wanted to make my own version but like

[00:48:20] not your typical fairy with wings and the same outfit over and over again just like Connect it with nature It was like black light posters that are already lit You know what I mean? Like they don't like they just pop when you look at these

[00:48:37] It's like are they under a black light already, but they just have this great Touch of the dark in the light how you highlight those Those colors it just looks like it's electric when you look at this stuff

[00:48:48] It's great. Oh good with colors and she did by the way all the colors on Nuali as well Mm-hmm Am I is that can we stop right there that young lady right there and that fourth topper, right?

[00:49:02] That looks like the Lucy from fallout. That is that is a hundred percent Yeah, that's it look at that Wow Reimagined through the eye of grace and by the way your art always feels very

[00:49:23] Organic and alive, I mean obviously they're people as well, but I mean they feel like they're like somehow alive with the environment Right. Yeah, there's yeah, she puts a lot. I think it's the emotion She puts I'm assuming you said thank you, but I heard something else entirely

[00:49:42] Kevin Garcia always filling that hole Right there. I grace also is an amazing video editor So these for example the videos that you see in that Instagram Feed that you were just in Yeah, she knows yeah, she made these reels like don't go down and

[00:50:08] It's the Nuali one right there. Yeah, I didn't make those So she made these really a holes To help us promote the game on social media So she did all the effects she did all the video editing and she learned the program and and you know

[00:50:28] She did an amazing job. She's really good at this Look, I wanted to like it right now and I realized I've already done that Multi-talented She like I said, she's an essential member of this team, you know will Grace and yourself you've you've built this this game

[00:50:52] You're building this world within the game and even hand-in-hand You know will say kind of been from the start to just even chiming in with boy, oh man in that world

[00:51:00] I did all the three of you have you know, come on away from school. Yeah where you are now You know, I applaud you. I mean think about it to have so much To put so much time and effort into something for so long and

[00:51:15] Still have it come through is rare because how many times haven't we started something and then we let it we let it go It just didn't work out for us, right?

[00:51:23] Through the ups and downs. I mean you've had each other, you know, and all three of you guys as a team I know you grace and Gonzalo together as well as partners But it feels so good man

[00:51:33] You know to kind of like you know visit with you and see what what you're doing what you're what we can support And Primo's out there and by the Kickstarter for the point of this recording is already live, right? So we got to try to get I

[00:51:45] Want the mobile game so we got to figure out how to make make the what is it 500,000 happen? I want the comic at least come on. Let's get there. We can get there. Yeah. Yeah, we can get there

[00:51:54] I like honestly I I am happy and excited to make all this stuff All it is is having the funding that has always been The and I think that's just a case for it for everyone but having the funding to do this thing You know like, you know

[00:52:12] Not to pity party anything, you know, like my parents don't come from a wealthy background. I'm a first-generation You know first to graduate college first to go to school here in the United States and a lot of you know

[00:52:25] Those firsts so I feel like sometimes you know it it was hard to To to you know, try to be the the first and be successful and I feel like sometimes though

[00:52:37] That's why I never quit because I was like, okay the American dream is here that my dad and my mom worked And sacrifice their their their lives basically to give me Yeah

[00:52:50] So, you know if some dude in New York can you know create video games and card games and live a successful life? Well, then hell I can do it too just because I come from the swamp doesn't mean I can't do it and

[00:53:04] Honestly, it wouldn't have happened without grace and it also wouldn't happen without will I want to eat will is an Amazing not just friend, but he's an amazing creator. He's a really smart guy I wanted to mention, you know

[00:53:21] He has helped me with my book so much because he comes from a background of reading books like fantasy books like the Wheel of Time and Tolkien and all of that and I feel like he really inspired me to kind of

[00:53:35] Read more of like sci-fi and fantasy and that has made my book better Because of that and he's even you know worked on his own writing project as well, and it's really good Sci-fi future post-apocalyptic really awesome stuff. Well, you've been holding out on us, huh?

[00:53:56] Yeah, yeah, I'll probably get going more on it once we get past all of this We're working so hard on right now. But yeah, I'd definitely like to finish that book at some point I've like he said I've just been reading my whole life

[00:54:11] I've been obsessed with books since I was a kid started reading Harry Potter in fourth grade and Stuff like that and Lord of the Rings I think shortly after that and so Yeah, I'd love I'd love to publish that book at some point

[00:54:23] But I definitely appreciate just how hard it is to write a book and how many times I've rewritten Just the chunk of the novel that I've got right now and still feel like

[00:54:34] It's not up to the standards of what I like to read and I wouldn't want to release something. That's that's not ready That's not fully developed yet. So You know just a work in progress and we'll see when when it gets there When when it gets there

[00:54:49] We're all been there with creatives right we always Need what is it just let it like a certain point you have to stop. It's never gonna be finished, right and We're all guilty of it. And you know, we we want to just kind of reiterate, you know

[00:55:03] the creative are Anybody in the creative field and any facet of it always has to have that hurdle of you know Hey, well, you won't make much money, right? Oh, hey, it's like a it's a shot in the dark

[00:55:15] You know, it's a flip of a coin whatever it's never guaranteed, right? But like you said like why is it that at least the way we've grown up has always been oh, that's a nice hobby

[00:55:24] But you really got to go be a dentist. You know what I mean? Like go be a Social worker get your welding degree your welding certificate manual make some money. You know what I mean? Like, okay. Yeah, you're not wrong

[00:55:35] There's great. Hey there are careers. Those careers are amazing. There are people do them There are great way of life right my family's all work that the plumber uncle's a carpenter my uncle's a nutrition

[00:55:46] They make great they take care themselves. They're greater happy that wasn't for me, right but We have this we'll talk about my son, right? He watches like, you know stuff on YouTube

[00:55:56] No more no more TV anymore, but YouTube, you know online the card games would have you right and He's his head is just art. I'm gonna draw I'm gonna do animation. I'm gonna do this

[00:56:06] I'm gonna I'm in that kid of space and it helps that we have he has access to me Which I've all I do is talk about representation, right?

[00:56:14] Be it of all facets Latino and other than just showing that anybody that really puts the effort behind it can get somewhere So this is just kind of a target for will as well and for you to just hey

[00:56:25] You know what you're doing is great work on this game work on your books work on your art because it's inspiring The next generation of kids growing up going wow

[00:56:33] I really want to paint like that or I really want to develop a game or develop what have you so take that for what? It's worth my word here and Kevin. I'm sure echoes that and but you know We usually here sir wind down the show

[00:56:45] we try to talk about something that we've kind of been into or obsessed with over the last few weeks and I see We brought up fallout right because you guys have talked about a little before the show Kevin still has not finished the show which is

[00:57:00] Will I will get to it if the problem look if they had released it week by week I probably would have been on whatever week round right now, and I would have watched it

[00:57:07] But we put all at once. It's kind of overwhelming. I just I'm not a binge watcher We just watched it one at a time like one or two like a normal human being yeah

[00:57:18] They just come over and hang out and then we'd watch it after we finish working. So it was a good pacing Yeah, you guys finished it. What was your thoughts on it overall cuz Kevin?

[00:57:27] I want to respect the spoiler stuff because it's worth watching. I mean I will watch it We don't want to burn that bridge. I'll share without spoiling anything. I think that it was the best adaptation of a video game intellectual property I've ever seen

[00:57:46] Because at least for me it felt like they they just they had the world already Like just look at the game and then they decided to create characters within that world and Just come up with the best story

[00:58:00] They could without having to strictly follow the main character from the video game because in the video game It's an RPG you do what you want. Yeah, I mean, hopefully there's a narrative

[00:58:11] But I think that's what made it strong was that it wasn't just trying to retell the same story but with actors The setting the acting Just Everything I felt like it really was fresh. It was something fresh

[00:58:27] It was fun and goofy but serious and emotional and all at the same time Yeah, it's one of those shows that doesn't come around often I think you know really captured the vibe of fallout the game especially fallout 3 like

[00:58:43] Like from fallout 4 the power armor is better and things like that Without giving too much away, but the designs from fallout 4 and creatures from fallout 4 that were really cool They put those in but there's a lot of references to fallout 3 that are really cool

[00:58:58] Which for me was one of my favorite video games You know way back when that came out But they have like the junk launcher in the show where objects out of it and somebody gets well I can't tell you that but there's a

[00:59:13] Junk being launched from the launcher in a cool way and So they they really paid attention to all those little references and details to make you feel like you know

[00:59:23] You were seen as the as a game player somebody that grew up playing fallout and it wasn't just oh well We're gonna just turn this into something that will do better with mass audiences that don't even like the game

[00:59:33] They really made a good show that everyone can enjoy even if they don't get those references But then it's just chock full of all of these little details that if you played the games you're gonna go

[00:59:43] Oh, I remember that I remember that that's so cool. They put that in there Right right. Yeah, great job with that like what he did Yeah Like how he said they respected the gamers who played the game and at the same time it wasn't just for gamers

[00:59:58] It wasn't like a show that it was like I you know I would be afraid to recommend because it's like oh you're only gonna get it if you played the game

[01:00:06] No, it's like that's just as a comic fan. I know that feeling when I'm trying to suggest something to somebody right, right, and I think that that to me at least shows a I don't know a path or direction that maybe more

[01:00:22] intellectual property should take is instead of trying to just Appeal to one audience or change it to appeal to another or just follow the same storyline as The video game and then people compare it and be like, oh it's different or better or worse

[01:00:40] But taking the world that was finally built and just creating really well-developed characters within it That's what I think. I don't know inspired me. Honestly, it was like wow, that's what I want to strive for, you know

[01:00:55] You know between a fallout and last of us and even to a certain extent the Mario movie This is a golden age of video game adaptations suddenly, you know

[01:01:05] Right. I would say the new Mario movie probably better than the first one. I watched when I was a kid I enjoyed the first one Kid I knew was horrible, but I still loved it

[01:01:21] So I'll tell this story since Gonzales said so I had ammonia when I was in second grade and I was out Of school for like two weeks really really really really sick could barely breathe. They had me on

[01:01:33] massive amounts of cough syrup so that I wouldn't just be coughing my lungs out and the Mario movie my mom rented the Mario movie for me and

[01:01:42] I watched the Mario movie while just completely out of my mind on cough syrup and I felt like I lived an entire lifetime I told Kevin that that's the way to watch that movie

[01:01:53] It's like I might have a bunch of a bunch of beers and watch the Mario movie the first Mario Brothers movie That's the best way to watch that movie. Like it's not like it's not gonna win any awards, but it's also like hey

[01:02:04] Let's go watch buckaroo bonsai, you know after a couple drinks, right? It's it's fun. It's goofy But it's not good That movie was so good I just my like I saw it once I thought man that was a hell

[01:02:18] It's like drop dead Fred it sucks, but I but I like that movie Drop dead Fred flashbacks man It's bad and it I remember like watching as an adult like the scene at the end when they're adult that I got like It's like whatever

[01:02:35] The first Mario Brothers movie was just called Mario Brothers and the new ones called Super Mario Brothers. So in my head their sequels Sure, but you said it's a golden age of adaptations right we're getting there I'm worried because Amazon Prime announced they're doing Yakuza like a dragon

[01:02:54] So and Nintendo announced that they're going to allow somebody to make a live-action Zelda. So so if the people if we did if they do the Yakuza show or movie Like over-the-top Yakuza the games I'm all in but the problem with the Yakuza

[01:03:14] Games is that you spend 45 minutes at a disco doing karaoke and finding chasing RC cars That's Yakuza like that's not a show So I don't know how they're gonna gonna do that cuz fallout had eight is somewhat of a world and the mission to survive

[01:03:30] Yakuza is not like that They make the Zelda adaptation. It's gonna be like a full-on like Game of Thrones series But like 20 minutes of every episode it's gonna be breaking pots fishing Trying to get the little Koroks with it with a bow spinning in a field, baby

[01:03:46] I'm just cutting down grass, you know, like that's gonna be coins that way cuz that's where that's where rupees are man The rupees rupees, right? But anything else you guys been watching lately that you've been getting into or recommend I just watched solo leveling the whole first season

[01:04:04] Yeah, yeah, I saw that yeah, right. Yeah, it's incredibly good I've got a friend that is super into the manga and he's really excited that they're making it into a show But I haven't read the manga but the show is just incredibly addictive. It's it's

[01:04:18] One of these kind of dungeon fantasy themed animes where it's kind of like World of Warcraft Like you go into a dungeon and you fight in the dungeon

[01:04:27] but it's in the modern world and these portals are springing up and monsters will come out if you don't go fight the Dungeon and everyone just has a fixed power level, but the main character

[01:04:36] Is able to level up through a series of unfortunate events that happened to him and so he's able to get stronger Within this role. He was like the weakest guy and now he's getting stronger and stronger

[01:04:46] So that was just a really really good first season one of the best animes that I've seen lately Cool about you guys grace and Gonzalo I watch an episode of what he just mentioned and I can attest it is good gives me attack on Titan vibes

[01:05:01] It's very just dark and and But yeah, that's a good show I would say We just started scavengers reign Things about that. I've heard good things about that. I'm hurting about it animated sci-fi fantasy Imagine Studio Ghibli, but sci-fi fantasy Like like bio nature space weird creatures

[01:05:27] And you know people stuck on this planet and there's all these weird creatures that like you hit the the sploosh maploo and the creature like turns into like a Like a vehicle and that's just like the logic of that world

[01:05:40] It's like organic almost like the blue avatar people movie, you know how they connect. Okay. Oh, yeah I've seen that one. It's called the last airbender. Yeah It's kind of like that but but better And animated and it's beautiful

[01:06:03] And I'm sold check it out on Netflix, it's it's great it's great I Saw Furiosa Mad Max film I loved it Loved it. If you guys haven't checked it out, it's it's awesome. It's fun

[01:06:18] Apparently most people haven't checked it out. They need to they need to go see this movie for you size dope. She She kicked butt in that film and Thor surprised me And I hate to say I hate to call him Thor but like he was

[01:06:35] He was basically physically Thor although not not personality wise but physically he looked like Thor He was physically Thor in this film But he got a lot of respect from me at the eye by the end of that film

[01:06:46] Because you would think he's gonna play that goofy totally, you know wacky because Thor is a what is it a himbo? Right per se just kind of goofy and strong and he's store, right?

[01:06:57] But this Chris Hemsworth is not that boy. He's not poor. He's has some acting chops here and Yes, there's some of that it was also There's a bit of like this interaction with the two actors toward the mid end of the movie where you kind of sit back

[01:07:16] And go wow, this is the actor Part of the film this isn't explosions. This is not gunfight. This is the emotion this is the Conversation and you're like, oh wow. This is this is fucking good. So I

[01:07:31] it's worth watching if you haven't seen it check it out, it's really worth your time and I'm saddened be like Kevin said because They're saying that where they had a third movie lined up but now they're holding back because this one didn't make enough money

[01:07:44] Yeah, which is insane. This is so well shot. You know, it's crazy I have to verify it but like somebody made a list of like the top 10 Budget movie top 10 box office hits this year and like number 11 was Madame Webb

[01:08:01] And that's like that is famously a flop. It's just that's how little money people have made this year Wow Yeah It sucks that yeah, that's that's always the issue money will this Cancel shows even if they do very well

[01:08:21] Yeah, I'm looking at it right now as of that was a week ago as of right now Madame Webb is number 14 and that is how bad the the studios have been doing this year in theaters

[01:08:31] Wow, I tried watching Madame Webb by the way, it's not good. I can't Kevin. I tried I was 40 minutes in like why am I still watching? I'm probably gonna put that on in the background while I do some work

[01:08:44] I got bad. I watched something better today. Oh, yeah Star Wars acolyte just came out first two episodes are out it this is Solidly within the Star Wars universe, but a piece of it that we have never really seen before

[01:08:59] So there's no Skywalker's to be heard from one way or the other But it's it's it's really good. It's it's it's I've really been enjoying it so far It's only got two episodes out that dropped on the same day, which that kind of binging I can do

[01:09:14] still I If I have one word to recommend I would say Will actually recommended this to me. It's called delicious in dungeon never heard of it Oh June you we have a whole episode with Kevin and Elia soup to nuts pun intended

[01:09:34] Talking about this show like they are head over heels over this thing. Wait delicious in dungeon Yeah, we just a week ago so catch up on my Primo's podcast yes

[01:09:54] Because they get into it and tell me doesn't Kevin look like the dwarf that is cooking at the time doesn't he look like Yeah, I mean does the favorable comparison. He's really cool. So right Well

[01:10:09] Will is that character because will is actually a cook. He is a cook He is like he's like a fantasy cook that came from some other world Whoa like alchemy

[01:10:21] Like I wish you could taste the ribs that we're gonna be serving on Saturday at the launch party on June 8th, I wish you could taste them because they're out of this world, but that's why I give him that character

[01:10:34] Well, good ribs will travel, you know, I heard you come into town in Dallas For a TX Latino Comic Con July 20th, right? Yeah, I could actually bring some barbecue because I've actually traveled with barbecue before I made a brisket

[01:10:47] and I brought it up to Austin to visit my friends and Just vacuum sealed it wrapped in foil and then sous vide heated it up and they were saying it competed with

[01:10:56] Franklin's barbecue in Austin, which is a big spot. There you go. I like Franklin's I feel like it's overrated Well, you know, of course want to just wrap up the show tonight. I want to thank our guests tonight. Mr. Will Rogers

[01:11:08] Gonzalo Alvarez and of course, Miss Grace. I wait. Thank you so much for coming on the show. You guys are always welcome Don't hesitate. You don't have to have something to promote. You can just come on and chat make fun of Kevin It's fun

[01:11:20] Everybody does it you know, you should jump on this for your health Very good But I mean he fills a hole there it is. See he fills that hole

[01:11:30] But I want to just give you this give you a moment and just kind of where everybody can find you or You know about no Wally because the Kickstarter is live at this point by the time of this recording

[01:11:39] So just take a moment and go ahead and share where everybody can find info about the game and yourself Yeah, so go to no Wally calm It'll take you straight to our Kickstarter page and you can kickstart the game

[01:11:53] Then you can check out tecuan ease calm if you want to learn more It's our website with everything you need to know about no Wally and Finally, you can find me at Gonzin GON zzi and K on Instagram and Twitter. I

[01:12:11] Post everything I can about no Wally and my book. So I hope to see you guys there And grace work we will find you in your work You can find me at grace work.com

[01:12:23] And grace work we will find you and your work you can find me at gracelessly graceful on Instagram and Cara Nice and well, I know you said you're working on stuff on your own a Wally's your focus right now

[01:12:38] Is there any anybody can you need socials? You want to put out there? I Mean my social is I just use Instagram. I Vixorian is the the tag Gonzalo tags me and some stuff. I mainly just post my cats and barbecue on there right now though

[01:12:53] What is it? Hey, there you go. There's a there's a there's a box for that too, you know, so Mr. Kevin Garcia, what about you? Is there anything coming up anything? You want to I am aware? I am currently not to be found on tik-tok

[01:13:08] Because I'm currently in a self-imposed exile as the app has decided that four out of every five videos that I post are suspiciously not original They seem to think I'm copying content from somewhere despite all of the things being my research my words my picture of my voice

[01:13:27] And and I've and I've been able to appeal all of those videos except for four and They say if I if I lose five appeals, I will be banned from the program So I'm like, you know what?

[01:13:40] I'm just gonna wait a week until that those have expired so I can start fresh and get potentially banned again And by the way those four that that they have rejected the appeals on are my interviews with George Takei and my interviews with

[01:13:55] Kevin Conroy both of which talking about LGBT issues, which is a great thing for Pride month. So yeah And of course we most know you can find us at my famous podcast and my famous podcast calm

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[01:14:30] Thank you guys Hey on that stream. Oh, this is your people Freddie wanting to thank everybody for watching and listening to this week's my people's podcast This week's episode was hosted by yours truly primo Freddie and mr. Kevin Garcia calm

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