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[00:00:34] Sorry. Wait, where am I?
[00:00:38] You are directly in the center.
[00:00:40] You can look either way and it works.
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[00:00:46] Hello.
[00:00:48] There we go.
[00:00:50] I'm just wondering if you would say like,
[00:00:52] Freddie, but you're looking at Kevin.
[00:00:54] You know, Kevin.
[00:00:56] That would be the purpose of in hilarious.
[00:01:00] You just do it on purpose.
[00:01:02] Just be like, Oh, I just kind of remember you know,
[00:01:04] these little people.
[00:01:06] I'm a ditty dame.
[00:01:08] No, you're not a ditty dame. You're so big.
[00:01:10] You know, you're so out there. You're out there with the stars.
[00:01:12] Looking down on us.
[00:01:14] You know, we're just a bit like,
[00:01:16] that's what we're talking about.
[00:01:18] I really wanna talk about those things.
[00:01:20] You know, it's just like in the middle of the road.
[00:01:22] Yeah.
[00:01:24] I'm pretty comfortable talking about my assets.
[00:01:26] And sometimes I feel.
[00:01:28] I feel minimal in comparison to them.
[00:01:30] Oh, depends how big the assets are.
[00:01:32] Um.
[00:01:34] It's like,es like.
[00:01:35] Because like,
[00:01:38] it. Well, I guess fine for the spirit of
[00:01:44] Alia here we go.
[00:01:45] Gay on the stream most pretty months and
[00:01:47] pretty amazing welcome back to my
[00:01:49] pretty most podcast with me tonight is
[00:01:52] my pretty new words.
[00:01:52] Mr Kevin Garcia calm say what's up
[00:01:56] Kevin? What's up Kevin?
[00:01:59] One day no one day that's gonna stop
[00:02:03] one day is gonna stop but you know
[00:02:05] what the people want it they expect
[00:02:07] that you can't let your to crowd
[00:02:08] down right speaking of people
[00:02:10] pleasing and crowds and people are
[00:02:12] excited we're excited to have a very
[00:02:14] pleased to have with us tonight.
[00:02:15] Miss Venonique Medrano say what's up
[00:02:17] Venonique.
[00:02:18] You put me you put me you put me
[00:02:20] and I just love it.
[00:02:21] There you go.
[00:02:24] Put up body put up being chip
[00:02:26] body my wife bought your shirt at a
[00:02:28] car. She wears a thing at the one
[00:02:29] just put up in chip.
[00:02:30] Love it.
[00:02:31] What are these shirts?
[00:02:32] I don't think I've seen your shirts.
[00:02:33] Yes.
[00:02:34] Oh man.
[00:02:35] Oh my God that's an entire
[00:02:36] conversation we're gonna have about
[00:02:37] okay.
[00:02:38] Definitely definitely.
[00:02:41] But before we dive into the
[00:02:43] conversations and the chaos and the
[00:02:45] just trust me we started talking
[00:02:47] and then we didn't hit record so
[00:02:48] it's like a second recording I say
[00:02:51] we'll see if it goes the same way or
[00:02:52] not reveal the secrets behind the
[00:02:54] curtain.
[00:02:55] And you're not for his man is
[00:02:56] a budget.
[00:02:58] It's not a boss.
[00:02:59] It removes the illusion.
[00:03:02] I mean I'm not in a studio.
[00:03:03] I'm a little like an empty
[00:03:05] Dan with next to a set of
[00:03:06] ramers and I'm in a studio.
[00:03:08] It's a curtain because I can't
[00:03:12] afford a fourth wall.
[00:03:13] It's just a curtain.
[00:03:14] Don't acknowledge the fourth wall.
[00:03:16] We covered that.
[00:03:17] Yeah.
[00:03:18] That's what I do here man.
[00:03:20] Keep it real.
[00:03:21] No, I am in trouble.
[00:03:24] She's in charge.
[00:03:24] I am in charge.
[00:03:25] Now this is my.
[00:03:27] Talk to the keys.
[00:03:31] Talk to her the keys.
[00:03:33] We go.
[00:03:34] But he must but of course how
[00:03:35] it's keeping you can follow us on
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[00:03:47] Mr. Kevin Garcia underscore calm.
[00:03:50] Let's get him to those 10 K on
[00:03:51] that TikTok and at the unique 956.
[00:03:56] So I heard that all about showing
[00:03:57] where you're from.
[00:03:58] I love that.
[00:03:59] Whenever whenever I even mentioned
[00:04:02] like the Valley in in the
[00:04:05] TikTok always at least one comment
[00:04:07] 956 and you know what yes.
[00:04:09] Is the thing California as you can
[00:04:12] know my LA my swag but when you
[00:04:15] tell me oh I grew up in the valley
[00:04:16] I'm like oh why it's so hot
[00:04:18] and weird in the San
[00:04:19] Grable Valley like I'm thinking L.A.
[00:04:21] I'm like you're wearing a
[00:04:22] valley all.
[00:04:23] Oh my god.
[00:04:24] Texas higher.
[00:04:25] No, bro entirely different whole
[00:04:27] different thing not just that
[00:04:29] but I the more I've gone to L.A.
[00:04:33] The more that particular
[00:04:34] conundrum is actually occurred
[00:04:36] to me now before couldn't
[00:04:38] have cared less about what
[00:04:40] how I said things now I have
[00:04:42] to say deep South Texas and
[00:04:45] there's a reason for that too.
[00:04:47] There's a reason for that
[00:04:48] particular wording too.
[00:04:50] Yeah no seriously I can't tell
[00:04:51] you sometimes I'll meet somebody
[00:04:52] from like San Antonio and they're
[00:04:53] like yeah I'm in South Texas.
[00:04:54] You are not in South Texas
[00:04:55] and Tony I'm sorry like at least
[00:04:58] 12 or 15 below at least.
[00:05:00] There's a there's a reason for that
[00:05:02] which we will get into but the
[00:05:04] biggest reason for that is
[00:05:06] obviously it's just historical
[00:05:08] you know like it is because the
[00:05:10] border used to end right
[00:05:12] around San Antonio.
[00:05:14] So Mexico owned from like around
[00:05:17] San Antonio like under San
[00:05:18] Antonio down last
[00:05:20] a couple years though like less
[00:05:21] than five years I mean my god
[00:05:22] how long was Mexico not part of
[00:05:24] the US so like that's how
[00:05:27] people like engaged with Texas
[00:05:30] until you know the Mexican
[00:05:31] American war and then we all
[00:05:35] are are asked to still hurt to
[00:05:37] this day but you know like when
[00:05:41] you when you get into that it
[00:05:43] then pushed the border down
[00:05:48] to Brownsville down to these
[00:05:50] areas and why it looks the way
[00:05:52] it does.
[00:05:53] And so when people say South
[00:05:54] Texas I kind of forgive them
[00:05:56] now because the mentality is
[00:05:58] still from a lot of generational
[00:06:01] understanding from a lot of
[00:06:03] Anglo families that that is South
[00:06:05] Texas because that technically
[00:06:07] was where it was.
[00:06:08] Now I have to clarify deep South
[00:06:11] Texas because then they go like
[00:06:13] it automatically changes the
[00:06:16] conversation and it's no longer
[00:06:19] oh hey you know I'm talking
[00:06:23] about Texas now it's like oh
[00:06:26] there's something further if
[00:06:27] she's saying deep South
[00:06:28] Texas and and then it made
[00:06:30] a change in conversation.
[00:06:32] I'm telling you it does but my
[00:06:34] thing is I look at a map I look
[00:06:36] at a map and in the center of
[00:06:37] the map like not not like
[00:06:39] the the geographical not
[00:06:41] like that the the the so
[00:06:43] long for geographical not
[00:06:44] not that not the mathematical
[00:06:47] center I guess but like there's
[00:06:49] a mass right in the center of
[00:06:50] the mass you got Santoni and
[00:06:51] Austin like this you can't get
[00:06:53] much more center Texas than that.
[00:06:55] Yeah but you have to think about
[00:06:57] people who are coming from the
[00:06:58] Midwest who are coming from
[00:06:59] the East Coast and their
[00:07:02] definition of where the north
[00:07:03] of Texas starts is the panhandle.
[00:07:05] The nor this part of the state
[00:07:08] and then by the time they get
[00:07:09] to the middle they think that's
[00:07:10] South and then from that point on
[00:07:13] they don't want to go any further
[00:07:14] South.
[00:07:15] Well you know what honestly whenever
[00:07:17] I talk about white people from
[00:07:18] from the North whenever I talk
[00:07:20] to somebody a white person who's
[00:07:22] not then farthest out of the
[00:07:23] Santoni.
[00:07:24] They always say the same thing
[00:07:25] they're like oh you're from
[00:07:26] Brownsville is your family safe?
[00:07:30] Are they okay?
[00:07:31] Well I'm like sometimes the first
[00:07:34] couple times that happened I
[00:07:35] asked it seriously I was like oh
[00:07:37] yeah they're doing fine thanks and
[00:07:38] then I was like wait hold on are
[00:07:40] you saying because of the the
[00:07:42] immigration crisis or you saying
[00:07:44] because of the drug war like which
[00:07:45] one of the things you think is
[00:07:47] killing people because it's not
[00:07:49] really in Brownsville either of
[00:07:51] it.
[00:07:52] I will confirm and deny both of
[00:07:54] these things.
[00:07:55] No no like it's it's tangential
[00:07:57] to like I know people in Brownsville
[00:07:58] that used like I used to go to
[00:08:00] Mexico all the time just to get
[00:08:01] tacos and people don't want to go
[00:08:02] anymore but like it's not
[00:08:05] although with you Kevin come down
[00:08:07] let's go I have my passport.
[00:08:09] I just got my passport too but
[00:08:11] it's always it's not a war zone
[00:08:15] that people seem to think it is.
[00:08:17] No it's not and you know this is
[00:08:20] just this is supposed to be a
[00:08:21] nerdy podcast and this is what
[00:08:24] you guys got this is what you guys
[00:08:26] got this is what you get.
[00:08:27] This is the vegetable
[00:08:29] graphical nerdyness the vegetables
[00:08:32] before the dessert so enjoy
[00:08:34] yourselves now.
[00:08:36] To not everybody worth worth
[00:08:38] the soup okay where's the soup
[00:08:41] with the soup wait till we get
[00:08:43] to the nuts.
[00:08:44] No it's always the best part.
[00:08:46] Bro where do you go eat that
[00:08:48] there's soup and they give you
[00:08:49] nuts you don't know that phrase.
[00:08:51] No you never had you never
[00:08:55] okay so traditionally when you
[00:08:57] had a like seven course meal
[00:08:59] you start off with the soup
[00:09:01] right course you work your way
[00:09:03] down to the dessert which usually
[00:09:05] included a nut from type of
[00:09:06] pecan or almond or food.
[00:09:09] So anyway let's get keep
[00:09:12] pretty out of this what we'll go
[00:09:14] on Veronica.
[00:09:17] Why calling a Veronica bro I said
[00:09:19] but I mean I said right.
[00:09:22] I know when you're going to be
[00:09:24] no mom and dad no fight.
[00:09:28] Okay is when I'm a Texas
[00:09:30] people telling me
[00:09:32] I'm from LA.
[00:09:33] It's true for Vitoranique
[00:09:35] we'll stay together but when I
[00:09:36] want to text us from LA it was
[00:09:38] like wait you're in I'm in
[00:09:40] Dallas and they're like hey
[00:09:41] you're in central Texas I'm
[00:09:43] like I'm the map it doesn't
[00:09:44] look like it's central Texas
[00:09:46] because I'm like an hour away
[00:09:47] from fucking Oklahoma.
[00:09:49] I've been by car as I was
[00:09:50] that Dallas is not central
[00:09:51] Texas or this is where I once
[00:09:53] again state for anyone outside
[00:09:54] of the state they straight up
[00:09:56] include the panhandle as north
[00:09:59] and then just move down
[00:10:01] and what you're looking at
[00:10:03] got rock and looking thing
[00:10:04] at the top of Texas.
[00:10:05] Up that's what he count
[00:10:06] think about it think about
[00:10:07] just how dumb that is but is
[00:10:09] it like isn't like this like Texas
[00:10:10] is the guy yes part yes there you
[00:10:14] go yeah Texas is a gun
[00:10:16] yeah Texas is a gun
[00:10:18] but that on a shirt
[00:10:20] welcome to Texas and it's
[00:10:22] like this it's a gun.
[00:10:23] Okay there we go Texas
[00:10:25] I don't know I get the
[00:10:27] big no so of course right now
[00:10:30] living here for so long
[00:10:31] when they tell me oh I live
[00:10:33] in the valley I immediately
[00:10:34] my brain goes oh we're in
[00:10:35] Texas remember in Texas
[00:10:37] that's way down there and then
[00:10:39] you said yourself I've never
[00:10:41] looked every time I was
[00:10:43] going to go to a pass so
[00:10:45] where I'm going to go down
[00:10:47] that part of town and I like
[00:10:49] why there's no reason to go
[00:10:51] there what what is that
[00:10:53] mentality why so that
[00:10:55] mentality comes from a place
[00:10:57] like Kevin was talking about
[00:10:59] earlier there like a lot of
[00:11:01] us remember back in the
[00:11:03] 90s and 2000s don't get me
[00:11:05] wrong there was horrible things
[00:11:06] that were going on there was
[00:11:08] a drug war just like there is
[00:11:09] one in the United States
[00:11:10] all of those things exist
[00:11:12] but like here's the thing is
[00:11:17] that like for us it takes
[00:11:20] on a different tone because
[00:11:22] I will agree with people
[00:11:24] 2008 2009 2010 those were
[00:11:27] some gnarly years that's when
[00:11:29] we finally got to see what was
[00:11:31] on the news yeah that's when
[00:11:33] our border communities started
[00:11:35] to feel it because and to
[00:11:37] the point that it felt it to
[00:11:39] be a good example of what
[00:11:41] happened to me and I was
[00:11:43] going to go to a place where
[00:11:45] you're such an extent that
[00:11:47] there was a quick turnaround
[00:11:49] from the government on both
[00:11:51] sides to figure it out because
[00:11:53] it was affecting tourism
[00:11:55] and so just imagine three years
[00:11:57] and like here's a very good
[00:11:59] example and I'm going to be honest
[00:12:01] that shit happened and it was
[00:12:03] crazy let me preface this story
[00:12:05] with that it happened it's
[00:12:07] really crazy because I was at
[00:12:09] school so uh U. T. B. or what
[00:12:13] was formerly U. T. B. now it is
[00:12:15] U. T. R. G. B. if you look it
[00:12:17] up it is literally smack dab
[00:12:19] on top of the border so like
[00:12:21] the border walls here all of
[00:12:23] these folks are here
[00:12:25] here's the university just
[00:12:27] this is where they are
[00:12:29] this is where the university is
[00:12:31] their next door neighbors literally
[00:12:33] a people who don't know the
[00:12:35] university is there
[00:12:37] is literally on the border
[00:12:39] I used to teach at the high
[00:12:41] school it's about a quarter mile
[00:12:43] from the border but
[00:12:45] literally the property to the
[00:12:47] point by the way that when bush
[00:12:49] was building his fence across
[00:12:51] Texas the original plan was
[00:12:53] to build around the university
[00:12:55] golf course which was
[00:12:57] hilarious because that would
[00:12:59] mean only the border patrol
[00:13:01] will be allowed to go golfing
[00:13:03] and then you can go look it up
[00:13:05] was an entire ass
[00:13:07] I worked with the newspaper at
[00:13:09] time I remember writing about
[00:13:11] several times it was it was
[00:13:13] hilarious it was funny so he
[00:13:15] worked for the newspaper and
[00:13:17] then I eventually worked for
[00:13:19] that same newspaper so funny
[00:13:21] again like circles
[00:13:23] the circles are really small in the
[00:13:25] valley because it's literally
[00:13:27] an hour worth of like at least
[00:13:29] four five or six towns
[00:13:31] I was at school
[00:13:33] and I was working as a
[00:13:35] as in it like for one of
[00:13:39] like the programs that
[00:13:41] the university was doing for other
[00:13:43] kids so I was a student
[00:13:47] employee that's the best way to
[00:13:49] describe it I know
[00:13:51] it was not a TA position I was
[00:13:53] not teaching anyone anything
[00:13:55] so I was doing that and
[00:13:57] in the middle of class we just
[00:13:59] see that during the
[00:14:01] class we see that there are
[00:14:03] sirens going off all
[00:14:13] across the building and then
[00:14:15] they're pushing us in from
[00:14:17] one side of the building
[00:14:19] all
[00:14:29] it. And like hearing gunfire, hearing shit like that is already traumatic
[00:14:33] enough. But then when you realize that your car is in the parking lot.
[00:14:40] And at least like a dozen or so cars that were out there from students to
[00:14:45] teachers to people working had gotten shot up from spill over gunfire
[00:14:53] that was happening in the midst of this like gang wars that was going. And
[00:14:59] that's when that's when it hit us. But let me be clear, it happened three
[00:15:04] different times in the set of a few weeks. Doesn't or so times I will tell you
[00:15:10] suddenly it stopped happening when an entire ass. What do they call those
[00:15:16] things tanks? Yeah, whole ass tank moved through town. A US tank I'm assuming.
[00:15:23] Yes, a US tank moving through town to the border pointed. Wow. And we were like
[00:15:33] can I just can I just say that when they recently had that situation where
[00:15:38] those three college kids in the US were kidnapped and one of them died and
[00:15:44] they released them back to the cartel released them immediately as soon as it
[00:15:48] became news. And then they tied up one of their members dropped them off at
[00:15:56] the police station and said it's his fault he's the one that did it. And my only
[00:15:59] thought was they're just like, Oh, we don't want to poke that there. We don't
[00:16:03] want to we don't want to work with the US again. And it's because of that.
[00:16:06] Like there was a lot of show of force. Like it wasn't publicized in the news.
[00:16:10] Let me be clear. It's really hilarious what gets publicized in the news
[00:16:14] and what doesn't. And the stuff that gets publicized is the stuff that is
[00:16:17] super theatrical when you say publicize, you mean nation wide? Yeah, nation
[00:16:22] wide because there was so many things that I remember covering that I'm like,
[00:16:25] why is this not nationwide news? And it wasn't because they didn't care about
[00:16:28] us. No, and it was it was crazy. So for those who who like unfortunately
[00:16:35] those times which did exist in in the 2000s. The odds. I like to say the odds.
[00:16:43] Thank you. The odds. I think it's a little offended man. It is what it is.
[00:16:46] This is 20 years ago. I love saying the odds because 2000s is technically a whole
[00:16:51] century, but I'm older. No, no, I got you. But the odds. So for those who are
[00:16:57] unaware, like the narrative of the valley got tainted so bad because of that
[00:17:04] particular era in time. Yeah. That was happening everywhere. And it's been
[00:17:09] politicized enough. And I'm sure this is not a political podcast. But again,
[00:17:13] for those who are like, Hey, let me know where you're from. No, there is no
[00:17:18] danger in where I'm from. I'm perfectly fine. It is not a war zone. It is not
[00:17:22] a third world country. I've had folks from Dallas, you know,
[00:17:26] arting even. Yeah, even like again, it is problematic. But it's like they treat
[00:17:31] us like we are a third world country war zone when we are none of those things.
[00:17:38] And we are literally within the United States. So while we've been talking about
[00:17:42] this, I brought up a map and I wanted to kind of show this kind of shift gears
[00:17:45] a little bit. This is a map that basically shows Texas as seen by Texas. You
[00:17:52] know what I mean? Like we talk about the look we talk about deep South Texas.
[00:17:56] It's what's here at the lower Rio Grande Valley technically the Rio
[00:17:59] Grande Valley goes all the way to Opa so but like the lower Rio Grande
[00:18:03] Valley, that's what we're really talking about. And when people say South
[00:18:06] Texas, yeah, I generally agree with that being South Texas except it shouldn't
[00:18:09] include San Antonio. I don't believe that but that being said, San
[00:18:13] Antonio can't be hill country because it's really not hill country. You know?
[00:18:16] And so that makes sense and then you know, it breaks it all down. And I think
[00:18:20] for a lot of people, you know, it's becoming a political podcast for a lot
[00:18:25] of people who are all worried about the border crisis. None of them live near
[00:18:29] the border. None of them and literally. And I will just, you know what this
[00:18:34] this is a great segue. I'm going to be super honest. The inadvertently was a
[00:18:39] great segue for the comic that we'll be releasing in March called Dragon
[00:18:45] Throw. It is from she's from comics. 13 or a dragon. Well tell us about it. What's
[00:18:55] the book about? So the 13 origins, Dragon Throw. I just want to let everybody
[00:19:02] know it is my first comic book out for consumption. It is the first one I have
[00:19:08] written one of many that are coming out over the next few years. So don't think
[00:19:13] that this is just a one and done for me. I'm in the industry you can't take
[00:19:17] me out now. And so the story itself is about a dreamer, somebody who is a
[00:19:26] migrant dreamer kid and their experience, you know, dealing with immigration,
[00:19:35] dealing with just these unfortunate situations that happen and how it leads
[00:19:42] quite accidentally to her getting powers from the fireworm. And so all of this
[00:19:52] is just drenched in deep lore but to top it all off I get the wonderful
[00:19:57] privilege of having my words being illustrated by Steph C. She is an amazing
[00:20:03] illustrator from Mexico and to be able to just continue with my my full ethos
[00:20:11] and pathos of trying to be authentically present with my personhood and the
[00:20:19] personhood of my characters who are Mexicans as much as I possibly can. And so
[00:20:25] the story does take place in Tequila, Halisco. And it is just such a beautiful
[00:20:31] story. I really cannot commend Steph enough like she has made art out of what
[00:20:37] is one girl's very, very small dream of being you know in somebody's stacks on
[00:20:47] with a little piece of tape on the back of the book. Yeah somebody's short box
[00:20:50] right? Yeah I mean somebody who looks really really good. I've seen the preview
[00:20:55] art. I'm very excited about it. Like I've seen the cover in a couple previews
[00:20:59] looks really good too. Definitely. I just I think the beautiful part about the
[00:21:05] story itself is that I was able to really encapsulate Mexico. And while there are
[00:21:13] different stories that happen around the US, I made it a challenge for myself
[00:21:20] to try to capture you know the other side of the border because it's not
[00:21:26] something it's not something that even in comics is very much done. You know
[00:21:32] when we think of comic books about about Mexico, there is that sepianist to
[00:21:37] it all. Unfortunately, there's this very Western vibe and this does not give
[00:21:41] that. This is definitely a celebration of color and sound and just wow I just
[00:21:49] I really cannot commend Steph C and enough. There is a reason why the woman is
[00:21:55] booked in busy with Marvel and DC and with these companies and I am just
[00:21:59] I get just get to just usher words. Get to usher words into the world and she
[00:22:05] gets to make them beautiful. And like I said, I just really want to shout her out
[00:22:10] because if you guys don't know who she is, really really great artist and I
[00:22:14] really she's not here today but I just really want to commend her for that. She's
[00:22:19] with us truly in dragon thrall spirit. But I really love the book. I had to
[00:22:25] get pulled back from some of the crazy shit I wanted to do because I had to
[00:22:28] remember this was a YA book. But speaking of the craziness of the book, you
[00:22:36] wrote dragon thrall I've written Koneha which is not coming out to October
[00:22:41] and the plan after that is to have Cherry Bloss do the follow-up series and
[00:22:48] Terry kept saying watching what watching you and I
[00:22:54] really do get out I guess. We were metaphorically at each other's throws but in
[00:23:00] a fun way with in good spirit when we're at an event he's like I'm gonna make
[00:23:04] sure dragon thrall and Koneha Koneha has constantly being annoying but not on
[00:23:08] purpose. And I'm like you know what that feels that feels accurate. That feels
[00:23:11] super accurate. And here's the thing is like I think there's a bit of you know
[00:23:16] for those who know Kevin in this podcast you do not know Kevin like I know
[00:23:22] Kevin and I know Kevin I know Kevin in a way locally that maybe you guys don't
[00:23:30] understand his impact in for a little small town on the board. Kevin sit up
[00:23:35] there man get a little chest out there Kevin do it right I mean like it
[00:23:39] will just make fill you up a little bit. I don't take compliments well like
[00:23:43] I talk a lot but it's very hard for me to like internalize it I'm like okay
[00:23:47] sure they're saying that sarcastically okay okay cool I can take a
[00:23:50] little blushing right when he can't see it is like right he stopped speaking
[00:23:56] that's it that's it when he when he stopped speaking that's gonna be that's the
[00:24:03] tell that's the tell that's the thing is that Kevin you know we come from a very
[00:24:08] small town that's literally on the border and to try to represent where
[00:24:14] you're from is not an easy task I can attest and I'm sure Kevin can attest to
[00:24:19] you know when you're when you feel insular creatively within a community that
[00:24:27] doesn't really support it or an environment that doesn't really support it it
[00:24:30] makes it really hard to be a creative. I was very blessed I say this all the
[00:24:35] time I'm super blessed that my parents gave me the name that they gave me and
[00:24:41] knew the type of person I would become because no one gives a name like
[00:24:46] Vettoneek to somebody in a border town community where almost everyone speaks
[00:24:51] Spanish without knowing that it would create something you know it would just
[00:24:57] be pressure for for a diamond and I I was blessed with some very creatively
[00:25:03] supportive parents who are creatives themselves in their own little little fun
[00:25:09] ways and you know to have that made a different person but you know I look at
[00:25:16] Kevin and I look at you know he was doing things 10 times before me because
[00:25:23] you know he's older than me no but it's just like you you were working at the
[00:25:27] newspaper before I worked there you know so many different things that like our
[00:25:31] paths are always crossing and you know I remember like and this is what's crazy
[00:25:36] it's the full circle moment of it all is I remember Kevin and me at our local
[00:25:42] comic book shop and then to see us together in as comic book writers him as you
[00:25:52] know somebody who is very well established and well respected within the
[00:25:58] community especially with Marvel comics especially with comic book history
[00:26:02] and then myself being a first-time writer bro it's it's everybody's dream to
[00:26:09] like come up with your comic book friends like it is everybody's dream and so I
[00:26:18] get to live that dream every flip and day and that's why I say for those of you
[00:26:24] who do not understand why it is important that Kevin's exist the Kevin in
[00:26:29] your life literally Kevin's exist because there is a Kevin in your life your
[00:26:34] friend who is at the comic book shop who loves and is so passionate about this
[00:26:39] medium that they could be the next writer and they could remember you and they
[00:26:45] could remember that support and so that's why I'm taking this time to just give
[00:26:51] every minute a good beer right now in like the Kevin Garcia everybody
[00:26:56] yeah you know backwards from Kevin Garcia underscore dot com see while you are
[00:27:05] gushing here my first thought is to deflect and say wait you have a Freddie
[00:27:10] fender record behind you talk about local pride love Freddie Fender me
[00:27:16] Freddie every Freddie man stands out Freddie Fender was it was it was it was a hit
[00:27:21] back in the day from from San bonito and so they literally the water javas
[00:27:26] says the home of Freddie Fender yep and we're involved in a lot of recently
[00:27:32] I follow you I follow your feet online and you were been petitioning or helping
[00:27:36] petition to get Freddie Fender into the country music hall of fame correct yes
[00:27:41] and again I thought about Freddie Fender yeah Freddie Fender we're coming up on
[00:27:46] the 50th anniversary of the timeless classic record before the next year drop
[00:27:52] balls and I am have been petitioning for the last two years to get him
[00:27:59] inducted into the country music hall of fame and a lot of people will be like
[00:28:04] what isn't he already and they're already no he's not I know because I do
[00:28:08] and he is the truly the first Mexican American who really encapsulated being
[00:28:16] a migrant who really encapsulated being mehicano an American and really just
[00:28:21] proudly being from south Texas and sharing that culture with the world and my
[00:28:28] god he had a number one record the record that you guys see behind me is
[00:28:33] Freddie Fender's record that he recorded while he was in jail this is not highly
[00:28:40] in print we're actually trying to find out more about the story behind this
[00:28:45] record because it was recorded inside the Louisiana state prison I didn't know
[00:28:50] though about that record it was previously released in 1975 in the midst of
[00:28:59] the success of before the next year drop balls yeah I remember
[00:29:04] Freddie no record store in LA because I'm a music geek and I love Freddie Fender
[00:29:10] because it was always like oh Freddie I'm Freddie which is Freddie Fender guy
[00:29:13] was Freddie Mercury guy you know like you know you're good at music good at
[00:29:18] music there you go but ready for Freddie I had that record like I actually had
[00:29:23] the vinyl ready for Freddie and that was my thing for a while are you ready
[00:29:26] for Freddie because I got it from that record and people were like where
[00:29:30] did you get that from and I'm like in South Central LA listening to you know
[00:29:35] Freddie Fender or listening to one on a Jackson or the thing is just like this
[00:29:38] old country all this stuff coming up and it's amazing you know for those
[00:29:43] I don't know but unique singer performer as well and definitely love your
[00:29:49] record by the way I told you that I love your music pump pump pump is dope I was
[00:29:52] playing it earlier but I love the fact that not your your passion it you know
[00:30:01] about Nakurtura, Komuni Dada and the fact that even with the music and writing
[00:30:06] and just in yourself I mean when I met you it would just hit it off it was great
[00:30:13] I mean it was a blast but I feel like whenever you have passion oh yeah you're strong
[00:30:17] Brad you're a wrestler you're wrestling that day too I remember you know what I
[00:30:24] blocked that out for a quick second my brother was a massive fan of strong
[00:30:31] bad and you you had that down even down to the voice so yeah funny as I try to do
[00:30:36] the voice outside of the mask now and I can't it's not the same you know what I have
[00:30:43] with the mask on number two I was talking with a bunch of the wrestlers afterwards
[00:30:47] because I said bro I feel like I'm hyperventilating in here and they were like yeah
[00:30:51] breath like look at the nose holes they're super small you're gonna die there
[00:30:57] so I remember watching footage of Jim Hanson and he's trying to do the
[00:31:00] curmud voice and he couldn't do it and then he lifted up curmud suddenly he could
[00:31:03] do it and that's what it comes down to you have to wear the mask you have to wear the mask
[00:31:09] yeah oh my god the fact that you brought up a curmud reference oh my god love Jim Hanson
[00:31:16] very complex human being but overall truly a consummate artist a consummate creator somebody
[00:31:23] that is just like how to dream yeah there's there's a few people that like I go my god like if I could
[00:31:29] have a career like you know Robin Williams if I could have a career like Jim Hanson if I could
[00:31:35] have a career that would make me timeless for people I think I've done everything I need to do
[00:31:42] so what you're saying is you need to have the career if it on ink my own yes I do yeah
[00:31:47] if I have to read a record release a kid's book please a comic book yes a merch line
[00:31:53] you have to go on tour you have to do a CMT channel I know right
[00:31:57] I'm gonna have that in Kevin the Primo's podcast going on the road
[00:32:03] hey let's do it on this go get theaters going man we telling you earlier I mean we're
[00:32:07] been talking about doing events can make it happen but don't trust me you but let's talk about that
[00:32:13] you haven't really kind of not love this conversation to do really right but with music let's talk
[00:32:18] about that I mean kind of I want you to flex a little bit in brag you know like your music career
[00:32:24] and you know how you came about it I mean yeah the name helps right better unique and it's very
[00:32:30] it's weird very very very unique people somebody told me once it's oh what is this I was better
[00:32:37] unique than oh I would have said but don't eat ke and I was like no it's better unique it's unique
[00:32:42] better neat you get it they're like oh okay but she got dinner right and I go yeah it's just
[00:32:47] better unique very very unique but let's jump in let's talk about your music can kind of tell us how
[00:32:52] that came about and and your project you currently have out definitely definitely you guys got to
[00:32:56] check it out it's really good so with my music I recently released my first fully like co-produced
[00:33:06] record so I had a lot of decision making this is the first time that I could flex my ear in making
[00:33:13] decisions on how things sounded sonically with another producer that was freaking great but it was
[00:33:20] very very challenging because when making this record which is called mexy americana I had to kind
[00:33:28] of really decide did I want to finally stretch my bilingual legs and create music that was both
[00:33:37] in English in Spanish and in both languages in one song and and take the risk and go out there
[00:33:43] and do it in the hanoel well actually in texmex country which is a mix of the hanoel and country music
[00:33:51] and honestly it was the best decision I ever made for myself it has opened up creatively a lot
[00:33:59] of the doors in my brain on how I engage and interact but furthermore you know I have had the
[00:34:05] the true blessing that even though I released it towards the end of the year that people are
[00:34:10] still talking about it coming into 2024 you know I just got a review by Ed Helms of the office and
[00:34:21] and hangover fame and he runs a bluegrass company that now is expanding into country
[00:34:30] and he remembered my music to the point that he went and looked at the rest of my discography
[00:34:34] and you know recommended my music and said that it was you know the hanoel coming back to country
[00:34:41] music and that is an honor beyond words you know being on billboard and getting reviewed by billboard
[00:34:47] getting reviewed by all Ed Helms getting reviewed by you know every big country publication
[00:34:57] and then national music publications again I don't think that like the me that thought you know when
[00:35:06] I was little and living in a border town that I would just I would jet out of here go to New York be a
[00:35:11] Broadway star Ken McRaele but no but all you know thinking all of that and that at the end of the day
[00:35:20] you know I get the beautiful blessing of being here being home being around family and then being
[00:35:26] able to be myself authentically no matter where I go I'm really glad that I started my career
[00:35:32] after my 20s or within my 20s instead of you know trying to to go for it when I was young like a lot
[00:35:39] of us thought we were in the 90s everybody thought they were gonna be the next good star everybody
[00:35:43] thought they were gonna be McCulley Culkin or Britney Spears you know we're gonna be that but there's
[00:35:47] only one of them for a reason and so you know my music my musical journey has definitely been one
[00:35:55] of a lot of self exploration I have four albums out now for fully fleshed out albums two EPs
[00:36:03] and we're working on a fifth record yeah you heard me right it's we just released one at the
[00:36:07] end of last year we're already working on stage was you taking it slow yeah yeah I'm just
[00:36:14] leisurely pace you know just gotta just gotta get the blood pumping gotta get the
[00:36:19] gotta get the lungs working you know I mean it's like when do you ever have like
[00:36:24] a dinner and just have a day off and relax it feels like you don't
[00:36:30] I don't but I know that there's a reason for it um I I've been grinding for about 10 years
[00:36:38] and what's a few more I I know where I'm at like like where I'm at now and compared to where I was
[00:36:46] when I first started oh totally different like I was working a full-time job I mean shoot even before
[00:36:52] the pandemic I was doing a full 40 hour week job a full time course load for a master's degree
[00:37:02] full-time not part-time full-time as if I did not have a job so I think of how many classes that is
[00:37:08] for anybody that's that's curious what that might be and then I think that's like four right Kevin
[00:37:14] like three or four so three three or four well you're asking numbers to an English teacher
[00:37:21] numbers are not my thing but a master's degree is like three or four classes which are like
[00:37:26] okay so the other thing is I got I got my bachelor's in seven years but it might have
[00:37:32] been like two batches out of it but then it was another nine years for my master's so I'm not the
[00:37:37] one to talk about what the standard is look just cut Kevin's time in half thank you how many numbers
[00:37:45] that is and that's a lot so I'm doing 40 hours a week on that full-time course load as if I don't
[00:37:51] have a job with my master's program and then working my music career full-time which isn't
[00:38:00] like as soon as I get off work and as soon as I'm done with classes guess what I'm doing scheduling
[00:38:05] stuff going into production songwriting like I have lived that life I live that life now a lot less
[00:38:13] stressfully and so to me I've moved from the grind to now just being able to create moving
[00:38:29] to creating comfortably and that is a luxury that I grinded for so before anyone tells me oh
[00:38:37] what's you're being lazy no I'm not I'm absolutely not like like Freddie said you know I think
[00:38:42] for me there is no break because I can already see where where my trajectory is that I want to get to
[00:38:50] so that I can kind of start building things for the next one and now it's like every plateau point
[00:38:57] is some nice steady stuff because one of the things that they don't tell you about the growth
[00:39:05] of being an artist is that you need to start to understand the rhythms of how things move
[00:39:15] because you are going once you figure it out you're gonna really love when it's not moving so fast
[00:39:22] and you're going to really be creating your best within those times because otherwise everyone's
[00:39:27] gonna expect you to be at 100 at all times and the only times you don't get to be as soon as you
[00:39:32] close the door to the hotel room and you take off your clothes and you go to bed that is the only
[00:39:36] time that you get to be you and you have to be okay with that sometimes the struggle is worth the price
[00:39:42] because then you get to do what you want but in that hotel room you have free time
[00:39:47] you could be recording podcasts you could be so yeah too much extra work I'm so much free times
[00:39:53] where it is no no I really 100% agree with you I know exactly how that feels not to the same level
[00:40:00] but like I've never had only one job I've always done multiple things I take it back they're very
[00:40:06] few times where I've had only one job and I felt like what something's missing because I've always
[00:40:11] writing for one thing or working for another thing and then teaching and then also freelancing
[00:40:16] over here it is just it's always something that is a cat and that is our break
[00:40:25] I need to get my cat because she worked out yeah
[00:40:27] yeah
[00:40:54] oh
[00:40:56] thank you so much for sticking with us here after that chaotic first half of the show thanks Kevin
[00:41:03] Garcia who had a control man whenever praising me comes up it's gonna take over it's gonna take
[00:41:08] over right my mic literally died because we were praising Kevin Garcia so much she was like
[00:41:13] she was like two mics two mics went out heaven show different mics went out mic in two cities
[00:41:19] in two mic in two different cities in the deep south of Texas and up here in central
[00:41:30] I don't even know anymore I think I'm not a hill country so uh but but you know as you just
[00:41:35] listen to Little Neaker so with bump bump bump I've been jamming that song recently when I walk
[00:41:40] the dog I do have a doggo now max and I'm now following that on a Spotify because I can't believe
[00:41:46] I wasn't already like I thought I had a loser I know loser I know I can't do that man you got to
[00:41:52] follow everybody everybody's family no no no no I have to follow everybody I have to follow everybody's
[00:41:58] who's good and oh oh whoa there we go red lightly if he just praises you so much he blew you up
[00:42:08] be careful be careful be careful look at her look at her it's crazy it's crazy she's strong she's bad
[00:42:15] strong so we've been talking this whole we've been talking about like the the culture and the
[00:42:25] traditions of south Texas we've been talking about the regions of Texas we're talking about
[00:42:29] the struggle of being a bilingual musician trying to make our way you know our way I'm not a musician
[00:42:35] make your way in in in the industry and all that can be so fun my name was
[00:42:41] I threw up my entire childhood and into the into the early 90s was like
[00:42:45] when I was a teenager there were like Selena it's gonna be the one to break it Selena's gonna
[00:42:50] be the one to just break it wide open and at the time they're comparing her to Madonna but I think
[00:42:56] that would have been kind of small compared to how big she had gotten so quickly and
[00:43:03] um did you know Kevin that there was a documentary just recently released so I watched
[00:43:11] I watched this documentary specifically because
[00:43:18] what are you guys talking about what is this documentary that you sold out and they hold on sit down
[00:43:22] oh you're already sitting like is it like to put out like a new show that has brownsville mountains
[00:43:27] isn't it like I need to know they find that's oh my god that's the hills or brownsville
[00:43:33] oh my god there was this HBO movie back in the 90s called second civil war and literally they're
[00:43:37] like I'm in brownsville Texas and there's mountains behind them where the hell is that
[00:43:40] I mean I thought it's not the documentary we're talking about we're talking about them
[00:43:44] finally like putting the rest you may want to take a you may want to take a take a take a
[00:43:47] beat okay just brace yourself a little bit okay but the murderer of Selena yeah oh
[00:43:55] Elanda is the main topic of an oxygen channel documentary where she spends about is she like
[00:44:05] the new like the new person on the bad girls club like what I mean
[00:44:11] I don't think it's like scared straight you'llanda you don't know yeah I mean yeah
[00:44:18] I mean you'll be careful you know she's gonna shoot you but she is trying to convince the general
[00:44:24] public because it's next year in March yeah next year she is a for pearl and she is trying to
[00:44:32] convince us that she did so yeah well it wasn't accident oh so like what but here's the thing
[00:44:41] though um everybody who's been talking to me about this has been saying it is if she's already
[00:44:46] been perl and I'm like no she'd be up for pearl next year so there's no guarantee now is it
[00:44:53] likely she's pro I mean no absolutely but like I'm gonna tell you right now like one of the
[00:44:57] biggest things with parolees is that they have to show some kind of remorse to start with true and
[00:45:03] I'm gonna tell you this whoever thought that that the timing was correct I'm sorry
[00:45:07] you'llanda is not gypsy rose yeah like like like like like like I don't know what people were
[00:45:15] thinking did they think that like it was like oh no I killed for a reason bro gypsy rose
[00:45:20] and yolanda not the same people number one so number two if you haven't watched it let me give you
[00:45:27] the big the birds eye view of it and we can tear it apart because Kevin sat through it I sat
[00:45:31] through both both episodes and I and I chose not to why I didn't know that was an option
[00:45:38] well I could choose not to make a guess you know what you know what fair that is fair all right
[00:45:44] so let's get in my ear can say yeah earlier I was not able to be in the show she watched it
[00:45:49] and she straight up like nothing she said validated to what she did guilty catch my hands March 31st
[00:45:57] 20 25 like that's it really it said I love the documentary and everything she's no she did
[00:46:02] not don't you dare I told her I told her I was like come on here and drag your ass
[00:46:07] I literally jump on screen right now and choke you she's gonna find you there you go see there you go
[00:46:13] hold you the spirit her spirit lives in us it's through me
[00:46:19] like his hands but who knows you're trying to convince you let it's an accident
[00:46:23] and you know my opinion right now when I watch this thing all I did was get more pissed off
[00:46:29] annoyed at her family because her family was sitting there going woe is me like oh man it's just
[00:46:35] my aunt and people were treating me bad because of what she did and even though it was an accident
[00:46:41] and because all these things led up to her accidentally having the gun go off and killing Selena
[00:46:50] and she says that at the end of the documentary it went off I was trying to commit suicide
[00:46:56] and then she ran away and the gun went poof and killed her but everything there was nothing
[00:47:02] and that whole four hours of my life that showed remorse that showed that took full responsibility for
[00:47:09] it and they were trying to plead the case in Kevin you both were for newspapers so you know
[00:47:15] we objective. Before we go on the meaning of what this all means I want to keep addressing the
[00:47:19] the documentary itself for a quick second let's go and what I want to say is this is
[00:47:25] I've been in journalism now for 25 years this year I've been professional writer right
[00:47:29] this is bald faced as much as it can be one sided storytelling and admittedly they are trying to
[00:47:37] say oh here's a side that isn't heard before there but at that being said it is nothing
[00:47:43] else about it is fair you know everything about this is like look how suspicious her father is
[00:47:48] who was nowhere near the site and nothing to do with the actual incident but he's suspicious nonetheless
[00:47:52] you know and by the way I cannot look at him and not see Edward games almost but but the thing is that
[00:47:57] like it's just so it reminded me of the fire fest documentaries right because if you guys remember
[00:48:05] there were two fire fest documentaries that came out at the same like month I think right and one
[00:48:10] of them interviewed the people who were like there who live and work there and one of them
[00:48:16] interviewed the guy that put it on and the one the interview the guy that put it on was like
[00:48:21] everybody but me was guilty and if you watch the other video it was like it was all him you know
[00:48:27] so it was like it was ridiculous because it was it was funny to me watching both documentaries
[00:48:31] like to me watching one without the other was pointless because they were so hilarious against each
[00:48:36] other and in this one it is 100% Yolanda is not innocent but she's a victim as well
[00:48:45] and that by itself is like no we need if you aren't going to get the family of Selena involved
[00:48:54] then at least have somebody give a retrospective on Selena as you're talking about it not just by
[00:48:58] the way she was popular you know like do not only that don't hold on I mean I'm really pleased
[00:49:03] time in here in a second but this piece fucked me up more they were too like almost drag your name
[00:49:09] to the mud at the end of it they were trying to make her seem like she was also doing very shit
[00:49:15] literally quote from Yolanda she was human too she was also flawed
[00:49:20] I mean yeah but we don't need you to tell us that bitch thank you for all of you like bitch yeah
[00:49:26] the fuck you think like living in a very harsh like let's just let's just wrap our minds around
[00:49:35] you know the person that is Selena and I would like to just outright say I understand that there's
[00:49:41] a lot of flack to this one person who got who got interviewed and I have his book here
[00:49:48] this one it's called Selena yeah I've been wondering about that
[00:49:52] Joe Nick Potowski yeah I haven't watched it but the here's the thing is that with people who write
[00:50:00] stuff like this that initially was not sanctioned by the Quintanillas but after they read it left
[00:50:07] this man alone Joe Nick Potowski is not a nobody he is a very well respected journalist with a
[00:50:13] Texas monthly covered everything about Selena as she was getting big within the state
[00:50:20] and you know was writing about her it extensive research I have actually had the blessing of going
[00:50:27] through his archives which anyone can go and check out by the way he's an actual journalist yes
[00:50:32] he is an actual factual journalist he has written the biography for Willie Nelson sanctioned by Willie
[00:50:39] Nelson so like he is not somebody that is throwing shit around and so he's looking at his
[00:50:45] archives like why is this guy on here so the reason why is because he's probably one of the only
[00:50:50] few people who would actually do the interview to be very honest yeah they probably tried reaching out
[00:50:55] to chingos of historians and a bunch of people told them and a bunch of people told them to fuck off
[00:51:01] and they had to try a different act to get information from someone I don't know for a fact
[00:51:07] so but yes so here's the problem with with him being on there and I don't know this from him
[00:51:13] but I know this from other people that I know that have been on documentaries before
[00:51:17] and they're like yeah I did like an hour of interview with them and they used the five minutes
[00:51:21] where I was like well maybe it was a fake assassination you know that kind of stuff like not
[00:51:26] not about this situation obviously well let's not pretend right we so stand right
[00:51:29] I'm not sparing because I didn't watch it what did you guys get from no so from him was was 90%
[00:51:38] you know especially the beginning of it the actual like here is wisely and it was so important
[00:51:42] but then whenever they were trying to cut together clips of like but maybe maybe Yolanda's like
[00:51:48] sympathetic they'd be him saying well it's very clear we don't have the whole story and it's like
[00:51:53] you know there was more to that conversation but they just cut him saying that a little bit
[00:51:58] so I want everyone to just give the due to break oh yeah no I 100% agree
[00:52:02] please read this book and I know too many people that have been but
[00:52:06] they give us the full title of the book again by the way so the full title I'm actually going to pop
[00:52:10] off this sleeve because it's a very pretty sleeve but it does not help so the book is called
[00:52:16] Selena Komola Flore by Joan Nick Potowski and it is a beautiful book that really
[00:52:24] to and I say beautiful in the sense of that it does a really good job of encapsulating the time
[00:52:30] period in which she was coming up with a lot of just historical facts just things that actually
[00:52:37] happened the record deals they signed the things that were going on that were publicized you know
[00:52:44] that they follow yeah because there was archives of what she was doing from a very young age
[00:52:49] the dad was doing when he was opening the restaurant all of these things that are facts that he was
[00:52:53] able to you know put together so the people can better understand what was happening on top of
[00:52:58] the fact that if you really want to understand the breadth of his research when putting together this
[00:53:03] book um you can go to the Whitlift collections at Texas State University in San Marcos and ask for
[00:53:13] or ask to look at the Joan Nick Potowski archives because he donated interviews with Laura
[00:53:19] Canales interviews with some of the biggest stars that unforeseen who have passed on
[00:53:25] others which was at a very particular point in time when he was doing these interviews for
[00:53:30] this particular book so you can kind of understand where he comes from because it just really sucks
[00:53:36] that unfortunately he just kind of got got caught in a spot where it's like yo I'm a historian
[00:53:42] I'm assuming other historians are getting called for this I'm assuming you're going to use more
[00:53:46] my words yeah I'm gonna get a spoon and the fact that they used him as a character like for
[00:53:53] historical purposes at the beginning makes so much sense because again it comes from a dude who did
[00:53:58] the research is it cool that it was abolio no but in regards to the archiving and preservation
[00:54:04] and historian space there are more gringos and more white people who represent our culture than
[00:54:11] ourselves because either they want us to have a degree so they have they have like they have the
[00:54:17] goalpost and the goalpost is okay we want you to have a degree well you have to have experience
[00:54:22] talking about these things for xyz okay you have to have a dissertation I like they're they're
[00:54:27] gonna make a whole bunch of different words well it's not just that but one thing that's
[00:54:31] I think important to understand is that until the past let's say 10 years until the past like 10
[00:54:36] years or so it was not uncommon and they wouldn't say why it is that they would pick the white names
[00:54:44] first to put things up and so the idea of having white historians looking into people of color
[00:54:49] hey it was important that somebody was keeping track of it nowadays especially in the past 10
[00:54:54] years it's that's really flipped 100% and it's become a lot more like why are you having a white
[00:54:59] person cover this why not have somebody from that culture cover it but like that was not a
[00:55:02] discussion in the 90s that was not even a discussion in the early 2000s and the odds it wasn't a
[00:55:06] discussion it should have been talking about what it took and look at the demographic for oxygen
[00:55:13] look at the fucking demographic for oxygen it is those girls that you know who are murder mystery
[00:55:19] fanatics yep um who you know that's who they're catering to so why would they put a brown face
[00:55:26] in front of them talking about history i'm going to tell you right now they were probably having
[00:55:30] a hard time as it is trying to find a brown historian to begin with who yeah to back that up remember
[00:55:38] like one thing to keep in mind when I was in film school when I was in film school we thought we had a
[00:55:43] whole thing about documentaries right love documentary film but the one thing we talked about was
[00:55:47] like you guys know even new stories documentaries whatever it is they skew a certain way you're the
[00:55:53] one that directs that story right period and this one here was literally like you said feeding
[00:55:59] into that need of like oh there's something dark and hidden here no bitch it's just fucking she
[00:56:05] killed her like there's no way to go any further like when they said oh my god she's gonna tell us
[00:56:10] some untold secrets oh my god is she gonna tell us that she shot Selena bitch we already knew
[00:56:18] that like what did it happen this is anyone who's who is worried take this out no tell me tell me come on
[00:56:24] how blatant right we're all writers here we're all creators here we understand
[00:56:28] how things reality TV everything gets kind of maneuvered and controlled right there is a scene
[00:56:33] that as soon as it happens my skin crawled and i was like oh this is disgusting because there's
[00:56:40] there's a there's a scene where it's like the nieces and the nephew my mic think oh with that professional
[00:56:45] here um they're at the table with paperwork stacks the people were like like they're investigating
[00:56:51] they're like oh my god what's this a red envelope comes out it goes salina secret or the doctor's secret
[00:56:58] I forget what the fuck it said it literally said salina secret or the doctor's secret on it a red envelope
[00:57:06] what is this do you think this is the the secret that you're allowed to have and they go oh my god
[00:57:12] and they open it up and i'm like oh my god they open it like it's like a little
[00:57:17] I want to say like i post just postage stamp size little fold out card that says
[00:57:23] comucho amor de tu amigo doctor whatever the fuck
[00:57:28] and oh well i wouldn't say i'm more to a friend
[00:57:34] bro have you not met a mexican have you not met a mexican in your whole ass life who speaks
[00:57:41] my wife were like what the fuck are we watching it she's like making a way it is it's
[00:57:47] so not being chitelo novela and so and i got something no no no no no no no we're telling the
[00:57:53] ledger like comparing them to this watch it i have to pay for pica to watch it i was like
[00:57:58] I have to pay for this and she's like yes pay for it that's like fuck all right here we go
[00:58:04] i want you all to understand this bitch is not getting out that family has attorneys upon attorneys
[00:58:11] upon attorneys who are going to literally go to the parole board they know how to structure because
[00:58:18] at the end of the day a parole hearing or a hearing to get parole is truly like this is so fucking
[00:58:25] wild for this podcast this this went everywhere it went from we go from border politics to now the law
[00:58:32] so i am a philosophy of law student there you go everybody everybody needs to be right there
[00:58:40] veonique you want to give me you want to contact you got it i'm not a lawyer please do not hire me
[00:58:45] everything a person has told me that if by some miracle she does get parole she needs to change
[00:58:51] your name get facial reconstruction surgery and move to Europe that's like she was crying
[00:58:56] that they were worried about poisoning her and her family was worried about being poisoned at
[00:59:01] taco places we were going to Mexican restaurants bitch i hope you get food poisoning two times
[00:59:07] we will be scared to grow to a Mexican restaurant because people were like maybe maybe they're
[00:59:12] going to poison us and i was like oh shit the fuck i'm nobody knows who you are i mean really
[00:59:17] this is the thing that the family has really made a point i think they thought they were doing
[00:59:20] something i think that they thought that they were doing something because look at what happened
[00:59:24] with gypsy rose and you know you have this narrative of and again totally different circumstances
[00:59:31] totally different circumstances but you have like this this rehabilitation of a murderer
[00:59:38] and the image of a murderer and you know when everybody knew from the beginning should not have
[00:59:43] been what it was yes but it was still murder so like it was straight up still murder but there's so much
[00:59:50] yeah it was to murder her mom's dead yeah you're not wrong like it's still murder but at the end of
[00:59:57] the day you know yolanda is not in that same place no number one number two the biggest deal and
[01:00:05] the biggest difference between gypsy rose and yolanda salivar is that one of them expressed
[01:00:11] fucking remorse this bitch is making it really easy to make a case against her for having expressed
[01:00:20] no remorse for the taking of a life and not seeing where they had fault and so that is a lot
[01:00:28] of like the biggest things with with like even getting released early the last five minutes
[01:00:34] of documentary is when she says yeah it happened the gun went off and she's dead like that's it but
[01:00:43] the fucking three and a half hours that you watch she's like Abraham was threatening me I was scared
[01:00:48] I needed a good one thing really quickly on the family is that there's one need to make
[01:00:54] there's one needs in particular who is spotlighted and she makes a comment early on of like
[01:00:59] um other family members didn't want her to do this but basically it's not the family that's
[01:01:06] backing her up it's like these couple people here the rest of them is like nope we don't know her
[01:01:11] never heard of yolanda don't know her you know I'm telling you the last three they were out of the picture
[01:01:15] green G there were family photos they're like yeah was that no clue it was so green G man you sit
[01:01:21] there and you're like what are you doing oh look it's the secret this is it oh and I
[01:01:28] 'm like oh man at school people would look at me weird and it's like they should like you got
[01:01:34] your d has fucking nuts she killed Selena what do you want you know I knew one one good takeaway
[01:01:38] from this and I'm thinking to myself man there should really be a big Hollywood movie about about
[01:01:44] Selena and about what happened to her and I feel like that'd be the kind of movie that could
[01:01:47] really make some careers Kevin Garcia wait no mommy no mommy no my man's
[01:01:57] I'm gonna turn them apart I love you I will say you want to you want to get a very big understanding
[01:02:05] about Selena personhood and just how complicated of a person that she was I would say read
[01:02:12] read Chris's book read Chris better says book to Selena with love it's not that she was a
[01:02:18] bad person and no point does this man ever talk shit about this woman this woman is the love
[01:02:23] of his life but it really starts to come home to you within like her in a relationship with someone
[01:02:31] other than the family that is preserving her image that she was a complex woman and a woman
[01:02:38] who was expressing independence and identity and was right at the at literally the pinnacle of her
[01:02:44] twenties about to explore more of who she was as a person outside of her family and outside of
[01:02:50] the business that it's it breaks my heart reading the book because you really feel for him
[01:02:57] you you understand what got taken from him I would also suggest again you want to understand the
[01:03:03] breadth of what surrounds that the hano culture and just overall that time period I would
[01:03:12] read that you would read what oh the johnic ask me book comola floor um but yeah those those two are
[01:03:21] definitely like they they give you a good idea and then the other thing was is anything for
[01:03:25] Salinas a podcast and all of the crazy shit that happened as she was getting famous when she
[01:03:33] passed away and I still have beef with Howard Stern at me bitch like maybe next time don't talk shit
[01:03:41] about Mexicans and then throw out some like bullet sounds maybe don't yeah and that and he did
[01:03:47] that when she passed away and guess and guess who on national television was fighting for her ass
[01:03:54] Linda ronstadt Linda ronstadt called called them bitches out for that shit and their racist crap
[01:04:00] so yeah like there's a lot of beef that comes and the politic that comes with it but the last
[01:04:05] episode is with um of that podcast is with Chris bettis this is many years after that book came out
[01:04:13] and he talks about you know he talks a little bit more about some of the things he didn't talk about
[01:04:20] in the book and just you know how how much of a lively person that she was but just how how crazy
[01:04:28] that is when when you live a life that that is that fully free um when you're in a certain type of
[01:04:34] lifestyle and you know it really becomes clear that you know they were they truly were a match for
[01:04:39] each other at the time and we don't we don't know what could have been especially because it got
[01:04:45] taken and so you you see the remnants of of an entire industry that you know just me personally
[01:04:54] I say that the Hanoh music is still very much alive and well you know from the time of Selena when
[01:04:59] there are only five maybe six females that were active now you have 20 plus you know her impact is
[01:05:07] is felt maybe sometimes not in the ways that we all want in the Hanoh music industry but it is
[01:05:12] felt and and I would urge everybody fuck that ho do not watch this documentary these guys did it
[01:05:21] for y'all but I would just say yeah they watch so you don't have to it is a bunch of bullshit
[01:05:28] there's nothing new in it um you want actually if you want a cliff notes version of that you can just
[01:05:34] buy the shitty book by Maria Elena which is a journalist from Mexico who really like went hard on all
[01:05:41] of the shit that Yolanda said and then almost got sued by the Quintanillas and then tried to make her
[01:05:46] own show on Theravisa so like trust me they have been trying to commodify and
[01:05:52] and just continue to get money off of her death for years now and the Quintanillas have not been
[01:05:59] cool with it it give you 100% what you're saying yeah you said we watch this so you didn't have to
[01:06:05] it's a conversation because obviously it's out there but it's not worth your time nothing in
[01:06:10] there is gonna gonna change your opinion nothing in there is going to justify what happened
[01:06:16] and I think my question that I have does change your opinion please seek other sources as well it is
[01:06:22] extremely one sided yes extremely like there's no way there's no way that you're gonna sit there and go
[01:06:29] ah and like I said I don't know who who in their right mind folded on who that this was the right idea
[01:06:37] but I'm gonna tell you right now if y'all are worried if you guys are so worried that Yolanda's
[01:06:42] gonna get out right to the parole board if you're that fricking worried right to the parole board
[01:06:47] they do take public comment by the way just figure it out but there is you know the community can
[01:06:54] yeah that this bitch should just stay in jail um but the family is also on it they have been on it
[01:07:00] they have been on her ass every time she tries to come out of her little solitary confinement
[01:07:06] her little whole of solitary confinement and so you know just just live with the fact that
[01:07:12] you know if you're that passionate about it and you are that concerned do something about it in the
[01:07:17] sense of be active right the parole board figure out ways to to do that but otherwise I'm gonna be
[01:07:24] super honest with you that woman is not getting out and I think she's fully aware of it so she's
[01:07:27] just trying to make money for commissary so you know yeah at somehow I don't know definitely
[01:07:36] one thing I wanted to touch on was Tejano so done on music you know
[01:07:41] me the genre itself right I only knew it growing up in NLA because of Selena and Johnny
[01:07:49] Canalis right they came on TV and that's the only time I ever heard that and the reason I'm bringing
[01:07:56] this up is because like you said the genre itself is still budding it's still booming right it's
[01:08:00] but I guess when that occurred they literally even the media coaxed it as the death of Tejano music
[01:08:08] when that occurred and now we have yourself other performers or their singers or their musicians
[01:08:14] that are moving this along what explain to me or the people that don't know
[01:08:20] what is Tejano music as opposed to Rihonal or other type of Mexican-derived music what's the difference
[01:08:30] I mean Tejano music the big thing is that it is Roots music created in the United States as a blend of
[01:08:37] Mexican regional and you know migrant sounds of polka and things that were easy to travel with
[01:08:45] the way it started there's always contention and debate because people go oh well it started
[01:08:50] with Big Band it didn't Big Band was its own genre Latinos entering Big Band you know that
[01:08:57] that was its own thing for you know the 60s in the 70s a little bit in the 50s but Big Band sound is
[01:09:04] completely separate because the Roots of Tejano music is in Conjunto and the fact that it was
[01:09:12] stories that were told by migrants moving from town to town to town so when we think of Mexican
[01:09:17] regional as a whole Tejano is definitely a part of it it's just it's American cousin it's
[01:09:23] you know it's it's literally somebody who is related because it uses all of those sounds of
[01:09:27] Mexican regional but it has so much of the US influence of Roots music of that storytelling
[01:09:34] that you know was created through migrant work so that's why when we think of Tejano music and yeah
[01:09:39] it's Tejano you know it's because it was born in Texas but it spans throughout migrant communities
[01:09:47] so that is all of the southwest and into the Midwest and so you have Colorado Chicago Seattle
[01:09:54] California Oregon you know all of these places where there's a lot of
[01:09:57] just Texas music yeah yeah like a lot of the the big issue is that it's called Tejano which is
[01:10:04] the translated word for Texas I like to tell people a lot of the times make sure how you're using
[01:10:09] the word because one word can mean a self identifier another and another aspect of it is a music genre
[01:10:18] so know how you're saying it I think it was really funny because I had this conversation with somebody
[01:10:22] going oh you know do I call your music Tejano music I said no that like let me explain to you
[01:10:29] and and it's just when it comes to music I am not like oh my god you need to like say it this way
[01:10:37] I'm not super are you are you are I'm not I used to be that I used to be that guy what like hey
[01:10:45] punk is this you know synth is this this is this and you grow you learn that everything blends
[01:10:51] everything comes from everywhere there's no gatekeepers to Tejano to country right I mean it should
[01:10:56] there is white thing look at the beyond the other is that was a very easy gatekeepers in every
[01:11:01] community it's just dependent on whether you give a fuck and I don't well there you go
[01:11:09] knock them down right I mean I want to I brought it up because I was trying to do the country
[01:11:14] you know like oh you know what and this is the perfect segue to Dolly Parton who 30 minutes ago while
[01:11:22] we were in the midst of this of our podcastery put out a statement in regards to Beyoncé
[01:11:31] now with Dolly be considered an authority in country music what he is considered the queen
[01:11:36] of country music and we're gonna keep it that way thank you indeed I'm a big fan of Beyoncé
[01:11:44] and very excited that she's done a country album so congratulations on your billboard hot country
[01:11:50] number one single can't wait to hear the full album love Dolly everywhere she put that everywhere
[01:12:00] she didn't do a press release she just popped it into socials the woman works on a facts some
[01:12:06] one of her poor interns or family members got a facts with that message out said I want it posted
[01:12:12] at this day on this time I want it to be known to the world do not tell anyone just post it on my
[01:12:18] socials let them figure it out I'm on my facts in my mountain peace bitches and you know what
[01:12:37] as we're as we were talking about Selena and everybody keeps talking about like
[01:12:42] and I'm gonna annoy somebody very personal by saying this people keep saying could
[01:12:48] Taylor be the next Beyoncé and all I can think of is imagine the heights that Selena could have made
[01:12:54] you know what I mean and and I'm glad that we have somebody like like Beyoncé here who
[01:13:00] is being recognized by somebody like Dolly but when I think about all that that could have been
[01:13:06] and I think about that I'm like man yes but I mean we have to be realistic Selena wasn't going
[01:13:12] to go into country Selena was very much R&B pop yeah but she was that it was the top R&B that I
[01:13:18] was here so Tahano to pop that's cool yeah and so like you have to think a lot of people kind of
[01:13:26] this is where I say a lot of history unfortunately is is so sieved to one person sometimes
[01:13:35] that it is almost a detriment the case can be made for you know the fact that there was a lot of
[01:13:42] different people crossing over at the exact same time Selena was or around the same time
[01:13:48] you know we have Freddie Fender Linda Ronstadt Selena like Foucault Jimenez the Texas tornadoes
[01:13:57] um Michael Salgado who was crossing over from North Daniel to Tahano so that was like a huge jump
[01:14:04] for him he gained like he just went then we have you know Emilio Navaira the history on that that
[01:14:11] you know soon after Selena's death he made a country record it made number 12 on the top
[01:14:17] on the top you know 100 or top whatever the billboard 100 of country albums and it marked
[01:14:25] the top 50 or something like that but it hit number 12 he sold that many units of a record in
[01:14:32] the 1990s and so I think it was 95 94 95 when he when he released that record so like so much
[01:14:40] of that history though because we only focus on one person's crossover into you know R&B pop
[01:14:48] which mind you that record that she released one the song I think it's Dreaming of You was the
[01:14:56] one that that hit the hot billboard 100 and so did the the album but there was so much happening
[01:15:02] like there was so much like the Latin explosion was happening at the time and then it gained full
[01:15:07] force with Ricky Martin and Jennifer Lopez many years later so like there was a bit of a like push
[01:15:12] and pull because we're dealing with a lot of just politic about the border and a lot of
[01:15:17] politic about what is Latino what is Mexican and what can we accept and so all of that to say
[01:15:26] that when we talk about the blinds being blurred within music it's been happening for ages nothing
[01:15:33] stays in a vacuum because eventually it all gets it all starts sounding homogenous and the same
[01:15:39] and it starts being difficult to enjoy and that's why we all enjoy like we're polyjamorous you know
[01:15:46] where we jam to different stuff I could I could be I could be jamming to you know
[01:15:54] to make the salient one minute and then be like see you know both she was Galina and then go
[01:16:04] Rata de los patas like with and then going to Linda Ronsat blue by you or you know to Freddie
[01:16:11] fender waste of days like that or you know oh my god and I love that I could end my day with
[01:16:20] Scotty doesn't know and then just some of my favorite like viral stuff or like TikTok stuff is when
[01:16:25] I see like the black community discover a dope like country singer and they're like oh shit like
[01:16:32] they dig it or like white people end up finding like bad brains for the first time and they're like oh
[01:16:37] shit like I love that like introduction of of music I don't know what bad brains are love bad brains you
[01:16:43] don't know bad brains cool we gotta have a conversation offline but here's the thing is like I think
[01:16:48] why people are not taste makers people of color are because we have taste and we know what season
[01:16:56] and so because of that bad brains okay hence the bad brains definitely
[01:17:02] and so with that in mind like look I just I just read you something that literally just happened
[01:17:07] which is Dolly Parton saying y'all need a shut up and just be cool with it
[01:17:14] I say that Dolly has a secret that she isn't telling us on this beyond you're gonna have a
[01:17:22] but I'm gonna shut up because I don't know shit
[01:17:26] but in the grand scheme of things no her saying that is
[01:17:31] when we talk about the things that we as people of color have to do and I say people of color
[01:17:37] because yes it's you know Latinos make it gunels indigenous black native American like all
[01:17:44] of us all of us people of color you know we have to be co-signed by somebody at some point
[01:17:53] for it to really click in some of these decision makers heads that okay now we're being watched
[01:18:01] by another decision maker and we can't be fucking around and you know Dolly we have to admit
[01:18:08] at this point like Dolly Parton is the queen of country she literally she rarely ever speaks about
[01:18:14] anything the woman very very rarely waffles too many feathers and so for her to come out in support
[01:18:21] of Beyonce is her coming in support and I know this feels like a large leap in a jump but
[01:18:28] is a support for a lot of people of color they are going to see that and be like okay this woman
[01:18:35] does stand with people of color in the genre of country and that sounds insane to blanket statement
[01:18:42] it but are are we wrong why does she why does she need to make a bigger overarching statement for
[01:18:50] a woman that doesn't make many but you know what because she did that that's look that as I go
[01:18:57] shit like she's she it's sad that that's the society we're in right even in the bar is really low
[01:19:03] I'm gonna say she should have just right which is that what the bars are table which we don't have
[01:19:12] in whatever avenue right there's a table which we don't have a tape we don't have a chair at you know
[01:19:18] sadly but when someone at that table acknowledges us oh suddenly we have a seat you know what I mean
[01:19:23] and it sucks that we within our own community can acknowledge and recognize oh shit man this is
[01:19:28] amazing this is great and we can pump each other up and it's sad that you said we have to
[01:19:34] fight tooth and nail to have a dali pardon come out and know where and say yeah this shit is
[01:19:39] fucking worth watching you know like let's let's let's give it it's due because in my head after what
[01:19:45] Jay's Jay Z said at the Grammys you know like and after it's some stuff online and you know
[01:19:51] because I read everything about music but people are saying oh if Beyonce makes a record this is
[01:19:58] gonna be her record of the year you know but no I don't think so I think she's gonna retire
[01:20:07] I think these next three records I think the the rollout for a lot of these records is her just
[01:20:13] expressing herself yeah I think I think Beyonce will retire I don't think that at this point in
[01:20:20] her life she should have to keep performing her discography she owns all of it at this point she
[01:20:26] owns a good percentage of the masters she really doesn't have to do shit for anybody anymore she's
[01:20:31] she's opens up she's opening up new businesses of course you know she is not at the level of money
[01:20:37] that she is at I will speak as a musician myself tours cost a lot more money a lot of the times
[01:20:45] than they give back they sometimes are things that cost more than their worth and so you know
[01:20:53] yes Beyonce has a lot of money but is she gonna keep touring every record for the rest of her life
[01:20:59] nah I don't see that I see this as being an extension of what she was exploring and
[01:21:05] lemonade and the different music genres that we heard from her this is not the first country song
[01:21:11] she's done and I would like to say to everybody that this is also not the first time that country
[01:21:18] artists have covered and then country versions of her song makey guidance and reba mack entire did
[01:21:24] country versions of if I were a boy the song that came out on Beyonce's record years ago
[01:21:31] if anyone remembers that that really wild fucking music video and just that number one I think
[01:21:38] Beyonce's and that's just not maybe it's it being vulgar about it but it's Johnny Cash's middle finger
[01:21:43] to the to the Terry but like you know what fuck you guys I'm doing what I want this is me and this
[01:21:48] is it she's the drop dropping the mic moment for her as well like you said that's what I think this is
[01:21:53] one of the best headlines I saw in the news was Beyonce reclaims country music
[01:21:59] it wasn't Beyonce enters country music or both no reclaims is an important word
[01:22:05] time out the history of music I will say that it's a bit as a historian it creates some problems
[01:22:14] fair enough because we then run into the issue of overshadowing the people that came before Beyonce
[01:22:24] Linda Martell Charlie Pride you know some of these people that had to that were struggling
[01:22:31] that were grinding and people didn't realize that the first woman to be on the billboard you know
[01:22:38] charts was Linda Martell but that the industry was very different from the industry of now the
[01:22:44] industry of then was one that require that actually segregated many of the times country music and
[01:22:52] if and and the music made by people who were people of color you know black de Hanol you know in
[01:22:59] the sense of Mexican Freddie Fender's most famous album is technically was released as at the
[01:23:05] Hanol record not as a country record but made the number one on the billboard hot 100 so explain
[01:23:12] that one to me like like country is segregated I would recommend cocaine and rice cocaine
[01:23:21] and rhinestones when I'm asking this as a historian when I say that I think reclaims is important
[01:23:27] phrase I'm not saying like you said ignoring the people that came before I think the impetus here
[01:23:32] is what you were saying earlier where Dali Parton shouldn't have to come out to her defense like
[01:23:37] that shouldn't be needed and yet in today's in today's country industry there needs to be a reminder
[01:23:45] of hey there was something that came before and was there throughout but they like to pretend
[01:23:51] that for the past 20 years it didn't exist not just that but especially around 9-11
[01:23:56] that's why they've passed 20 country music definitely took on a more nationalist tone in the sense
[01:24:02] of you know where where American rare we we drink Bud Light and we kick people in the ayes and
[01:24:09] tell take my gun freedom fries and all that shit yeah free all that shit was very prevalent
[01:24:15] that's what I mean because for the past 20 years it's been a big as somebody who's not involved
[01:24:21] in country or the music industry it appears to me there's been a big push to kind of
[01:24:25] ignore or minimize the idea of people of color in the country industry oh yeah but it's gone so far
[01:24:34] that like the moment that they took and I say they take and I mean it in more than one level
[01:24:41] you know the country music industry has made a point to take sounds from people of color
[01:24:46] change them so that it fits their very bland version of what that is and then sell it
[01:24:54] but will you ever see the person of color with that same sound well one no because it won't sound
[01:24:59] like ass and number two it won't sound like reaching for the bottom of the barrel which means
[01:25:04] doing the bare minimum and number three because there is a very clear sense of who you are is not
[01:25:14] truly accepted in town many times I have been very blessed on the other hand to you know
[01:25:22] walk tall and carry a big stick and I don't really give a shit because I come from Brownsville
[01:25:30] why am I gonna care what you think of me like like bro I'm in this I'm in the most southern
[01:25:36] school in the United States what I take from Kevin's statement is the fact that people tend to forget
[01:25:42] like you said right where the culture came from it's not a white culture thing and I think that's
[01:25:51] where I take away from it because when I look at history and I read things and I go back and I dig
[01:25:56] right because I'm just consuming when you see how the the cowboy way quote unquote came about it
[01:26:02] wasn't just from white guys running around the US northern states exactly and I think that's where
[01:26:10] it's like black cowboys and and indigenous cowboys that's where it came from yeah and that's what I
[01:26:16] think I take from that statement what Kevin said is like like it's not like oh she's coming in brand new
[01:26:21] and like oh we're taking it back like to acknowledge this shit right no like it's not a white thing
[01:26:26] and I think that that's that's the overlying cloud above this right like and I grew up that way
[01:26:32] I grew up in the late inner city music and Latino music all day in San Jose so man and game
[01:26:36] gumgas all I heard but when I heard the CMT awards are on change the fucking channel because it's
[01:26:42] not for me you know what I mean but at this point you know it I'm glad that we're growing the
[01:26:49] communities growing at the kind of communities growing I'm learning about it more and more you
[01:26:53] know and Latinos and black performers are are are expanding to where they're just breaking down
[01:27:01] barriers and those stupid gates that we talk about right when it comes to music when it comes to
[01:27:05] to comic books to books to movies to TV whatever we want to do we're breaking those barriers and
[01:27:12] I'm just loving that this community is growing and I think that you know people like you but
[01:27:17] only like Kevin Garcia like you so gushed about the Kevin Garcia's out there because there's more than
[01:27:23] more than one but this one that I don't have we all have a Kevin in our life you know what hold on
[01:27:27] a second I wanted to say something a minute ago when Veronica was talking about coming in with a big
[01:27:30] stick and you're talking about growing all I can think of is when I think about her career I think
[01:27:35] about like a dragon just growing up out of out of out of somebody and becoming this this great dragon
[01:27:43] a hero for everyone to follow and that's why I'm glad that if anybody's doing a writing book about
[01:27:49] that as you dragon well I think the the biggest kind of takeaway at least for me that really
[01:27:59] wraps up you know having to have the cosine I'm fully aware of it a lot of us are but the fact that
[01:28:07] that even happened is huge it's huge for everyone it's huge for people of color yeah she
[01:28:15] she aims it at Beyonce but it is it is definitely something that is supposed to when dolly speaks
[01:28:21] it is speaking with subtext because the woman is not going to just outright say a bunch of
[01:28:25] shit it just not it's just not in her nature she's built very differently in regards to how
[01:28:30] she deals with the media but I think Taylor Crumpton wrote it best for time time magazine when they
[01:28:38] you know and she is a music pop culture and politics writer and this is the direct quote from her
[01:28:43] article about Beyonce coming into country music and it gets me very emotional so thankfully
[01:28:51] I've read it more than once so I don't get as emotional now but I hope this moves you the truth is
[01:28:58] that country music has never been white country music is black country music is Mexican country
[01:29:06] music is indigenous and I want to leave you guys with with that in regards to country music and whether
[01:29:14] you see yourself in it because that should that should really encompass if you ever felt like there
[01:29:20] was a part of it that spoke to you and you felt bad about it don't because it was taken from sounds
[01:29:27] that remind you of your family of your friends of your gatherings of you know our music
[01:29:35] and so when I say our music I talk about mine which is the handle which is Mexican it's the sounds
[01:29:42] of Mexico you know when it comes to you know black people it is their music it is the you know
[01:29:53] Rosetta Tharp and Linda Martell and Charlie Pride's and the sounds that came from a black community
[01:30:01] from the rock and roll that was created and the roots music that was created from blue grass
[01:30:07] and folk all these things came from black I mean my god Zydeco all of those sounds came from black
[01:30:13] communities and so you know each of us has a role to play in the overall community that is country
[01:30:22] it's just now we're fighting for our place and so if anyone ever tells you why do you want to
[01:30:28] see it at a table where you're not wanted um I just say pull pull a Michael Jordan and just use
[01:30:35] that you know Michael Jordan did if you guys have not seen the documentary the last dance you should
[01:30:40] there's a lot of recommendations on this podcast yeah a lot of different things so I'll make a list
[01:30:45] there's always good recommendations on this podcast everybody should listen to podcasts
[01:30:48] every day and the last dance is an amazing documentary if you want to understand how to really train
[01:30:56] your brain to use negative like reactions to best fuel a more productive mind just look at Michael
[01:31:06] Jordan my god the man went the man went through it to get through it and he he really came out on
[01:31:13] the other side I mean look at him now like you you really can't you really can't deny the sauce man
[01:31:19] there's nobody and I like you you really can't argue it and so you know I hope I leave you with
[01:31:24] with that in regards to country music that a lot of us are here a lot of us are fighting for a place
[01:31:29] to speak to stay to really make our own and you are welcome you know with us with people of color
[01:31:35] with us you know here definitely I really want to just thank you it on the again we can talk for
[01:31:42] hours like you said and I'm opening the door for you please anything you want to come on and chat
[01:31:48] please feel free we didn't get into any geek them and all your comic knowledge which I know you love
[01:31:53] to get in the geek and we got into music you know but we didn't get into the stuff off camera because
[01:31:59] we were just so excited to start which now that's that's behind the scene that's that's behind
[01:32:05] the curtain look if you guys want me back you guys just need to put in the in the comments of what
[01:32:10] did you think of this episode that you actually liked it that's it you know we don't need come
[01:32:17] back question mark question mark by the way you guys some big events that I will be at coming up
[01:32:24] really soon yeah that's a lot of by-pop fest in Austin it will be the first week of March
[01:32:32] I would buy by pop yes by pop pop yes yes by pop yeah yes at the beginning of March and then
[01:32:41] I seven eighth and ninth by the way seven thank you seventh eighth and ninth of March just you
[01:32:47] know what just have my mouth move and then just have you all say I'll put it up you know the
[01:32:51] the primus will be there too all of us will be the primus will be there too it don't eat we can do it
[01:32:56] live seven eight and nine there you go I spoke with no teeth like what the fuck was up with me I was like
[01:33:05] um but the other thing is I will be at USC University of Southern California
[01:33:15] the sounds of the Rio Grande Valley for a panel at USC University of Southern California
[01:33:23] March the 22nd so please make sure to head out then my book 13 origins dragon through all hits
[01:33:32] comic book stores march the 15th I think because I don't understand how books work
[01:33:40] the eyes of March it's the eyes of March either way the same day that my my Kickstarter ends actually
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[01:34:46] can't so if you can't finish the quarterback share with somebody else who you might
[01:34:51] yeah just put it out there people just walk about man no matter what your firm maybe from
[01:34:55] the deep south of texas the central texas are all over the world remember we're all primus
[01:35:01] let's take care of each other let's support each other and remember country music it's for everybody
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