[00:00:00] Que Ondas Primos, Primas y Primes. Welcome to My, My Primos, My Primos, My Primos Podcast.
[00:00:07] My name is Freddy. My name is Kevin Garcia. My name is Elia Maria Matrize.
[00:00:11] This is Chikuma. Whenever I can make it. My Primos Podcast discusses all things fandom and pop culture. From comics, movies,
[00:00:19] to whatever obsession we have this week. But with the Latine, Latine, my Latine perspective, remember, we're all Primos.
[00:00:25] We're all Primos. We're all Primos no matter what part of the world we're from.
[00:00:33] Here we are. Que onda! Que onda, Primos, Primas and Primes. And welcome back to My Primos Podcast.
[00:00:40] My name is Freddy. And with me tonight is my primo and yours, Mr. Kevin Garcia dot com. Say what's up, Kevin?
[00:00:47] What's up, Kevin?
[00:00:49] Man, I'm glad we got to record today because I feel like it's always something.
[00:00:56] Hey, this is the way of progress. You know, this is the last few weeks of school for me.
[00:01:01] So I'm because I'm teaching and this is the end of the semester.
[00:01:03] And it's also when I'm trying really hard to put together the Kickstarter that successfully funded a few months ago.
[00:01:10] My personal goal was to have it ready by the end of May.
[00:01:13] It's getting tight because of all the other responsibilities I've had.
[00:01:17] But on the Kickstarter, I put it be ready by August.
[00:01:19] It will certainly be ready by then. But like, I think I might just barely miss my May internal deadline.
[00:01:24] You know what I mean?
[00:01:26] Well, I'm glad we got this going because we always end up people are like, hey, what happened to the show?
[00:01:31] Like you miss a week and they think you're dead. You know what I mean?
[00:01:33] No, no, no, no, no. We didn't miss a week.
[00:01:36] We were giving the audience a chance to absorb the previous episode.
[00:01:41] Understood. The water cooler talk we mentioned last episode, right?
[00:01:45] Exactly. We're doing this for you guys.
[00:01:48] Because if you had episodes week after week, you just get sick of it.
[00:01:51] You know, I'm done with these guys.
[00:01:53] Yeah. See how many podcasts are out there that go weekly and you're like, OK, it's good.
[00:01:58] But are they Primo's good?
[00:02:00] Oh, are they Primo?
[00:02:03] That's the answer.
[00:02:04] The Primos are Primo.
[00:02:06] Primos are prime.
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[00:02:41] You know, as we talk, as we say that, if you have like an indie comic,
[00:02:45] indie movie and indie video game, we want to hear about it.
[00:02:48] I dig the indie stuff.
[00:02:49] There's like so much originality that just pops out of the Indiesphere.
[00:02:53] Definitely. I mean, that's where we spur our stuff from, right?
[00:02:56] Like we love the indie because there's so much freedom.
[00:02:59] There's a there's a good overlooked.
[00:03:01] And then we talk about hero to hero.
[00:03:03] What is it movie and superhero fatigue?
[00:03:06] But yet when we look for the indie, that's where we get that.
[00:03:08] Oh, that burst of new that I know that's never been done before.
[00:03:11] A reinterpretation comes from.
[00:03:14] There you go. Fresh blood.
[00:03:16] But tonight, Kevin, we are going to talk about something old yet new.
[00:03:21] And also not in the at all yet at all experimental at times.
[00:03:26] Definitely. Kevin, what are we?
[00:03:28] And you're a fan of this more so than I am.
[00:03:30] I'll say that. What are we discussing tonight?
[00:03:33] You know, I am indeed a fan.
[00:03:35] I have loved the Planet of the Apes since I was a small simian.
[00:03:40] And, you know, I watched all the old movies.
[00:03:43] I remember one night there was like a marathon.
[00:03:47] My little brother and I, I think I was in high school
[00:03:49] and he was like probably middle school.
[00:03:50] We found out there's a marathon.
[00:03:51] So we just stayed up and watched all the movies in a row.
[00:03:54] And when we thought they were going to be done,
[00:03:55] they started putting episodes of the TV series.
[00:03:57] We're like, oh, OK, we're still here.
[00:03:59] We're going to keep going.
[00:04:00] Yeah, I remember the series.
[00:04:03] Oh, my parents loved the planet of the simios.
[00:04:07] This was their shit like they loved it.
[00:04:10] And my mom really was like my mom was so cool, man.
[00:04:13] Like thinking back, right?
[00:04:15] I don't know where it is when you're younger.
[00:04:16] You don't really notice these things, right?
[00:04:18] You kind of go like, oh, why are we watching this weird guy in a mask?
[00:04:21] I want to watch like Power Rangers, cool people in masks, you know?
[00:04:26] But there was something there and there was depth to Planet of the Apes.
[00:04:30] And even in Spanish, when you would see the actors,
[00:04:32] you know, kind of the dub for it, it was it was deep.
[00:04:35] And my mom loved it. And she would bring stuff home.
[00:04:38] She would bring some like.
[00:04:40] Even to this day, she'll gift me.
[00:04:42] She gave me a box set of the Brady Bunch.
[00:04:45] She gave me a box set of Gilligan's Island.
[00:04:48] She gave me a box set of what is that?
[00:04:52] Where is it? I have a whole thing. Partridge family.
[00:04:55] And also, she's all about these old school 70s shows.
[00:04:58] Were raised on the classics, and that's what's important.
[00:05:01] And looking back at it, you can kind of go and say, well,
[00:05:04] like I tell my son, what can we take from it? Right.
[00:05:07] What made it good at the time?
[00:05:08] What made it so bad that now it's good?
[00:05:10] And also, that's the planet of the Apes kind of falls in that minutiae.
[00:05:15] Right. Because there's there's a lot of depth there. Very.
[00:05:20] How would you describe the planet of the eight series in general?
[00:05:25] It's camp, but it's camp with a very strong social satire bent.
[00:05:33] Definitely that, because when you look at sci fi,
[00:05:35] we've talked about it before.
[00:05:36] That's that avenue of like horror and sci fi
[00:05:39] where we get to play with those social conversations.
[00:05:42] You know, X-Men that we talked about last time, it's always been a kind of
[00:05:46] in your face about the inequality with that.
[00:05:49] But the planet of the Apes, I always thought about it like I was a kid.
[00:05:53] I was like, I would sit there and kind of watch as my parents were.
[00:05:55] I'm like, this seems so scientific,
[00:05:59] so so beyond me that I just my brain couldn't couldn't grasp it.
[00:06:04] And it took to this age or now I look back and I enjoy those old films.
[00:06:09] And in the newer ones, you know, like the the newer set,
[00:06:12] we're going to talk about here, this new trilogy that they're trying to
[00:06:14] to rebuild for the planet of the Apes series.
[00:06:16] But everything from Charlton Heston days, astrology maybe.
[00:06:23] Because I have my thoughts about the new film,
[00:06:24] which I don't know if we're going to lead off with that.
[00:06:27] Well, I mean, let's do a little bit of both.
[00:06:29] I mean, let's start with with your background.
[00:06:31] You said you did get introduced these a lot as a kid. Yeah.
[00:06:35] Again, I've rewatched the originals over and over again.
[00:06:38] What what do you remember from those?
[00:06:40] What stands out from those early movies?
[00:06:44] So for me, obviously, it felt very.
[00:06:49] Like of the times, right?
[00:06:51] We're talking like Spartacus type type vibe.
[00:06:55] You know, it's always about the Charlton Heston kind of sticks in my brain.
[00:06:58] He was the one, you know, damn dirty apes, all that.
[00:07:01] And in his Spanish laugh in the first one, man, like his crazy, crazy laugh.
[00:07:06] This thing I remembered in Spanish.
[00:07:08] Because it was all CEOs lost to him.
[00:07:11] And I get that whole like passion behind it.
[00:07:14] And then when they're having conversation at the apes walking around
[00:07:16] in conversation, it just kind of like my brain was like, why are these people?
[00:07:21] I guess the people are the animals and the animals are in charge.
[00:07:25] And my brain as a kid was like, what?
[00:07:27] But moving forward and then when they announced, what was it?
[00:07:32] Tim Burton version,
[00:07:35] I was like, huh?
[00:07:37] Mark Wahlberg and Tim Burton making an apes movie.
[00:07:40] I actually know somebody who had a pretty big role in that movie.
[00:07:46] Oh, it was a big like literally like like a big.
[00:07:48] You know what? Yeah, literally.
[00:07:50] But yeah, Kevin Grievous played one of the general,
[00:07:54] actually the general gorilla.
[00:07:56] And I've known him for quite a few years.
[00:07:58] So it's kind of like, oh, cool.
[00:08:00] It's kind of funny when I watch the movie, I'm like,
[00:08:01] that's Kevin's voice.
[00:08:03] I was like, yeah.
[00:08:05] Well, you you are more in them.
[00:08:07] Do you say you've watched all of I've watched a lot of them
[00:08:10] and throughout the sporadic stuff, like people back in L.A.
[00:08:12] would be like, hey, they're showing the apes films at the,
[00:08:15] you know, Alexandria downtown.
[00:08:17] And we'll go watch the apes for like four or five hours, you know?
[00:08:19] So let me let me break down the timeline and maybe that will help
[00:08:22] the discussion. All right.
[00:08:23] So we got our initial plan of the film, which, by the way,
[00:08:26] is based on a short story that I think was in French originally.
[00:08:29] Yeah. And in the original story,
[00:08:32] it was very similar to the to the basic plot.
[00:08:35] But the apes had a essentially modern 20th century level of technology.
[00:08:39] They had helicopters and so that.
[00:08:42] But in the first movie, they have Charlton Heston,
[00:08:45] you know, being an astronaut who took off in a spaceship.
[00:08:48] And the whole plan was they were going to be put in cryogenic freeze
[00:08:52] because we can take that long to get to the next star.
[00:08:54] And his whole setup, which I really liked, was that
[00:08:57] he just hated humanity.
[00:08:59] So he didn't become an astronaut to be a scientist.
[00:09:02] He didn't do it to explore the stars.
[00:09:04] He did it to get away from humans.
[00:09:05] I just said the weirdest premise.
[00:09:09] Tell me before you jump in, right?
[00:09:10] The next one.
[00:09:11] At what point?
[00:09:12] Because this is where my brain started loving it a lot more
[00:09:15] because I love. Time travel.
[00:09:19] I love time travel stuff, right?
[00:09:21] So get into that for me, because I feel like that's something
[00:09:23] that gets overlooked.
[00:09:25] So I just want to establish that first, then we'll run
[00:09:26] through the rest of it quickly because because I agreed.
[00:09:28] So the whole premise, of course, that he thinks it's been thousands
[00:09:32] of years and it has been thousands of years and that they're on alien planet.
[00:09:35] Of course, we all know the big twist at the end, you know,
[00:09:37] that turns out the ship had done a U-turn coming out all the way back.
[00:09:40] But by the time they landed, apes are in charge.
[00:09:43] And of course, you know, shenanigans.
[00:09:45] So that's exactly all the other astronauts die one way or another.
[00:09:49] Some killed by apes, some just by accident and so on.
[00:09:53] But the next movie, Charlton Heston did not agree to be part of it.
[00:09:57] They said, could you at least film like one scene?
[00:10:00] So he said, fine. He'll film a couple of scenes and that's it.
[00:10:02] So he's in like 10 minutes total of the sequel.
[00:10:05] But they have they hire an actor to basically be his character.
[00:10:08] And the premise is that his astronaut, sorry, his spaceship
[00:10:13] was sent to go find the first one, which is ridiculous
[00:10:15] because we were told flat out the reason Charlton Heston sign up
[00:10:18] for this was because he knew he'd never be found
[00:10:21] and he was happy with that.
[00:10:22] So why would they go looking? It's ridiculous.
[00:10:24] But whatever he goes looking for him
[00:10:26] and they could have just recast Charlton Heston
[00:10:28] to notice whatever.
[00:10:29] And in that one, we find out this is going to be relevant later
[00:10:32] that there are humanity at this far as we know are mute
[00:10:35] and not able to process thoughts more than a modern chimpanzee could.
[00:10:39] Right. Sure.
[00:10:40] But we find out that there are humans that have for thousands of years
[00:10:45] lived in bomb shelters, essentially having their own little secret society.
[00:10:49] And over that time, they've kind of forgotten
[00:10:52] what human culture was like.
[00:10:53] All they really remember is that the bomb is important.
[00:10:55] That's all they really remember.
[00:10:57] And of course, that one famously ends with blowing up
[00:11:00] the entire earth with a single bomb, which you got to wonder
[00:11:02] when it comes to doomsday weapons, is this really a good idea?
[00:11:05] But, you know, whatever, I don't I'm not the government.
[00:11:08] I mean, later on, instead of a bomb, we have a virus.
[00:11:11] So well, I have a theory on that.
[00:11:14] We'll get to as my own headcanon.
[00:11:15] So if that's that's beneath Planet of the Apes is where we find
[00:11:18] the humans living underground, right?
[00:11:20] Yeah. Earth blows up.
[00:11:21] And then the next one escaped from Planet of the Apes.
[00:11:24] We're now from the 60s into the 70s now
[00:11:27] in escape from Planet of the Apes, Cornelius and his wife and third ape,
[00:11:30] who is a red shirt of the apes.
[00:11:32] We know he's going to die.
[00:11:33] Yeah. Get into the second spaceship,
[00:11:36] which they are not only able to rebuild,
[00:11:38] but are able to get it to go back in time.
[00:11:41] Three thousand years.
[00:11:42] How we go. Don't worry about it.
[00:11:44] They just did. OK.
[00:11:46] But when they go back in time, they become celebrities.
[00:11:49] We like look at the talking apes. It's really cool.
[00:11:51] Yep. I remember that.
[00:11:52] But the government drugs them.
[00:11:54] And this is where we get a lot of social commentary in the first two.
[00:11:57] But these are where they get more like pointed in their commentary
[00:12:00] on like modern day humanity.
[00:12:02] And they drug the apes to get them to reveal the truth.
[00:12:05] And they give the history up to that point.
[00:12:09] And in their version of history,
[00:12:11] about 300 years from the point of where they're at, several hundred years,
[00:12:15] there is a virus that kills off all the dogs and cats.
[00:12:19] So naturally, all humans say,
[00:12:20] I want to adopt a gorilla because that's what you would do
[00:12:23] if you didn't have a dog or cat. You'd adopt.
[00:12:25] I would go parrot or iguana.
[00:12:27] They went straight to gorilla.
[00:12:28] So so all so now there are gorillas and chimpanzees
[00:12:33] and orangutans all over the earth that have been adopted by humans.
[00:12:37] And they said, hey, since they have hands,
[00:12:40] let's teach them to be servants without pay.
[00:12:43] Use your own terminology there.
[00:12:45] So that happened.
[00:12:46] And then after decades or however long it was of the apes
[00:12:51] now being these servants, one ape develops the ability to talk and says no.
[00:12:57] And that ape's name was Nettor or something like that.
[00:13:01] Nettor, I have to remember the name, starts with an N.
[00:13:04] Anyway, so that happened.
[00:13:05] Well, the humans are now worried, oh, no, this is our future.
[00:13:09] We better kill these apes.
[00:13:10] So the apes escape, but one of them is pregnant, obviously.
[00:13:13] And she gives the wife is pregnant.
[00:13:15] So she gives birth and she names her child Milo.
[00:13:18] Just go with it. He's Milo, trust me.
[00:13:21] And they shenanigans die.
[00:13:23] And then the baby ape Milo gets raised by a circus chimpanzee because why not?
[00:13:28] Right now we get to our next movie, which is honestly my favorite of the set,
[00:13:32] which is conquest, isn't it?
[00:13:33] Planet of the Apes. Yeah.
[00:13:35] So this is one that is really hard on the social commentary.
[00:13:38] Possibly riot.
[00:13:40] Yeah, literally like, all right.
[00:13:42] Possibly due to the time travel,
[00:13:45] instead of the ape and the virus thing happening 300 years later,
[00:13:48] it happened within the next 20 years.
[00:13:51] And somehow within that 20 years, not only did all the cats and dogs die,
[00:13:56] but there were enough chimpanzees, gorillas and orangutans
[00:13:59] that every person on earth could have a pet.
[00:14:02] So I don't know how it's immediately like, OK, though, like
[00:14:05] immediately. Yes. Like it was like, you know what?
[00:14:08] We're not going to wait a few hundred years for this.
[00:14:10] It's just going to go straight to slavery.
[00:14:11] All right. I can't with my dog.
[00:14:13] Here he is. Like, he's always here because I'm recording.
[00:14:16] That's this whole thing now.
[00:14:17] Like, I can't imagine out of nowhere is having a chimp.
[00:14:21] I would freak the fuck out.
[00:14:22] I like your like my dog's not around anymore.
[00:14:24] I better adopt an orangutan.
[00:14:27] Not like that.
[00:14:27] Like, I'm serious. I couldn't get fish or whatever.
[00:14:31] No, no, no comment on the Fisherman's iguanas or anything else.
[00:14:34] Anyway, so that we find out that Milo
[00:14:38] has been raised in the circus by a very nice Ricardo
[00:14:40] Montalban, who has renamed Milo Caesar.
[00:14:44] Why? It's not really important.
[00:14:46] All right. I'm mixing my franchises.
[00:14:48] Exactly. Well, we're getting to that.
[00:14:49] So he renames him Caesar. Right.
[00:14:52] And Caesar then can always talk or pretends he can't,
[00:14:57] but eventually is able to
[00:15:00] convince the apes who are, again, very simplistic,
[00:15:02] but developing to revolt against humans.
[00:15:04] We get that giant riot.
[00:15:05] And at the last scene of the episode,
[00:15:08] Caesar's ready to kill all humans, Magneto style. Right.
[00:15:11] And then his girlfriend, Chimpanzee, is the first
[00:15:14] non-futuristic ape to talk.
[00:15:17] And she says no.
[00:15:19] So instead of the first word, no, being telling humans,
[00:15:22] I won't do what you tell me to.
[00:15:23] It becomes her saying, don't become a murderer.
[00:15:26] So that's interesting. It changed.
[00:15:28] The timeline changed.
[00:15:30] And then we get my least favorite of the set,
[00:15:32] which is Battle for Planet of the Apes takes place 20 years later,
[00:15:34] just like with the previous movie where
[00:15:38] the Charlton Heston didn't want to come back.
[00:15:40] So they brought a guy that looked just like him.
[00:15:41] This time there was a guy who worked for the government,
[00:15:45] who helped hunt down Caesar,
[00:15:46] but ended up befriending him at the end of the movie.
[00:15:49] But I guess he didn't want to come back.
[00:15:50] So in Battle for Planet of the Apes,
[00:15:52] they just had another guy who is his brother.
[00:15:54] You just go with it.
[00:15:56] Can't just, you know, whatever.
[00:15:57] I mean, we just want to see more apes.
[00:15:59] But then these are seen as movies.
[00:16:00] I don't know if it's just
[00:16:02] talk about I remember watching these.
[00:16:05] They're just falling apart, like the masks and the costumes aren't even like
[00:16:08] I thought the masks were pretty good for the time.
[00:16:10] I really do for the originals, right?
[00:16:13] But when we look at like the last couple of films in that first set.
[00:16:17] Yeah. So they just kept recycling the same mask
[00:16:19] and like they were like dangling off the dude's chin at a certain point.
[00:16:23] Pretty much the background apes.
[00:16:25] So Battle for Planet of the Apes is basically a low rent
[00:16:29] version of Mad Max before Mad Max was ever made.
[00:16:31] It's not good.
[00:16:32] It feels like watching a bad Power Rangers episode to me.
[00:16:36] And that is immediately followed by the TV series.
[00:16:39] And now the TV series seems to be in a new continuity,
[00:16:42] which comes off of this timeline.
[00:16:44] So now we've already got at least two timelines.
[00:16:47] We have the first timeline and then we have the second timeline. Right.
[00:16:53] What's interesting to me is that it is heavily implied
[00:16:56] and stated several times that what caused the end of the world
[00:17:00] was not the virus or the ape rebellion,
[00:17:03] but rather humans blowing each other up with nuclear bombs.
[00:17:06] But my thing on that is it is never
[00:17:10] confirmed by anyone who would know, because the people who say it are like,
[00:17:15] we worship the bomb and we know the bomb once did this.
[00:17:18] And the apes are like, well, I heard that there was an ape
[00:17:20] thousands of years ago that did this.
[00:17:22] So nobody really knows what happened. Right.
[00:17:24] So yeah.
[00:17:25] So what happened is in my head, my headcanon
[00:17:28] is that the movies that we're watching right now
[00:17:32] could be the original timeline.
[00:17:35] This could be so.
[00:17:36] So we get the virus.
[00:17:38] OK, yeah. OK.
[00:17:39] Virus. We have the apes and humans trying to boss them around.
[00:17:44] We have the wars happening.
[00:17:46] Remember that first ape I said who said no in the original timeline?
[00:17:49] He shows up in the I think second movie as Caesar's enemy.
[00:17:54] It's the same name, same character.
[00:17:57] And he he gets killed.
[00:17:58] So that first ape that said no in the original timeline
[00:18:01] is in the current reboot series.
[00:18:05] Now, of course, the series that no one the movie
[00:18:08] that no one was talking about is the one we mentioned earlier,
[00:18:09] the Tim Burton one. Yeah.
[00:18:12] It's a little weird timeline.
[00:18:15] I don't know. They really like.
[00:18:17] So here's my thing.
[00:18:18] OK, here's why I didn't enjoy that film and put it out there.
[00:18:21] Right. No, no one enjoyed that film.
[00:18:23] So why I can I can sit back and watch something
[00:18:26] and I can be what's the word objective, right?
[00:18:32] I can sit back and watch and kind of see, OK, there's a story beat here.
[00:18:35] Oh, this is a mechanism to move the story forward.
[00:18:39] You know, OK, fine.
[00:18:40] Now you kind of understand what we're trying to do.
[00:18:42] But that movie just tried so hard to almost flip
[00:18:47] the idea that the apes weren't
[00:18:50] as dominant as they actually were.
[00:18:52] They tried to downplay it so much where.
[00:18:55] The astronaut Mark Wahlberg is superman, you know what I mean?
[00:18:59] Against these apes.
[00:19:00] Well, because I mean, if you're going to lionize somebody,
[00:19:03] it might as well be a racist guy that once beat up somebody
[00:19:05] just because of his skin color.
[00:19:07] Yeah. Why does Mark Wahlberg still get jobs in Hollywood?
[00:19:10] I honestly don't understand.
[00:19:11] And nobody's whatever.
[00:19:12] That's a different topic for a different day.
[00:19:14] One thing about that movie was Paul Giamatti.
[00:19:16] He was amazing as an orangutan.
[00:19:18] Yeah, I can act.
[00:19:20] So so you talk about trying to separate it from the original.
[00:19:22] That one didn't even take place on Earth.
[00:19:24] The whole premise of the original was that, oh my gosh, it's Earth.
[00:19:28] And here they're trying to like, well, we want to surprise the audience.
[00:19:30] So it's literally not Earth.
[00:19:32] And then because they have a whole other weird origin for these apes,
[00:19:36] which again, I don't know.
[00:19:38] In every reality of these eight movies,
[00:19:41] they always go from a handful of apes to thousands or millions
[00:19:45] almost overnight.
[00:19:46] And I'm like, oh, like maybe the virus that causes them to get smarter
[00:19:50] also causes them to get really, really fertile.
[00:19:52] I don't know.
[00:19:53] But but at the end of that movie, they have the whole Abraham Abraham
[00:19:59] Lincoln scene, I guess, right?
[00:20:01] Which on the one hand, oh, I wish they would explain it.
[00:20:05] On the other hand, I don't care to ever go back to that universe.
[00:20:08] They should have just leaned into it.
[00:20:09] And I would I would have loved for Fred.
[00:20:10] He found a top hat and then we would have been like, yes,
[00:20:13] they did lean into it in that last scene.
[00:20:16] But up to the last scene, it was maybe you'll find a sexy
[00:20:19] because she's played by the girlfriend of the director.
[00:20:23] You know, and it's like, I didn't need sexy chimpanzee.
[00:20:25] I really didn't. I don't know.
[00:20:26] Just weird.
[00:20:27] And then my wife and me, like she she she loves the films after.
[00:20:32] She didn't really watch the TV series or the old films.
[00:20:36] But we talk about it and she was and right into it.
[00:20:39] That was what it was called Rise, the Planet of the Apes.
[00:20:41] Yeah. So now we have the the the the reboot series, really, right?
[00:20:45] Oh, hold on for you could dive in.
[00:20:47] Yeah. Is this a reboot of the original storyline
[00:20:51] or is this a continuation of it in some way?
[00:20:54] So what I'm saying is there's one of two ways to look at it.
[00:20:58] My head can and as of this moment,
[00:21:01] and we're going to get into spoilers for the new movie,
[00:21:03] my head can and as of this moment is that it could potentially be
[00:21:07] the original timeline that leads to the Charlton Heston movie.
[00:21:11] There is in my head, there's nothing that directly contradicts it,
[00:21:15] with the exception of nuclear bombs weren't set off.
[00:21:18] But again, we've only had word of mouth saying that nuclear bombs went off.
[00:21:22] And I think it's very reasonable that people who humanity got destroyed
[00:21:26] during the Cold War pretty much would not remember much about like everything.
[00:21:31] So it could be the other way of looking at it, which is more likely,
[00:21:36] is that this is a completely new timeline,
[00:21:39] which could could tie into the original at some point if they wanted to.
[00:21:42] All that really matters is is that it cannot possibly tie
[00:21:45] into the Mark Wahlberg movie. That's the only thing that matters.
[00:21:47] That's a good thing. That's a good thing.
[00:21:49] But I love this film.
[00:21:51] I think this is a great retelling of the story.
[00:21:53] I really love the casting.
[00:21:55] I mean, don't get me wrong and not John Lithgow.
[00:21:57] And Frank, I'm going to think that was amazing.
[00:22:00] Let's go. I will. I will watch him in anything.
[00:22:03] He is so good, man.
[00:22:05] Even the angry preacher in Footloose, right?
[00:22:08] Yeah, everybody thinks of him for Third Rock from the Sun.
[00:22:10] I think of him from Santa Claus, the movie.
[00:22:12] I think of him from Harry the Hendersons.
[00:22:14] He had so many great stuff.
[00:22:16] But this film, I think it really I don't know what it was.
[00:22:21] OK, so we dissected in a minimal sense, right?
[00:22:24] Because we can't go in depth so much.
[00:22:26] But I'll define it for you in one word. Realism.
[00:22:30] There it is.
[00:22:31] They were taking a completely fantastical concept,
[00:22:34] a silly, campy 1960s thing,
[00:22:37] played it completely straight faced and realistically.
[00:22:41] And you know what gets me is during that same time period
[00:22:43] when this came out, what are you to come out 2011?
[00:22:46] Yeah, you love it.
[00:22:46] That same time period when it came out,
[00:22:48] DC was trying to make dark movies.
[00:22:51] Marvel was trying to make their movies realistic.
[00:22:53] They were they were kind of getting into the idea
[00:22:55] of wearing colorful costumes, but they were like tiptoeing into it.
[00:22:58] Yeah. So everybody was like, oh, movies have to if they're funny
[00:23:02] or fancy, they have to be dark and serious.
[00:23:04] And this was dark and serious, but not in any kind of like
[00:23:08] way that wasn't necessary.
[00:23:10] So they took a campy story and made it fun.
[00:23:13] I made it made it feel like you could see it happening.
[00:23:18] And you still get the social commentary there, you know, like 100 percent.
[00:23:21] Oh, and we get more about animal welfare
[00:23:23] and caring for mental mental illness.
[00:23:27] 100 percent. And we get Malfoy right from Harry Potter.
[00:23:31] I mean, you have some great actors in there
[00:23:32] that kind of just go like Andy Serkis, right?
[00:23:35] And you're like, oh, shit, like amazing.
[00:23:37] The studio tried really hard to get him nominated for an Oscar
[00:23:41] in every one of the movies starring circus.
[00:23:43] They tried to get him nominated for an Oscar as a mocap actor.
[00:23:47] And the Academy never allowed it.
[00:23:50] Why would that be, Kevin? Is it because of the CG?
[00:23:53] Well, I think if you go back to 2001, a space odyssey,
[00:23:58] you would be hard pressed to find a 1960s movie
[00:24:03] that you could show to a modern audience
[00:24:06] and have them believe it was a modern movie as much as 2001.
[00:24:10] I'm not saying it's the only one, obviously.
[00:24:12] There's a lot. There's plenty of great movies.
[00:24:13] Easy Rider, a bunch of other things.
[00:24:14] But what I'm saying is, is that 2001 was the best
[00:24:19] science fiction movie up to that point.
[00:24:22] Like there were other great movies that, you know, Day of the Earth
[00:24:24] is still as a classic. I love it.
[00:24:25] I like a lot of King Kong, you know, Godzilla, of course.
[00:24:28] But in terms of like treating science fiction seriously
[00:24:32] and presenting it in a way it's realistic, 2001 was amazing, but.
[00:24:37] Did not get nominated for an Oscar
[00:24:38] simply because they did not nominate sci fi films,
[00:24:42] just by nature of being sci fi.
[00:24:45] And the same thing happened with a lot of the Marvel movies and stuff
[00:24:48] as popular as they got.
[00:24:50] Usually the biggest grossing movie of the year would get at least a nod
[00:24:54] in the, you know, film of the year or director or something.
[00:24:58] And Marvel wasn't getting those until Black Panther.
[00:25:01] And even that seemed more of just like a little like, OK,
[00:25:03] we'll let you guys have this one nomination.
[00:25:06] You know what I mean?
[00:25:07] And I think it has a lot to do with bias against,
[00:25:11] you know, sci fi, genre films, that kind of stuff.
[00:25:13] And here, even comedies, man, like
[00:25:17] I remember being a kid watching like,
[00:25:19] why the hell does Austin Powers not get a nod for best
[00:25:22] fucking movie of the year?
[00:25:24] Like for its time, you know what I mean? For its time.
[00:25:26] What's crazy is it would have 20, 30 years earlier
[00:25:30] because musicals and comedies did get Oscar nods
[00:25:35] for film of the year up until the I think early 70s.
[00:25:39] And now you'd be a hard press.
[00:25:41] There's there's a couple of comedies that get nominated, but very rarely.
[00:25:46] But yeah, but the film, I think this kicked off
[00:25:49] the new era of the Apes films and it was a great start.
[00:25:53] Franco was in the film, whatever he did his job.
[00:25:56] But really, the story was well written.
[00:25:59] The performances from Circus and the other people
[00:26:02] playing the Apes, if you will, and even
[00:26:04] just.
[00:26:06] Surrounding, you said surrounding it with so much realism
[00:26:09] that we were in a time and place where this could really happen.
[00:26:13] This is potentially can really happen.
[00:26:15] Could you imagine a worldwide pandemic that just spread
[00:26:18] via people coughing and not taking proper precautions like
[00:26:22] hell, you say sounds fantastical, right?
[00:26:25] But like it could happen today. You never know. Right.
[00:26:27] Think about it. I came to mind so much.
[00:26:29] I remember like during the pandemic, we were like,
[00:26:32] kind of the Apes, huh? Like literally the last scene of that movie.
[00:26:35] Literally the last thing.
[00:26:36] Exactly. Yeah.
[00:26:38] And the big thing for me, too, is, you know, we're talking about
[00:26:41] about the performances.
[00:26:42] Would you consider circus in that movie?
[00:26:46] Is he is Caesar an animated character or is he a live action character?
[00:26:51] The problem I I sat and watched this film
[00:26:55] and I knew that they took facial.
[00:26:57] You know, captions, what video games, right?
[00:27:00] Stuff like that. We kind of can appreciate the performance behind that,
[00:27:04] even though it's an animated film, let's say, even if it was a cartoon.
[00:27:09] The energy and the voice and the gravitas to that character.
[00:27:14] It I consider it almost that blending, right?
[00:27:18] That uncanny valley, I guess, when it throws you off where you say,
[00:27:20] hey, is it real or not?
[00:27:22] But regardless, just like it sticks in my mind, his performance as Caesar,
[00:27:27] like just that first verse when he says no, right?
[00:27:30] When he like, no, I get that.
[00:27:31] Oh, shit, you feel it in your bones in there.
[00:27:34] There's so many. That's what I was going to get out of that movie.
[00:27:36] They do so many callbacks.
[00:27:38] We get the first word being no in that film.
[00:27:41] You can see in a TV screen behind Franco or somebody.
[00:27:43] There is the Icarus takes off.
[00:27:45] The Icarus is Charlton Heston ship.
[00:27:48] Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
[00:27:49] Or like it's there. So ever since that movie,
[00:27:52] I thought that movie was got a post credit scene of the ship landing.
[00:27:55] Like I was waiting for that ship.
[00:27:56] You know, cool. Yeah.
[00:27:59] By the way, as I'm looking it up, I think Koba, I said a name with an N.
[00:28:03] I think it was OK.
[00:28:04] Koba might have been the ape that said no, because he's in he's in the sequel.
[00:28:09] The dog.
[00:28:11] Maybe I'm imagining it, but I recall Caesar saying no.
[00:28:14] I know you did. No, no, I'm saying no.
[00:28:16] When I say the first thing that said no in the story told in
[00:28:19] a previous series. Yeah.
[00:28:22] So basically they they did well.
[00:28:23] They do a lot of callbacks in this series to the original series.
[00:28:27] And I will say for for the first three films,
[00:28:31] the callbacks are all very subtle.
[00:28:34] So like Koba having that name, Caesar saying no,
[00:28:37] those are subtle callbacks that unless you really watch the originals,
[00:28:40] you wouldn't notice it. You know?
[00:28:42] I mean, what is it?
[00:28:44] Apes Together Stronger, you know, that's that's from the old films, too.
[00:28:47] You know, well, the old films, it was just ape does not kill ape.
[00:28:50] That was the that was the main thing.
[00:28:51] It wasn't necessarily Apes Together Stronger.
[00:28:54] But that but that still is the same sentiment, you know?
[00:28:59] I feel though, when we look back at these films like that trilogy,
[00:29:02] right, because I consider it a trade, the quality because the last film I'm.
[00:29:06] Spoilers, I'm not a fan of it.
[00:29:08] I'll be honest with you and we'll talk about why.
[00:29:10] But, you know, I'm going to say something controversial here.
[00:29:13] I don't really care for the one with William Harrelson in it.
[00:29:18] Hmm. Not because I don't not because it's not a good movie.
[00:29:21] It is a great movie.
[00:29:23] But I feel like it's basically just retreading the ground from the previous movie.
[00:29:28] It does. It doesn't expand beyond it, because it feels like we picked up
[00:29:31] the following week like, you know, like, OK, like so.
[00:29:35] So that's why I do appreciate the newer movie more than that one,
[00:29:40] even if that movie is a better film.
[00:29:42] Let's get into it, because I want to talk about it.
[00:29:44] I really want to talk about it.
[00:29:45] So this one is called The Fall of the Kingdom of the. What is it?
[00:29:49] It's just called The Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes,
[00:29:53] which the naming conventions of these movies.
[00:29:57] Here's my deal.
[00:29:58] You just said that they retreaded the same ground.
[00:30:01] A lot of things. OK.
[00:30:04] This new film here are the things that I enjoy.
[00:30:06] I guess spoilers if you watch the film
[00:30:08] or if you're not necessarily wanting to hear it come back again.
[00:30:11] We do this all the time.
[00:30:12] We we spoil halfway through and we warn you afterwards.
[00:30:15] Spoilers, here we are.
[00:30:20] I really dug the introduction of this tribe of eagle tamers of Noah.
[00:30:25] Right? No, no eagle clan, not Noah.
[00:30:27] You know, Noah and there is literally a flood at the end of the movie.
[00:30:31] So yes, there is. There you go.
[00:30:33] Yeah. Well, you know, before you continue, I want to point out real quick.
[00:30:36] I mentioned that the previous movies had subtle references.
[00:30:39] This movie has winking at the camera references to the old movies.
[00:30:43] And while the other while the other movies with Caesar had, like,
[00:30:47] very clear but subtle biblical illusions, this one has a guy named Nova.
[00:30:53] Sorry, Noah rather keep only his family surviving through the flood.
[00:30:59] So it's like exactly and literally has a foot.
[00:31:02] And having a bird help them find safety. So
[00:31:06] here's the good from what I what I had.
[00:31:10] The new clan.
[00:31:11] We saw one that was not necessarily tied to Caesar's teachings, right?
[00:31:16] And that's OK, because they're expanding.
[00:31:18] The goal is that if we're taking this as this is why I think these films
[00:31:21] hit differently when we talk about the animal kingdom.
[00:31:25] OK, if we look at the 60s, the 70s and we went to the odds
[00:31:30] into today, there's a little more heart
[00:31:33] towards the animal kingdom when it comes to situations. Right.
[00:31:36] One hundred percent.
[00:31:37] In the old movies, the whole point of the apes was to see ourselves in them.
[00:31:42] In the new movies, it's more to see humanity in the way we interact with them.
[00:31:46] Exactly, because they are their own individuals. Right.
[00:31:49] And what Caesar fought and died for
[00:31:53] and this takes place a few generations after Caesar.
[00:31:56] Give or take. Yeah.
[00:31:57] So we're looking at this this clan that has their own traditions.
[00:32:01] They have their own way of life that is not tied to what Caesar was building
[00:32:04] or doing. And I can appreciate that because it shows the expansion of the world.
[00:32:09] We talked about fallout.
[00:32:10] Remember, all fallout's only in the US.
[00:32:11] But what about the rest of the world?
[00:32:13] Right. So I enjoy the fact that they're not all under Caesar's rule or their.
[00:32:17] He wasn't that type of leader.
[00:32:18] But the that type of belief, you know, that good.
[00:32:22] No, I was going to say I've heard some other reviewers
[00:32:25] say that they thought it was unrealistic that these apes would develop
[00:32:28] and never have heard of Caesar.
[00:32:29] And I'm like, they're in L.A. Caesar's in San Francisco.
[00:32:32] There isn't exactly mass communication, but all around the world,
[00:32:35] apes are developing intelligence.
[00:32:36] So anywhere there was a zoo, they've escaped.
[00:32:39] And the idea that that sign language would still exist in this culture,
[00:32:43] just like it was in Caesar's culture.
[00:32:44] That makes perfect sense because around the world we were teaching.
[00:32:48] We've been teaching the great apes sign language.
[00:32:51] So it makes sense that I really are.
[00:32:52] By the way, I love that all the eagle clan kind of simultaneously sign
[00:32:56] and speak, not even knowing why they do it.
[00:32:59] They just do it. You know?
[00:33:01] So it makes sense. And I and I appreciate that he doesn't know Caesar.
[00:33:04] This movie was 45 minutes too long
[00:33:08] because they established they are trying to re reintroduce you.
[00:33:13] What was the last film?
[00:33:15] They're trying to almost reintroduce you to this world
[00:33:18] that we already know has been established.
[00:33:20] So twenty seventeen to twenty twenty four. That's how far. OK.
[00:33:24] So the eight years.
[00:33:26] I don't know. I don't know.
[00:33:28] I read and write. I don't fucking do math.
[00:33:31] So. This is the thing we walked in when you watched, OK?
[00:33:36] Let's just say, can we agree 90 percent of the people
[00:33:39] went to watch this film, went to watch this film
[00:33:41] because they've already watched one or of all the previous films?
[00:33:47] I am going to say.
[00:33:50] Yes, with an asterisk, OK, because I will say, number one,
[00:33:55] I think the one thing that made the previous movies so good
[00:33:58] is that they appealed to people who weren't just diehard fans of the series.
[00:34:02] Right. So there's a lot of people who watch those movies
[00:34:06] that didn't internalize them, but did love them at the time.
[00:34:09] And number two, even if they were maybe too young to watch those movies
[00:34:13] because they're young adults now or maybe because they just didn't care
[00:34:16] to watch them before, but their friends taking them over now.
[00:34:19] This movie is meant to be a new start to the series.
[00:34:22] Something that, for example, Marvel hasn't figured out.
[00:34:25] There are 30 movies in and they're like, you need to have watched
[00:34:28] all the previous movies to watch as opposed to just like,
[00:34:30] we'll catch you up. You know what I mean?
[00:34:33] And so I am OK with that.
[00:34:35] I'm used to that kind of like long form cinematic storytelling
[00:34:39] where you're going to have to like Star Trek does this a lot.
[00:34:42] They they assume that this could be your first Star Trek movie.
[00:34:45] So we want to introduce you to it as we go.
[00:34:48] With that being said, OK, it kind of you
[00:34:52] kind of are leaving behind the fan that came in from this past trilogy.
[00:34:56] Right. Assuming that this is a film.
[00:34:59] I mean, think about it. If my kids 14 years old right now, right?
[00:35:02] He didn't watch the old 70s films with me.
[00:35:04] He's watched the most recent run.
[00:35:06] And when he walked into that theater, you know what happened about it?
[00:35:09] Now we're in. He fell asleep.
[00:35:12] OK. So I'm like, hey, you and I asked him, like, what happened?
[00:35:16] He goes, there was a lull there that just there just
[00:35:21] I understood that who Caesar was.
[00:35:24] I understood that Raka, the new orangutan is kind of
[00:35:28] that still one of the last last prophets of that teachings. OK.
[00:35:32] Believes that. And my son kind of said, like,
[00:35:35] we understand that this is the world already. We get that.
[00:35:38] So we met a human now that can speak.
[00:35:41] OK, cool. Like, but it just he said that that that journey,
[00:35:45] I guess we could talk about the hero's journey.
[00:35:46] Maybe he's just too young of a person to understand the hero's journey.
[00:35:50] I really don't want movies just be using the heroes.
[00:35:53] I'm literally giving a talk at Comic Palooza in a few weeks in a week.
[00:35:57] Use as an example, somebody that doesn't use it
[00:35:59] why you shouldn't use the hero's journey.
[00:36:02] Well, here's the thing.
[00:36:02] This is one of those cases, Kevin.
[00:36:04] I do agree this movie does have a bit of the refusal to call that guy's a
[00:36:07] but and also the mentor, all those things.
[00:36:09] But I will say you go back to what the purpose of the original films was,
[00:36:14] which is satire. Right.
[00:36:15] It is pointing out things that are wrong in the world
[00:36:19] using comedy or outlandish, you know, storytelling.
[00:36:22] And in this case, there is definitely a skewering
[00:36:27] unlike the previous movies, which may have been the first one about animal abuse
[00:36:30] and then the second.
[00:36:32] Well, literally one of them is called war and it's about war. Right.
[00:36:34] Third one. Yeah.
[00:36:35] But this one, it's about religion.
[00:36:39] And the whole movie is skewering the concept of religion,
[00:36:43] not making a comedy joke out of it.
[00:36:45] But it's not like, oh, look, the apes have religion.
[00:36:47] Religion's funny.
[00:36:48] No, it's about how it is used because we as an audience,
[00:36:52] presuming you talk about the returning fans, right, have seen Caesar's rise.
[00:36:56] We know what he believed in.
[00:36:57] We know what his dream was.
[00:36:59] We know when his dream was was hurt and when he felt
[00:37:02] that it wasn't going to work and then he believes in it again.
[00:37:04] We knew all that stuff.
[00:37:06] So now 300 years later, which, by the way,
[00:37:08] if you want to take a really biblical sense to it,
[00:37:10] the Bible, for the most part, was written about two,
[00:37:13] three hundred years after, you know, or put or certainly collated. Right.
[00:37:17] Yeah. So now we have
[00:37:20] how is his belief system
[00:37:24] interpreted?
[00:37:25] We have it's clearly become religious.
[00:37:27] They have a symbol.
[00:37:28] They don't even know what the symbol means, but it was his symbol.
[00:37:31] We have one group that is saying, here's who he was.
[00:37:34] And now let's go to war because of it.
[00:37:35] You know, and then we have another group saying, well, he was so peaceful
[00:37:39] that I'm not even going to go bother trying to tell the people about it
[00:37:41] because I'm that peaceful.
[00:37:42] And it's like, so you end up with these two extremely
[00:37:45] diametrically opposed views of religion.
[00:37:48] And if we hadn't already been introduced to and seen with our own eyes
[00:37:52] what his actual life was like, that wouldn't have the same meaning.
[00:37:56] So I think that helps to have seen his life.
[00:38:01] Again, I feel like they have done that in two movies instead of three.
[00:38:03] It helps to have seen his life in order for this religious
[00:38:06] religious allegory to have the weight that it has.
[00:38:11] But if a movie and I 100 percent agree, I took it and I saw the religious
[00:38:16] symbols, I mean, it's there literally says things, Raka
[00:38:18] says things that they are twisting his words. Right.
[00:38:21] And I'm a believer and I'm not hiding.
[00:38:23] And I've always mentioned and I've had this conversation with people
[00:38:26] in public and private that it's always the manipulation of the word, right?
[00:38:29] How somebody wants to skew it in there and anything, any story,
[00:38:31] any any biblical thing, any religious thing, and we'll leave it at that.
[00:38:35] But for this film, I can understand as a film fan and as a writer
[00:38:39] and I can sit back and watch for what it is.
[00:38:42] I saw that I saw them trying to intermingle the hero's journey
[00:38:46] with a religion conversation.
[00:38:49] And then I see is designed to have these things intermingled.
[00:38:52] But the which is OK, there it is.
[00:38:55] They crescendoed.
[00:38:56] But for entertainment's sake, the way this was touted,
[00:39:01] you could have cut off a good chunk of that middle and got to
[00:39:06] the what is his name?
[00:39:08] Proximus Proximus's camp.
[00:39:11] And then we could have started learning and understanding
[00:39:13] what the deal is here.
[00:39:14] OK, let's move forward, because even Proximus's camp
[00:39:18] setting up with the other human that speaks,
[00:39:21] that was drawn out like no one having to come to terms.
[00:39:25] And the fact that what he needs to happen, he was.
[00:39:30] OK, you know, it's ironic.
[00:39:31] Although I'm a timeout,
[00:39:32] ironically, a few of the things that you say are drawn out,
[00:39:35] I felt was done too quickly.
[00:39:37] Really? Oh, please, please elaborate specifically those two things
[00:39:40] you just mentioned.
[00:39:42] The second human, I feel like should have been more of a reveal
[00:39:46] and should have been a bigger deal.
[00:39:48] Instead, he's just like, hi, I'm the second human.
[00:39:51] I can already do things.
[00:39:52] I already agree with this. Here's what's going to happen.
[00:39:54] And I really wanted more of like, oh, no, there's another human.
[00:39:57] What does this mean?
[00:39:58] Is there is there like because at this point we don't know where she is from.
[00:40:01] Right. So is there like a whole society of humans?
[00:40:03] Is there are there humans that are immune naturally?
[00:40:05] What's going on? You know?
[00:40:08] And I wish more was done with that.
[00:40:09] And then his story just ends with her story, which is fair.
[00:40:13] But like, I wish there was more to why he was there.
[00:40:16] And then the second thing that I think was rushed is
[00:40:19] Caesar is told by Proximus.
[00:40:21] See, look, she lied to you about her origins.
[00:40:24] The humans can't be sorry.
[00:40:25] Caesar says he's got Noah.
[00:40:27] Noah is told she lied to you about your origins.
[00:40:29] You can't trust humans.
[00:40:30] And he immediately goes, hmm, I can't trust humans.
[00:40:33] And it's like, I feel like that needed more of like, like
[00:40:37] Nova may she's definitely somebody who is duplicitous.
[00:40:41] It would have been good to get more of his conflict other than just
[00:40:45] you didn't tell me about where you're from because you're scared of us.
[00:40:48] How dare you?
[00:40:49] And I'm like, that is a valid reason.
[00:40:51] And we find out later her reasons are different.
[00:40:53] But but the reason that he's presented with is a valid reason to be scared.
[00:40:57] And and I I feel like that needed more developing.
[00:41:01] I feel like the betrayal of her and then him later
[00:41:05] still accepting her as a friend or whatever,
[00:41:07] or at least somebody that he can at least tolerate that.
[00:41:10] That needed more development.
[00:41:12] And by the way, you're complaining about a lot.
[00:41:14] I do have complaints, too.
[00:41:15] But my complaints, I freely admit, are more geeky than anything else.
[00:41:20] I'm talking about entertainment sake, right?
[00:41:23] Because I can sit here and we if we if me, you and the group,
[00:41:26] the circles we sit in will sit here and tear this thing apart
[00:41:29] and kind of dissect it.
[00:41:31] We'll find tons to talk about and really, oh, wow, this is this thing went deep.
[00:41:34] But when we sit down and be more interesting
[00:41:37] and need to be a little more entertaining
[00:41:38] because of the fact that let's assume because you have to.
[00:41:41] And sadly, because this is a call back to the series,
[00:41:44] it's not a standalone film, it's not touted as a standalone film.
[00:41:48] It's touted as the next generation of this line.
[00:41:51] The next beginning of the next trilogy, the beginning of the next trilogy.
[00:41:54] So it's it's safe to assume and not the only one piece.
[00:41:59] Primos, let me know at my Primos podcast at Kevin Garcia.
[00:42:03] Guion Bajo, calm.
[00:42:05] There you go. What's your thoughts on this?
[00:42:07] But you walk in going, OK, this was entertaining
[00:42:11] because I already knew what Caesar was about.
[00:42:14] Like you said, well, here we are now.
[00:42:17] Drawing the South, like we got to fill time for what?
[00:42:21] So there are also elements that I felt were told out of order
[00:42:25] in a way that would have been more entertaining.
[00:42:27] OK, we as an audience know that in the apes future,
[00:42:32] humans are unable to talk and as smart as chimpanzees.
[00:42:34] We know this. All right.
[00:42:36] If you are familiar with the franchise,
[00:42:38] but the last movie just showed you that they go mute and have trouble functioning.
[00:42:42] It didn't give you the depth of what that means. Right.
[00:42:45] And then so if you hadn't watched the originals, you might not know that.
[00:42:48] And the trailer told you flat out there is a girl that can talk.
[00:42:52] So I was surprised watching the movie
[00:42:56] that the first human we actually see is the talking one,
[00:43:00] because I feel like, yeah, it's not a surprise.
[00:43:04] But I feel like for this story to be told,
[00:43:08] we should have seen interactions with the wild humans first
[00:43:12] and then had her speak.
[00:43:14] So my friends thought it was hilarious when the ape drops the books.
[00:43:18] He's like, oh, this one talks. You know, it was
[00:43:22] it was funny. Right.
[00:43:24] But at the same time,
[00:43:26] I think that would have had more weight to the audience
[00:43:29] if we had been following the journey with them, just like I appreciate
[00:43:33] that they were reintroducing Caesar from their point of view.
[00:43:35] I also wish they reintroduced humans from their point of view.
[00:43:39] You know what I mean? Which honestly, that might have
[00:43:41] slowed it down a little bit more for you.
[00:43:42] But I think it would have made it have more impact when it happens.
[00:43:47] Why is it, though, that when we watched Rise,
[00:43:52] I couldn't get enough.
[00:43:54] I wanted more because everything there was new.
[00:43:57] Everything like even though there were so many callbacks,
[00:43:59] even though it was the same basic premise, everything was new.
[00:44:03] And and again, I pick on the Woody Harrelson movie War for not being necessary.
[00:44:07] It was a good movie.
[00:44:09] The actual battles were great.
[00:44:11] The actual the the the mental battle
[00:44:14] basically between Caesar and Woody Harrelson's character was intense.
[00:44:17] It was well done.
[00:44:19] This one.
[00:44:22] I think Proximus also should have been introduced sooner,
[00:44:24] you know, like we get a big shadow behind him.
[00:44:27] He's going to be important.
[00:44:28] And then he is a great character. He's an amazing character.
[00:44:31] I think he's a great villain.
[00:44:32] Yeah, we did the role earlier in the movie, not necessarily fighting Caesar.
[00:44:39] Sorry, I think Caesar not necessarily fighting Noah.
[00:44:41] By the way, I have a OK, so I want to get to one of my little quibbles here,
[00:44:45] which is not a geeky quibble, but like a societal quibble.
[00:44:49] OK, in all of the reboot movies.
[00:44:54] The good apes and primarily Caesar in the first three,
[00:44:57] so that makes sense.
[00:44:58] But the good apes are light skinned chimpanzees.
[00:45:03] And the bad apes are dark skinned chimpanzees.
[00:45:06] Yes. And why is it colored eyes?
[00:45:09] Yeah, well, I can get over the oh, yeah, which which, by the way,
[00:45:12] in this movie, Noah does not have blue eyes.
[00:45:14] So I'm cool with that.
[00:45:16] But but but still all of the good apes are light skinned
[00:45:19] and all of the bad apes are dark skinned in that.
[00:45:22] As much as I love the performances, the designs, that's a that's a question.
[00:45:27] Think about it. Look at Proximus.
[00:45:28] Proximus is a darker tone.
[00:45:30] Yeah, like a dark coat was a Koga was a darker tone.
[00:45:35] That's the one I was saying earlier.
[00:45:36] I started with an N.
[00:45:37] I don't know where I got a darker tone than him.
[00:45:39] And in this film, the one thing that stood out, I swear to you,
[00:45:42] I remember reading something saying, are we at this is where OK.
[00:45:48] At what point are we going to have
[00:45:51] and this is where it gets weird because I don't know where you do.
[00:45:53] We divide the line between humanity and and chimpanzee and apes, right?
[00:45:57] Why is it always a male character, a male, a male lead, a male character?
[00:46:02] But why a chimpanzee?
[00:46:04] Because chimpanzees, we always consider genetically our closest cousins.
[00:46:08] We consider them the most like us.
[00:46:10] Whenever back in the day they would dress up apes to be humans,
[00:46:12] it was chimpanzees.
[00:46:14] You know, I would love to see a planet
[00:46:16] of the movie where the main character wasn't orangutan or a gorilla or
[00:46:21] they name drop them in this movie.
[00:46:22] A given given the given the givens are the only great apes
[00:46:26] we've not seen in the final days franchise, but it's implied
[00:46:28] they also can talk.
[00:46:30] So what a little tiny given hanging out with the gorilla as our main character.
[00:46:34] But also the female ape.
[00:46:36] Yeah. Because I remember the TV series and we go back to being a geek.
[00:46:40] In this movie.
[00:46:41] No, I'm sorry. I'm with you.
[00:46:43] In this movie, the female ape is literally just the princess to be saved.
[00:46:46] That's all she is. Yeah.
[00:46:47] Yeah. She's literally an accessory
[00:46:49] in every sense of the word to to to Noah and
[00:46:55] I just feel like we're are we past that that this time in age because we're
[00:47:00] expecting these these more and I hate the word of verbiage,
[00:47:04] the more evolved form of these apes at the wrong verbiage there.
[00:47:08] The wrong verbiage. But but I am going with I'm with you on where
[00:47:12] you're going with that because you're right.
[00:47:14] Like I'm complaining about the skin tone of chimpanzees, which by the way,
[00:47:17] one weird thing that threw me off, according to the director,
[00:47:22] a proximate Caesar is a bonobo and everyone else is a chimpanzee.
[00:47:28] And do you know what bonobos are?
[00:47:31] No idea.
[00:47:32] Bonobos to most people look identical to chimpanzees.
[00:47:36] But the difference is, is that on the whole,
[00:47:39] chimpanzees are much more violent and and carnivorous, while bonobos,
[00:47:45] while they will eat meat and will fight, much more prefer finding other means
[00:47:49] of socializing. So in fact, they literally use sex as a currency in their in their
[00:47:55] culture, in their culture.
[00:47:57] And what's weird to me is bonobos, one of the things you can see about them is
[00:48:01] they often have like a split, like a split, a part down the middle
[00:48:05] of their head and several of Noah's tribe have that part down the middle
[00:48:10] of their hair, whereas, you know, proximate does not.
[00:48:14] I thought I thought the Eagle Clan were bonobos watching the movie.
[00:48:18] And I was like, oh, that's why they're so peaceful.
[00:48:20] These are these are bonobos that can speak.
[00:48:22] But according to the director,
[00:48:24] the only bonobo was proximate and what made him so different is that he was
[00:48:27] the angry bonobo. And I'm like, weird, but OK.
[00:48:32] So odd, odd choice.
[00:48:35] But but either way, no, the skin color, the gender,
[00:48:39] the skin color, the gender, the fact that we we still rely on.
[00:48:45] It just took too long to get to where it kept.
[00:48:49] OK, let's move the movie forward.
[00:48:50] Let's move the film forward here.
[00:48:52] You know, I want to go get to my complaints because I think that's part
[00:48:55] of yours, too. Let's talk about your complaints after this short break.
[00:48:59] Primoz will be right back.
[00:49:15] You know,
[00:49:29] I'm watching a play her cut.
[00:49:31] Mari Damasi game.
[00:49:43] This is a stream. She's streaming.
[00:49:45] Mari Damasi.
[00:49:55] This is amazing.
[00:49:59] OK, let me tell you about
[00:50:01] King Kong.
[00:50:02] What are you talking about?
[00:50:04] Yeah, sure. Why not? King Kong.
[00:50:06] Hi, Kevin.
[00:50:07] Hi, Elia.
[00:50:08] I just rolled up a gnome.
[00:50:10] I could see the gnome.
[00:50:12] Elia, you need to teach me how to stream.
[00:50:15] There's a planet of apes.
[00:50:16] Yeah, I didn't watch it.
[00:50:19] No, no, that's still accurate.
[00:50:20] It's 100 percent accurate.
[00:50:21] Yeah.
[00:50:24] Well, we know Elia finished up her stream.
[00:50:26] And I hope the computer something dumb.
[00:50:29] I miss you all.
[00:50:34] I love Elia's little animated avatar.
[00:50:37] Next week's episode, because I'm here.
[00:50:41] But you have to go watch anyway.
[00:50:43] No, you're good.
[00:50:44] Don't leave me. Don't leave me.
[00:50:48] Yeah, we'll let you go.
[00:50:52] All right, Primoz.
[00:50:55] Elia, man, she's all about the streaming.
[00:50:57] She you know what?
[00:50:58] As of this recording, which will launch after she's done her
[00:51:01] week of streaming, this is amazing, man.
[00:51:03] Like her, she does stuff with Diabetes Foundation, JDRF.
[00:51:07] And the first night she streamed, she raised about
[00:51:11] I want to say about close to two thousand dollars the first night,
[00:51:14] the first two hours of her streaming, her fans and her followers there all chipped
[00:51:21] in the deep and it really showed out.
[00:51:23] And every day this week, she streams two, three hours this week for this
[00:51:27] for the foundation, and she's done great stuff, man.
[00:51:30] See, it raises two questions for me.
[00:51:32] Number one, how does she do it?
[00:51:34] And number two, why is she trying to help other people?
[00:51:37] What the heck?
[00:51:39] Look at that being my helping out people helping out her, her.
[00:51:42] Why is she so amazing?
[00:51:44] Why does she have to be Elia that we all need in our lives?
[00:51:47] Well, she's the Kevin Garcia of our lives, apparently.
[00:51:50] I tried to change it. I tried to change it.
[00:51:52] Well, Primoz, we are back.
[00:51:54] Thank you guys for hanging in there.
[00:51:55] We're going to get here to the other other side of this damn.
[00:52:00] This wall, this this flood, if you will, of Noah's flood of Noah's flood.
[00:52:07] Again, I'm going to say flat out, I did enjoy this movie more than I didn't.
[00:52:11] You know, and again, I love the Woody Harrelson one, too.
[00:52:14] My only complaint is when I go back and remember them,
[00:52:16] I can remember each of the original
[00:52:18] Panadapes movies as being different except for the first two.
[00:52:20] But that's for obvious reasons.
[00:52:22] And but when it comes to war and dawn,
[00:52:26] I have trouble separating them in my memory because they're just so similar.
[00:52:29] And I appreciate this movie is very different.
[00:52:32] Where I complain is.
[00:52:36] Probably in that I wish it was a little bit closer to the series that it's
[00:52:43] continuing, all right, so what I mean by that is this.
[00:52:46] I already mentioned earlier that I wish we got to see the humans
[00:52:49] before introducing the talking one.
[00:52:51] I also wish there was way more orang-tans.
[00:52:54] There's one we get one of the wise old men of the forest.
[00:52:57] Did you stay to the end?
[00:52:58] Did you get the little sound effect, possible sound effect at the end?
[00:53:02] That's rocker, apparently.
[00:53:03] I'm not even going to worry about it.
[00:53:04] That was it was it was a non stinger.
[00:53:08] My friend complained like we waited for that.
[00:53:10] I'm like, yeah,
[00:53:12] but
[00:53:13] but
[00:53:15] as somebody who's watched this since the beginning and I saw Icarus
[00:53:19] in the second I saw Icarus in the background when I saw rise come out,
[00:53:22] I was like, oh, man, they're going to do it.
[00:53:24] They're going to bring it back.
[00:53:25] I have been waiting for that spaceship to land.
[00:53:28] So when May, you're not wrong, Nova showed up.
[00:53:32] I fully thought she was going to be an astronaut that's been in hiding for a
[00:53:38] few years, she learned not to talk because of that.
[00:53:42] Right.
[00:53:42] And when she finally said, I have a name and it's not Nova,
[00:53:46] I thought she was going to say Taylor.
[00:53:48] And the thing is, is that a lot of the audience who didn't watch
[00:53:51] the old movies would probably think, oh, it's a reference to Taylor Swift
[00:53:54] or something. And that's fine. They could have loved it.
[00:53:55] I would have enjoyed it for a different level.
[00:53:57] Right. The whole movie has astronaut imagery.
[00:54:00] They see the astronaut relief on the wall.
[00:54:02] We see the giant telescope.
[00:54:04] There's so many references to space and astronauts.
[00:54:07] And yet nothing.
[00:54:09] And then
[00:54:11] so I wish that had happened.
[00:54:12] You know, I do wish there was
[00:54:17] like we get Raka saying there's more to Caesar and then we get
[00:54:20] Proximus not believing in Caesar.
[00:54:22] I wish there was more people that have their own versions of Caesar.
[00:54:27] It doesn't have to be a variety.
[00:54:28] Could have been the same versions like I would have preferred there be more
[00:54:32] orangutans that also were keepers of the more tribes, more, more, more.
[00:54:38] Sorry, go ahead.
[00:54:40] Nothing more tribes, more different tribes to do different things.
[00:54:43] You know, the Eagle Clan and we have the other ones because that's what I
[00:54:46] wanted as well. Yeah, I was actually earnestly surprised to find out
[00:54:49] that Eagle Clan had never interacted with another clan.
[00:54:52] Again, realistically, it makes sense because you'd have
[00:54:55] groups of apes all over the country that are just near zoos and they
[00:54:58] probably separated from other apes at some point.
[00:55:00] Why was there only one gorilla in this entire movie?
[00:55:03] Like one, I would have loved to have like either a society of gorillas or at
[00:55:09] least a reference to why there was one gorilla and how wide up.
[00:55:13] So we get barely any taste of an
[00:55:15] explanation of why they move their base there.
[00:55:18] Yeah, because it wasn't they were just always there.
[00:55:21] Proximus went there
[00:55:24] and he set up shop there because he saw the vault.
[00:55:27] And that brings me to my next complaint, which is I was a little bit upset
[00:55:32] to find out there were so many humans still able to talk.
[00:55:35] But then I thought about it and I was like, oh, actually, this does tie in
[00:55:40] to the old movies in that the mutant humans that lived underground for
[00:55:44] thousands of years and had forgotten human culture to the point that they
[00:55:48] thought the bomb was God, you know, these are their ancestors.
[00:55:52] These are those humans living in the vaults that eventually just so much time has
[00:55:56] passed. That being said, I feel like the humans living in this particular
[00:56:02] vault were basically Vault Tech. They they had all the knowledge,
[00:56:06] literally all of it, nothing, nothing had been lost in 300 years
[00:56:10] of not having a society.
[00:56:11] Yeah, they're literally wearing contemporary clothing.
[00:56:14] Well, I could see the clothing not changing much because they don't exactly
[00:56:17] have the ability to develop a new style.
[00:56:19] But like language, like, you know how when you watch a movie
[00:56:23] where it's like it's been thousands of years and they're like Zardoz,
[00:56:26] you know why that movie is called Zardoz?
[00:56:28] Because they found a book that they thought was the holy text.
[00:56:32] But some of the words had been erased from the title cover.
[00:56:35] So all they could read was Zardoz.
[00:56:39] It's the Wizard of Oz.
[00:56:41] The book they found is the Wizard of Oz.
[00:56:42] So I wanted that kind of a loss of knowledge.
[00:56:46] Instead, they call the other guys and they're like Fort Wayne, Indiana here.
[00:56:50] And I'm like, they know what Indiana is?
[00:56:52] Like it's been 300 years.
[00:56:55] They have been post apocalyptic in that world longer than the United States
[00:57:01] has existed in the real world.
[00:57:02] I'm getting fallout flashbacks.
[00:57:04] Right. Exactly.
[00:57:05] Also, 300 years.
[00:57:06] So in both versions, fallout or this movie,
[00:57:10] it has been longer in the apocalypse than it had been since the founding
[00:57:15] of the United States. Right.
[00:57:17] So we don't talk the way people talked in the founding of the United States.
[00:57:21] And you could argue, oh, we have mass media now.
[00:57:23] Yes, but they don't have mass media.
[00:57:25] They just got the satellites to work.
[00:57:27] They just got them to work.
[00:57:28] Which, by the way, that's crazy that that that circuit board still works
[00:57:31] 300 years later. But that stuff bothered me.
[00:57:35] I didn't want him to say Fort Wayne, Indiana.
[00:57:37] I'd rather he say like we're in for one.
[00:57:39] Yeah. You know, like maybe that's how they say it now.
[00:57:42] Like they can still speak English, but they don't know what Indiana is.
[00:57:45] You know, it has no meaning to them.
[00:57:47] As far as they know, they're in the country of Indiana.
[00:57:49] They don't know.
[00:57:50] Or it could be Vault 105 or whatever.
[00:57:53] There was a there was a name on the side of those doors.
[00:57:56] You remember? It was.
[00:57:57] It did have a name to it.
[00:57:58] It had a name. It was the name of some fort.
[00:58:01] I mean, that fort like a naval base, I think.
[00:58:03] Yeah. But but the thing is, is that like, by the way, we keep saying fall out.
[00:58:07] I had a different thought during this because I don't play the fallout games,
[00:58:11] but I play the Horizon games, Horizon, Horizon Zero Dawn and Horizon Forbidden West.
[00:58:15] Alloy. And oh, my God, this movie is so much that like from the overgrown
[00:58:19] actually, yeah, to the whole I was watching the whole opening scene.
[00:58:23] And I like this is a literally a level of the game.
[00:58:25] You're watching. It'd be cool, though.
[00:58:27] We talk about the future like, OK.
[00:58:30] If we're going to give the apes
[00:58:33] the benefit of the doubt of.
[00:58:35] Of advancing knowledge and.
[00:58:38] You know, doing their own thing 300 years or so, I mean, they have.
[00:58:45] As I guess it bugged me because it's not like I don't want the Timbered
[00:58:48] movie where they're in another planet and they have technology.
[00:58:51] See, they were trying too hard to be different.
[00:58:53] Yeah, but there needs to be like
[00:58:55] it and they were establishing societies, I guess the cultures that they were
[00:58:58] building is their advancement from what Caesar was because they were literally
[00:59:02] blindly following Caesar or whoever was in charge.
[00:59:05] And now we have divisions, we have different beliefs, different culture.
[00:59:09] Right within within.
[00:59:11] We have the Orsodoc Cazarians and the reformist Cazarians.
[00:59:16] You know,
[00:59:18] he gets it, but
[00:59:20] we only saw one, which again, I think it's a downside to it.
[00:59:23] And maybe as we move forward in this franchise, they made money.
[00:59:26] People liked it.
[00:59:28] You know, they're going to make another one.
[00:59:29] So we'll see.
[00:59:31] I would have wanted to see division between the ape species, like maybe because like
[00:59:37] in the planet, the apes we see in Taylor's future, like 3000 years later,
[00:59:42] chimpanzees, orangutans and gorillas all live together.
[00:59:45] Right.
[00:59:46] But this being 300 years after the apocalypse, people are doing their
[00:59:50] apes are doing whatever they can survive.
[00:59:51] I imagine that they would probably self segregate.
[00:59:54] Right. You'd have chimpanzee groups.
[00:59:56] You'd have gorilla groups.
[00:59:57] You'd have orangutan groups.
[00:59:58] And it would have been nice to have seen that division, which is why I say it
[01:00:03] would imagine if we had a movie where Noah was a gorilla and because
[01:00:08] gorillas climbing is not unheard of, but it's difficult for them.
[01:00:11] So the idea that gorillas, which, by the way, are inherently more
[01:00:13] peaceful than chimpanzees, if gorillas were that that eagle tribe,
[01:00:17] that would have been really interesting.
[01:00:19] And then to have chimpanzees overwhelm them by sheer numbers.
[01:00:22] You know what I mean?
[01:00:23] That would be there's something to be said about apes and how
[01:00:28] when you really want to start dissecting it piece by piece and splitting hairs,
[01:00:32] you start looking at how the dominance of the species, right?
[01:00:35] How they're contained, they're controlled like, oh, he would sing
[01:00:39] to the birds and control them.
[01:00:40] So we're kind of going back into that cycle of.
[01:00:44] Humans thinking they're above a certain creature.
[01:00:48] And here we are.
[01:00:50] One group of apes thinks they're above the birds, which, you know,
[01:00:53] and the other groups of apes think they're above the humans, which, you know.
[01:00:57] But at the same time, it's like,
[01:00:59] wasn't the whole first movie in this franchise about not seeing yourself as
[01:01:04] above somebody else just because that's one thing I loved about the first movie
[01:01:06] with John Lutherhouse character is that it explored mental illness and
[01:01:10] mental health in such a unique way that many of these movies don't touch on.
[01:01:14] And that is that is in this movie.
[01:01:17] But did you know, is it speaking of John
[01:01:20] Luke, how he was battling Alzheimer's, right?
[01:01:22] That was the the
[01:01:24] specifically Alzheimer's.
[01:01:26] But yeah, I believe so.
[01:01:28] And please, guys, you know, but because, by the way,
[01:01:31] I got a lot of people talking, not talking shit, but I appreciate you
[01:01:33] listen because it tells me people are listening that they're like
[01:01:36] the when the fallout we were talking about, hey, Freddie, was that Ocelot
[01:01:40] monster in the games as it wasn't it goes actually there they were.
[01:01:45] And I was like, what is that?
[01:01:47] Yeah, but they weren't the hand mouth things.
[01:01:49] Yeah, because it probably is a version of it.
[01:01:51] Exactly. So I'm OK. Fine. I was wrong.
[01:01:53] I was and they told me it's not the the the CNR.
[01:01:57] It's the NCR, the new California Republic.
[01:02:00] Oh, right. Right. Right.
[01:02:01] Instead of the California Republic.
[01:02:02] So thank you for listening. But here's the deal.
[01:02:06] Yeah, thank you for calling us on our stuff.
[01:02:08] But what I was getting at, I saw something.
[01:02:11] And I don't know if it was just one of those like clickbait things saying
[01:02:13] that planet of the apes instead of the virus that spread, right,
[01:02:18] that perpetuated the virus from helping the apes, I guess, obtain more,
[01:02:23] mutate them to gain more more knowledge and become more
[01:02:28] human ask, if you will.
[01:02:30] So I was reading that there was instead of a bomb being dropped that it caused
[01:02:35] the human for Alzheimer's and those type of illnesses to spread more.
[01:02:39] Yes. Because remember, it was designed
[01:02:42] to cure that and instead it was weaponized apes
[01:02:47] and then made humans basically go back to that level.
[01:02:50] And that's why we have the humans now are basically considered to have that
[01:02:56] ailment.
[01:02:58] And that's what it's good.
[01:03:00] Yeah, no, that's something I wish they had explored more in this film,
[01:03:03] because again, I'm not going to repeat, I overall liked it.
[01:03:06] But
[01:03:08] May's character, when she says, you know, my mother taught me this.
[01:03:11] And then we see her go back to the place.
[01:03:13] She's clearly raised in that facility, right?
[01:03:16] That's where she's from. Never stated, but very clear.
[01:03:18] Right.
[01:03:19] Also very clear, but not stated, is that the person comes out to meet her
[01:03:23] in a suit, we see that suit now being scrubbed crazily.
[01:03:26] She's not allowed back in.
[01:03:27] Basically somebody had to volunteer for this mission knowing they would never
[01:03:31] come home again.
[01:03:33] But not stated, which I wish they had stated,
[01:03:36] is that it is a matter of time before the virus gets them,
[01:03:41] because we already know from what he harrass this character, for example,
[01:03:44] that eventually it hit him, even though it didn't hit every human
[01:03:47] the same speed, it hit everybody eventually.
[01:03:49] Right.
[01:03:50] So that means May by the next movie, if she's in the next movie, should be
[01:03:55] mute, like 100 percent should be mute.
[01:03:57] And it also means that
[01:03:59] Trovae Finn or whatever his name is, the other talking guy, the
[01:04:03] she was the actor's name. I always know him very well.
[01:04:05] He's a he was in everything.
[01:04:07] His Magnolia, he's shameless.
[01:04:09] He's the thing is that his character should also have a clicking,
[01:04:14] a ticking clock of when he's going to eventually lose his ability to read and
[01:04:19] speak and everything else. And the thing is, is that like
[01:04:23] I wish that had been stated out loud, like you don't say everything out
[01:04:27] loud, but I wish that part had like when the two of them are like, hey,
[01:04:30] you know, I'm on the clock.
[01:04:31] That's why they want to get you.
[01:04:33] You know, I'm exactly like I am.
[01:04:36] I agree to do this knowing full well
[01:04:38] that I will eventually become those echoes out there.
[01:04:41] And then maybe he didn't know that.
[01:04:44] Maybe I don't know where they never explain where he's from exactly.
[01:04:46] I don't explain him running away, but running away from what?
[01:04:49] Was he an underground thing?
[01:04:50] He go out one day.
[01:04:52] I have no idea.
[01:04:53] But but anyway, yeah.
[01:04:55] So my point is I wish that was stated because I feel like that would have
[01:04:58] made her character more interesting as well, because, yes, she's lying
[01:05:02] to people a lot for good reasons, I think.
[01:05:05] But it would have been even better if we
[01:05:06] had established she knows full well that this is a suicide mission and not only
[01:05:11] a mission, but a slow and painful suicide mission because we're in the dark.
[01:05:15] Man, we're just kind of as she just tells us, oh, you know what's in there.
[01:05:18] Yeah, I do.
[01:05:19] When she's staring at those mute humans, she's not staring at them like,
[01:05:23] oh, that's sad.
[01:05:24] She's staring at them because that will be me in a few months.
[01:05:27] Like she needs to be that needed to have been said.
[01:05:30] I agree, because, like I said, we sit here talking about it and we have to dig
[01:05:35] for obscure articles and people that kind of will study the film and kind of go
[01:05:40] deep into it to go. Yeah, that makes more sense.
[01:05:43] But I don't know loud.
[01:05:44] I'm a bit of a podcast when we say it out loud and we can talk about it
[01:05:47] like this, it can change your idea if you're going to go enjoy it or not.
[01:05:52] Or, you know what?
[01:05:52] You can agree with me or with Kevin.
[01:05:54] That's what it's all about.
[01:05:55] The Internet's there for whining,
[01:05:57] complaining and agreeing and everything in between.
[01:05:59] You know, so I think that this film
[01:06:03] not my favorite of the bunch, not the worst by far.
[01:06:06] Tim Burton for me still the lower end on that.
[01:06:08] I don't think you know what?
[01:06:10] Honestly, as much as I hate the Tim Burton one,
[01:06:13] I still find a battle for Planet of the Apes to just be stupid.
[01:06:18] Yeah, at least the Tim Burton one is so bad it's entertaining, but it's so bad.
[01:06:24] Here's the thing.
[01:06:25] And I want to start winding down the show here.
[01:06:27] But Rise, the Rise of the Apes trilogy.
[01:06:31] OK.
[01:06:33] Dawn, right?
[01:06:34] Kingdom and Dawn and Rise, right?
[01:06:36] Is one of those movies that like Back to the Future
[01:06:40] or to just come on television.
[01:06:43] You kind of let it play.
[01:06:45] That actually happened to me before watching this war.
[01:06:48] And I just started watching war, just started watching it.
[01:06:50] It was like it was recommended to me on a streaming service.
[01:06:52] I was like, yes, I'll watch it again.
[01:06:55] And I think that's a great
[01:06:57] making filmmakers and creative when you can just if it's just there,
[01:07:01] you just enjoy it because you know, no matter where you walk into this film,
[01:07:05] you're going to enjoy it.
[01:07:06] And I think I had high expectations and maybe I had them too high.
[01:07:10] I feel like this one was on.
[01:07:12] I would enjoy it just as much.
[01:07:13] I saw the same complaints, but my
[01:07:15] complaints are really about what I wanted to happen.
[01:07:18] And that's I'll be honest, not the movie's fault.
[01:07:21] Just because I wanted to have.
[01:07:24] Look, I'll give them this.
[01:07:25] The act, of course, the performances were great.
[01:07:28] I can live or die or whatever with May, Noah, Nova and even Rock to an extent.
[01:07:34] I felt like they needed to utilize more.
[01:07:36] And it was almost unnecessary to have him drown or disappear.
[01:07:41] Like, why not bring him into the fold?
[01:07:43] You know, I wanted him to come back at some point, maybe at the very.
[01:07:46] Just imagine if he was the Billy Graham talking about him, you know,
[01:07:50] walking into walking into that.
[01:07:53] Yeah, be what I'm getting that extreme, right?
[01:07:55] But like his version of because he's
[01:07:57] literally the contradiction of proximate is
[01:08:01] how am I going to lose a doctrine if you will.
[01:08:03] His like his belief, right?
[01:08:04] Like his whole his whole message is completely opposite or raucous messages.
[01:08:08] It's to have that happen within the group, within the apes that are being
[01:08:13] worked to death, you know, and it would spread.
[01:08:16] But then it becomes part of this.
[01:08:17] And then we go by Charlton Heston.
[01:08:19] It happens again.
[01:08:22] Kevin.
[01:08:24] This was fun.
[01:08:26] You enjoyed this, I enjoyed this.
[01:08:28] What are your final thoughts on this?
[01:08:30] Well, where do we go from here?
[01:08:31] Like you said, why you didn't like this movie.
[01:08:35] What would you want it to become?
[01:08:37] Like, what would you want the next?
[01:08:38] Because they clearly want to make another one.
[01:08:40] And I don't see a problem with that happening.
[01:08:42] What do you want it to become?
[01:08:45] So how I see it, I do agree that.
[01:08:50] We are going to see humans come out of the vaults.
[01:08:54] And we're going to see another another mix of another.
[01:08:58] It'll be battle again, man.
[01:09:00] It'll be battle again.
[01:09:01] You're going to you're going to see it happen because the humans are going
[01:09:03] to come back, you know, OK, the one thing that I took away from when I at
[01:09:07] the end of this film is that the humans are bad.
[01:09:10] They're the villain in a sense.
[01:09:12] But at the same time, they're also the underdog that's going to come back.
[01:09:17] But we've already followed the apes journey.
[01:09:20] Are we going to what side do you root for here?
[01:09:22] Because they're not going to come in as a unified front.
[01:09:25] They're not.
[01:09:26] They literally said, you're the enemy or the problem here.
[01:09:29] We need to get rid of you.
[01:09:30] Apes can't exist and do this anymore.
[01:09:32] That's what May told us in some sense.
[01:09:34] So she was willing to sacrifice and do what she had to for her people.
[01:09:38] Fine. That's exactly right.
[01:09:39] Human race.
[01:09:40] So if we're watching these films as an observer, as the watcher, if you
[01:09:44] will, like who are you rooting for here?
[01:09:47] Right. So that story has to be told or we are going to happen.
[01:09:51] It's going to happen.
[01:09:52] I don't see and maybe my brain hasn't cooked it together enough.
[01:09:56] I don't see. Oh, maybe.
[01:09:58] Go back to what you were saying.
[01:10:00] We get a spaceship that fucking finally lands
[01:10:04] and that's going to throw everything out of whack.
[01:10:06] Whoa. Because remember, in the old movies, they kind of explain that
[01:10:11] they don't travel to another planet.
[01:10:13] They travel through like a time warp type deal in space.
[01:10:16] Well, I mean, technically they just traveled in the first movie.
[01:10:21] But in the second movie, it was a time warp.
[01:10:22] Yeah. Yeah. It's a time warp.
[01:10:24] So if we have something like that happen
[01:10:27] where the ship from the first film crash lands, you know, and we see the
[01:10:33] apes like, whoa, what is this?
[01:10:34] And then we have a whole new interaction.
[01:10:36] It could be a rebirth.
[01:10:38] We don't know what to expect from that because that's from the old world,
[01:10:41] 100 percent of the old world.
[01:10:43] But they're seeing the new.
[01:10:44] Maybe we can have it where Noah, let's just use him as an example.
[01:10:48] Noah's tribe finds the ship and actually understanding that there is a balance
[01:10:53] that could occur helps these humans and in that sense, plants the seed,
[01:10:59] which will then eventually will get the people from the vaults come up,
[01:11:02] find humans interacting and then I love the same vaults.
[01:11:06] It's fallout. What about you?
[01:11:08] What do you what do you think or what do you want from this move forward?
[01:11:10] So I've heard several reviewers speculate and say, oh, there's so many space
[01:11:15] references in this movie. Maybe the next movie, The Apes Will Go to Space.
[01:11:18] And I'm like,
[01:11:19] I don't see the point of that now, like not yet anyway.
[01:11:23] It feels very weird.
[01:11:24] But I really do want the astronaut story told.
[01:11:28] But then I thought about it and I was like, well,
[01:11:31] this movie was 300 years later.
[01:11:33] They haven't developed their ape society
[01:11:35] yet to the point that it's an established society.
[01:11:38] So I I would like to see a movie where we have an entire guerrilla culture,
[01:11:45] an entire orangutan culture.
[01:11:47] Please give me hobbit sized Gibbons, please.
[01:11:50] I want a hobbit size Gibbons.
[01:11:52] You know, I want that and I want them
[01:11:54] to interact, maybe fight the vault humans or whatever.
[01:11:57] And then we'll get a movie that's set farther down the line
[01:12:00] where the ship returns, you know?
[01:12:03] Yeah, I think the ship returning will be a pivotal change there where
[01:12:07] we'll see maybe that is the end.
[01:12:09] It's the ending shot of the ship lands of the land.
[01:12:13] What a movie. I want the movie.
[01:12:15] Yeah, yeah.
[01:12:16] But that'd be the ending shot of the ship lands and maybe both sides are
[01:12:20] going at it and the ship just lands and we're like, well,
[01:12:23] what happens here? You know, so I think that'd be a good place to go.
[01:12:26] But hey, who knows, Kevin, you could be the one writing it.
[01:12:29] Man, you never know.
[01:12:30] You guys listening out there, please look into Kevin Garcia underscore com
[01:12:36] for all your pop culture critiques, comic book lore.
[01:12:41] And I've been really enjoying some of the newer ones you've been putting out
[01:12:43] there, man, definitely.
[01:12:44] I haven't put out a new video in over a week for two reasons.
[01:12:49] One, I've been very busy working on my comic and also grading papers
[01:12:54] and getting that wrapping up into the school year.
[01:12:57] And because of that, I was like, well,
[01:12:59] I have this interview I did with George Takei, so let me edit it up,
[01:13:03] put those up and that'd be cool.
[01:13:04] Yeah.
[01:13:05] But then the second reason popped up,
[01:13:07] which is now that I'm at 10 K TikTok has been flagging almost every one of my
[01:13:13] videos as being unoriginal.
[01:13:15] And I'm like, what does that mean?
[01:13:16] It doesn't give me any information.
[01:13:17] So I went through the answers.
[01:13:19] One of the answers was if it loops.
[01:13:21] OK, fine.
[01:13:22] I'm no longer doing the funny loop things at the end of the video.
[01:13:24] Fine.
[01:13:25] That's OK.
[01:13:26] Menace like, well, if you're using audio or so this year and it says a
[01:13:29] substantial amount, don't know what that means.
[01:13:31] But I noticed that in videos where I
[01:13:33] put like a small commercial, a small clip of audio from a cartoon,
[01:13:37] they'll flag it and then I'll dispute it explaining what's happening.
[01:13:40] And they'll be like, all right, we approve it.
[01:13:42] But with the George Takei videos,
[01:13:44] there is no audio clip from somebody else for most of them.
[01:13:47] There is literally no loop.
[01:13:49] This has never been on the Internet before.
[01:13:52] This happened live last summer where I was interviewing him.
[01:13:56] This is the first time it's been put
[01:13:57] anywhere on TikTok and it's being flagged as unoriginal.
[01:14:01] And on top of that, when I appeal it,
[01:14:05] several of the George Takei videos have been rejected.
[01:14:08] And I'm like, TikTok, you're really testing me right now.
[01:14:14] The AI they use is just recognizing George Takei.
[01:14:17] No, well, I think what's happening is because each of the videos is edited
[01:14:20] from the same film source, it's seeing the videos as having
[01:14:23] the same static camera shot.
[01:14:27] And so because of that source,
[01:14:29] yeah, so it's thinking it's the same video being posted over and over again,
[01:14:32] even though every video is different.
[01:14:35] So I'm going to say, I mean, as soon as you get to where you need to go,
[01:14:38] it all gets wonky, right? And that's like a back.
[01:14:43] We'll get back into it and make it happen.
[01:14:44] I enjoy the videos. I do. I learn a lot.
[01:14:46] And so I definitely put them on.
[01:14:48] I share my primos do the same.
[01:14:49] Follow Mr. Kevin Garcia, I said, of course, follow my pretty most podcast
[01:14:54] before we end tonight, Kevin, I know you're going to be doing some
[01:14:57] conventions soon. Is there anything you want to announce?
[01:14:59] Well, I've already said it a couple of times on this show,
[01:15:02] but it has now officially been announced by somebody other than me.
[01:15:05] And that is that on the 25th, I'll be part of a stream being hosted
[01:15:09] by Comic Drake, comic book, YouTube, big, big time comic book,
[01:15:13] where he's got all kinds of comic book YouTubers and tick tockers
[01:15:17] and stuff playing Fortnite to raise money for charity.
[01:15:20] I cannot stress enough that I don't know Fortnite.
[01:15:25] In fact, I spent all night last night teaching myself to play Fortnite.
[01:15:30] I went from dying within the first five
[01:15:32] seconds to dying at third out of 100, I think, or however many people were in
[01:15:36] the four. That's really good.
[01:15:38] But I'm in the early brackets.
[01:15:39] I assume like if you do better, it'll put you at a higher bracket.
[01:15:41] Yeah, but but the thing is I got third.
[01:15:44] And the only reason I died at third is not because I was killed,
[01:15:47] but because I found out there was fall damage.
[01:15:49] It's like, oh, that'll kill me. OK.
[01:15:52] You know what, man?
[01:15:53] Yeah, it is going to have to show you how to play some Fortnite, man.
[01:15:55] She's all about she's doing Fortnite this Friday as well as I think she's doing.
[01:15:59] OK, I think she's doing my birthday.
[01:16:02] What the heck?
[01:16:03] Hold on. It's your birthday coming up.
[01:16:05] Yeah. Well, but this already happened.
[01:16:08] So this episode comes out.
[01:16:10] It would be the week of the 23rd.
[01:16:15] Twenty first, twenty, twenty first.
[01:16:17] Yeah. So this episode will be coming out of twenty or twenty first.
[01:16:19] If my calendar is right, I will officially be a year
[01:16:23] closer to death. Nice.
[01:16:25] So that means you're this Friday, 17th of tomorrow is your birthday.
[01:16:29] I don't know what you're talking about as a recording.
[01:16:33] So let me see something real quick.
[01:16:35] I'm going to do a fun geeky thing because I do geeky things.
[01:16:39] So that means it would be five seventeen, right?
[01:16:42] I don't know that.
[01:16:45] I've seen several times.
[01:16:47] Numbers are not my thing.
[01:16:49] And when people ask me, you know, ask me how long ago was I born?
[01:16:52] I honestly, I was very young when it happened.
[01:16:56] Yeah, Kevin, meet your your Pokemon birthday.
[01:17:01] Oh, is that what that is?
[01:17:03] This is a moona.
[01:17:04] OK, it's like that is made number five seventeen.
[01:17:10] It is moona.
[01:17:11] I believe it's a psychic type
[01:17:13] and it is a psychic and it's weak to bugs, ghost and darkness.
[01:17:19] I those are not my weaknesses, but that's your Pokemon birthday.
[01:17:26] Look at that Pokemon birthday.
[01:17:28] We'll do that for everybody whenever it happens.
[01:17:30] So Primos, I want to thank you guys for listening.
[01:17:33] Of course, check us out all over all your streaming platforms and of course,
[01:17:36] the website, let us know what you think about Planet of the Apes.
[01:17:39] And of course, as always, no matter where you're from,
[01:17:44] we're always being lost.
[01:17:47] Yes, you are.
[01:17:48] You always are where you are.
[01:17:50] Is that what you're trying to say?
[01:17:51] No, every time you say that, I think that's what you're saying.
[01:17:54] That's like you'll get no matter where you're from
[01:17:58] around the world, you know, because Primos, right?
[01:18:00] We're part of the world.
[01:18:01] Countries.
[01:18:07] Kevin, you're all realist.
[01:18:10] You do realize you're not here to do it.
[01:18:12] Somebody's got to do it.
[01:18:16] We out, Primos.
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