S9 EP 9: The Kevin Age of Comics

[00:00:00] What's going on Primos, Primas, and Primas? Welcome to My Primos, My Primos, My Primos Podcast. Welcome to the My Primos Podcast. My name is Freddy. My name is Kevin García. My name is Elia Maria Madrid. My name is John Abina. This is Chikumi. Whenever I can make it. My Primos Podcast discusses all things fandom and pop culture. From comic books, movies, to whatever obsession we have this week. But with a Latine, Latine, Latine perspective. Remember, we're all Primos. We're all Primas. Primas. Primos. No matter what.

[00:00:30] What part of the world we're from. You're Primo Freddy. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for being with us tonight. And with me, of course, is my Primo and yours, Mr. Kevin Garcia dot com. Say what's up, Kevin. What's up, Kevin? There it is, everybody. If you missed it, you got it.

[00:00:54] It is good to be here. However, I do want to say something that occurs to me when it's just the two of us. Welcome, Primo Freddy. Say what's up, Freddy. I can't. I can't. I can't say what's up, Freddy. You can say something else. You can say hello. Don't be rude to the audience. Hi, what's up, everybody. Aquí estoy. There you go. Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. All that. All right, all right, all right. Yeah, well, it's what the people want. It's what the people want.

[00:01:19] At myprimospodcast. Let us know at KevinGarcia underscore com. Let him know that he's wrong or right. I don't know. Let us know. Let us know. So, of course, follow us on the socials and follow and visit myprimospodcast.com. Now it's out of the way, Kevin. It's me and you. It's an intimate show. Someone call it a fireside chat, if you will. Ooh, I like that. I like that. You know, it's a... I need to get the fire going. Let's see here. There we go. Ready. Kevin started the fire.

[00:01:49] No, I didn't start the fire. The whole world's been burning and it's just... It's been going since it's been turning. Yes, yes. Kevin Garcia, that's why I love it when it's me and you. You get it. We vibe. How long have we been doing this together now? It's been a minute. That's what I was thinking. I was actually just going to ask you about that because, like, this is the ninth year of My Primos Podcast?

[00:02:10] This is the ninth year of My Primos Podcast. Ninth season. Season 9. 10 coming up, which seems, like, insane to me that this is the 10th year of this. And I feel like I've been on for five years? Four years? Yes. Ten amazing years soon to be. Like, the nine years, they're so, so, so. But, like, the 10 years are amazing. So that's how that works. How are we going to celebrate 10 years the next season?

[00:02:37] All our episodes will be 10 minutes long. Like, on the dot. Like, even if somebody's mid-sentence, we just cut them off. Sorry, our episodes are not 10 minutes, guys. Enjoy. Bye. I mean, isn't that what the internet is now? Like, short-term content? I mean, it's all about chopping everything up. Like, even if you do... You know, I've done podcasts that go on for, like, six hours and they cut them up into, you know, more reasonable episodes. But then those same episodes become little, you know, one-minute, two-minute segments online. So it's like...

[00:03:04] Someone told me once, like, wow, you know what? How often do you push out episodes? And I go, well, we try to do them weekly by weekly, right? We made the switch this season to bi-weekly just to kind of try to, you know, give ourselves a little bit of wiggle room. Because it is. It's a lot of work, you know, believe it or not. It's a lot to do, yeah. A lot to do. It gets into your personal time, any time you can have with your family. And not only that, but it just takes a lot of time to even sit down and have a conversation. It just takes time. And not to say alone, editing, what have you, right?

[00:03:33] But we are glad that we're here together. We're going to chat a little bit. Kevin, again, congratulations on your Kickstarter. I know that you've been kind of working on that one for a while. It's still in process, but it's working. It's working. It's working its way through. So remind us, remind those of us that for some reason don't remember and don't listen week to week and don't follow us. Maybe they stumbled upon this looking for some other Prime Rib podcast, some barbecue podcast. We find out My Primo's podcast. And they're like, what is this about?

[00:04:02] You know what? Even if somebody, for some weird reason, doesn't listen to My Primos Podcast, I guarantee you they are already fans. It is Blastwing, but they should already be fans of Night Axe and Golden Girl because why would they not be? You know, I feel like it's a cultural institution to be eventually. Maybe. We have the word out.

[00:04:26] We are now where people that were reading Spider-Man were in the 60s. Yes, exactly that. There we are. There we go. Exactly. That's where we are right now, Primo. So give us the pitch. What is it about? Why should people want to read this amazing story that you're working on, slaving over? Very much so, yes. So, you know, I have a lot of friends who make indie comics and some of them are superhero books. Some of them are more esoteric.

[00:04:56] Some of them are, you know, all kinds of combination of things. This one looks like a superhero book, but I wouldn't call it that. So we have a magical girl, golden girl. She's an adult, but she has magical girl powers and magical rainbow transformation and light and everything. And her boyfriend who happens to be a seven foot tall monster with no head, as happens. I do want to point out, though, that again, not superheroes. I'm not trying to say, oh, they're actually antiheroes. No, no. Like he's an Uber driver.

[00:05:23] Like his whole thing is, you know, you call for a ride at the airport or get your groceries delivered. It could be him going to your door. It's not his fault. Yeah, exactly. Well, slice of life until things happen. You know, they are. I like that. Yeah. That should be in the back of the book. Slice of life until life happens. Because, you know, monsters show up. People are at risk. They're going to help. They're not going to, you know, just let people be in trouble. They're just not the type to go patrolling looking for crime.

[00:05:52] You know, they're not out there trying to get in everybody's business, so to speak. Which is kind of the point. They're not. These are a couple, you know, 20 something Latinos. And they are experiencing the kind of diaspora that a lot of us grew up with. And the idea is that even if their powers are tied to their ancestry, that doesn't mean they're very familiar with it.

[00:06:15] So the more they learn about what happened to them, the more they learn about, you know, the cultures and the civilizations that existed before Europeans ever got here. And on that note for the first issue, I have them fighting monsters that, well, the way I've been putting it is that they are monsters that are Spaniard colonial misinterpretations of indigenous folklore, essentially. That's a mouthful. Hold on. Break that down. One more time.

[00:06:44] So the thing is, is that like when the Spaniards took over, they were initially, especially the priests, were initially very, very interested in learning about the cultures of the cities that they just, you know, are wiping off the map piece by brick by brick, literally. And so they would, you know, interview people and they'd have indigenous scribes learning to write and they'd be writing their own language using the Spanish characters at the time. And they would be, they'd be like a discourse.

[00:07:10] So for example, the Florentine Codex, which is, you know, this almost 500 year old book that you can read online for free. It goes in detail into everything like what type of plant is this? What type of food is this? How were the gods created? What was the political structure of the city? And that kind of a thing. And they're just writing it all down, matter of fact.

[00:07:30] And the thing is, some of it is, I guess, much like the European bestiaries where it would have like, there is this bird, but that bird is also the souls of warriors who have died in the past kind of a thing. And they would have like, this animal stands up. But the reason it does that is because it wants to reach to the gods. So you'd have like, again, gods using European terms and this like that. So it has this kind of like a familiarity, I guess, to the priests, to the, you know, the monks at the time.

[00:07:58] But as they're doing that, they're writing down what are definitely real animals. You know, like there's a like hummingbirds, for example, which is something unheard of to people in Europe. And they're like, no, really, it's a bird that's tiny and it can just hover there. And like, sure. Okay, sure. Why not? So they write this down and they see it. Oh, it's a real thing. Cool. But then they'll put other things in there. Like the Awezult is a more of a, well, I like to say that it's one of the Mexican Pokemon. It's creatures that have powers and stuff.

[00:08:26] So this is a creature that will. A Mexican Pokemon? I like that. It'll live near the water. And it's got like a tail that has like a monkey tail that has a hand on it. And what it'll do is it'll pull you underwater. And so they'll have like everything from a realistic bird to that. And in between those two, you will have the Spanish writing things down. Now I want you to imagine right now, you're talking to somebody who's learning English for the first time. And you say it's a catfish. And they're like, oh, so it's a fish that's half cat. Okay, deal.

[00:08:55] So they have a jaguar fish and they literally would draw a jaguar's head on a fish. They have an eagle fish. They literally draw an eagle's head on a fish. And what's really funny to me is that if you look up like cryptids from Mexico, a lot of American sites are just people regurgitating things they've heard from other people, heard from other people. Not actual things that are believed in Mexico necessarily. And some of these creatures, the misinterpretation creatures, show up on those cryptid sites.

[00:09:22] So for example, the eagle fish I just mentioned in the original description described as essentially being like a smooth eel that is delicious once you catch it and eat it. But it has kind of a beak thing in the front. Okay, cool. So they drew a literal fish with an eagle head. If you look that up now on cryptid sites, it's a giant snake that wraps around at the size of several buses. And I'm like, that's what I'm doing. So they are fighting monsters that are misinterpretations of folklore. Interesting. Yeah.

[00:09:52] And meanwhile, I'm grounding a lot of the... Not grounding, is that the right word for it. I'm tying, I'll put it that way. A lot of the characters to comic books of ages past. So like Silver Age, mainly Golden Age comics. So like Golden Girl was a character in 1946 who was part of a comic book called Golden Lad. And I'm just kind of, that was a little white kid that had powers from a golden Aztec heart that was made out of Aztec people. And yes.

[00:10:21] Mr. Garcia, what, what can you define what, what era would be considered the Golden Age? Like what is Golden Age comics? Pretty much anything before the 50s. And it's called the Golden Age because in the 30s and 40s, especially the late 30s and early 40s, like 39, 38 rather, Superman began. Comics were selling in the millions. Like a good selling comic would sell like maybe two, three million copies an issue, you know, like that.

[00:10:47] Nowadays, the best selling comics are going to sell maybe a hundred thousand, you know. So it was the Golden Age in terms of that. But it was also kind of like the Golden Age of movies or Golden Age of TV where just they're doing everything to see what works. And there's so many things. So you'll have the most random superheroes. There'll be a superhero who literally has the power to play music and then fly on his musical notes, you know. And there'll be another one who can call in his shadow. And the shadow will go up to the second floor and get a guy, you know. And it'll be anything, like whatever.

[00:11:17] So then what, so Silver obviously comes after that. So that's the 60s? Is that kind of how it boils down? Yeah, well, the sixth Silver Age starts with either the brand new Barry Allen Flash where they kind of reinvented DC Comics. Or Fantastic Four number one, reinventing the Marvel Universe, depending on who you want to talk to. In between, there's kind of this off time that a lot of people will call things like the Atomic Age or maybe the Gilded Age. Where it's not quite silver yet, but it's definitely not the Golden Age anymore. Everything's all about, you know, radioactive monsters and aliens.

[00:11:47] And then with the Silver Age. Hold on. I want to unpack that a little bit. All right. So Gold, Silver. It's degrading. Like, it's like lowering the quality. Like, why would you say it's Silver when we're advancing, wouldn't you say? I think that's fair. I think Gold and Silver make sense as they are called. Primarily because Gold is considered to be that highest pinnacle point of like, we didn't even know we could do it. And we were doing it, right? And Silver is where they were perfecting it.

[00:12:17] They were like, this is what it needs to be going forward. And pretty much everything after that kind of built off of that. Now, where it gets interesting, if you're talking about degrading, the Bronze Age, I can hear my little cat mewing right now. The Bronze Age. Mewing. Mewing. Meowing. She's a kitten. She mews more than meows. The Bronze Age. There's a joke there with mews. But anyway, let's move forward. Is where things get darker. So with the Bronze Age, it's starting with the 70s. You have things like Green Arrow's sidekick.

[00:12:45] It turns out he was hooked on drugs. And you find out Green Lantern and Hal Jordan discovers the fact that racism exists. He's like, what? Hold on. So then when we're going through these golden, silver, bronze, is it just becoming darker storylines? You know what? Let's say yes. Because like Golden Age, heroes could do no wrong. Literally, there's a comic that I referenced in the last comic book I was working on. And in that comic, the hero is there. And like this guy is murdered. And the police show up. Hey, what happened?

[00:13:15] Are you involved? And he goes, nope. I'm just a bystander. And walks away. Because sure, why not? And another hero is like, cops, I'm wearing a full mask. But I want to go talk to one of your suspects. Cops are like, sure. You know? But in the Silver Age, heroes are still amazingly powerful and great. But they're flawed. They have romantic problems. They have money problems. They have family problems. In the Silver Age, we're in the Golden Age. Villains would often be one-off, but occasionally would be returning. But they're always like these evil, maniacal villains that had, like, that was their whole personality.

[00:13:45] In the Silver Age, villains had a personal connection to the heroes. Reed and Doom were college roommates. Lex Luthor and Superman, revealed at this point, grew up with each other in Smallville. You know? So like there were these heroes and villains. Villains get a little bit more development. Not a lot. But I will say, actually, no. I'm going to say a lot. Because there's a great comic from the Silver Age, late Silver Age, where Lex Luthor conquers a planet that has never heard of Superman. And by conquers, I mean he literally makes the whole place better.

[00:14:15] And they renamed the planet after him. It becomes Luxor. And then Superman shows up. He gentrifies it. 100%. But they welcome it because they didn't know technology existed. They're like, this is cool. I have a computer now. I didn't even know what a word was earlier. And Superman shows up. And he's like, that's the greatest villain. So that world worships him. But him, in his own ego and obsession with Superman, ends up hurting those people.

[00:14:40] And it becomes a great source of guilt for him that he did that. And he's still evil. He still blames Superman. But there's always that bit of him that was like, I had a wife and kid. Okay. So then Bronze. Okay. We're moving forward to Bronze. Because I'm kind of getting where. Okay. We're getting a lot more exposition. We're getting a lot more deeper storylines. There's no longer black and white and silver. So I mentioned already, there's the kid with drugs. That's going to kick off for it. There's Green Lantern. Hal Jordan, again, discovers what racism is.

[00:15:10] Because prior to this, if race showed up, it was always just like, everyone needs to get along. Now, go out of there, out of the panel. Because we're not going to see you again after this one panel. But in the Green Arrow, Green Lantern comic book, which was a team-up book, basically Hal finds out that he needs to spend more time on Earth to see people that are getting disenfranchised here. And not just, as the conversation goes, the blue people and the orange people up in space. This is also the time period where we get the Dark Phoenix.

[00:15:39] Where the X-Men gain power so much that they, well, they, Gene specifically, gets drunk on that power and obsessed with this god-like ability she has to the point that she kills an entire planet full of people. Now, retroactively, they've explained Phoenix Force and Mind Control and also whatever. But she did that. You know? And in fact, in the original story, the writer, Chris Claremont, wanted to have her redeemed and whatever.

[00:16:09] But the editor's like, she killed billions of people. She needs to die. So they rewrote the end of the story and she died. And that would end up being a very significant moment for them. Heroes could die now. You know, the X-Men, in their very first Bronze Age appearance, lost a member. You know, he died on his first mission. And, you know, the, as we lead up to the 80s, which... So you're saying that era there, let's just say that decade of the 70s. Yeah.

[00:16:38] Using like... Into the 80s. That would be that, that... So this is the thing though. I look at it as, okay, let's assume me just being, just being kind of trying to piece things together. And I know we'll walk it back to your book, right? I'm good with everything. As I tell my students, you can get me off topic and I will keep talking anyway. Well, the reason why is because you're saying yourself, you're taking an interpretation of a golden era character to say, right? Golden girl. Yep. And... Also the villain we haven't talked about yet. Well, we'll get there. So what I'm getting there is... We'll get there, yeah, yeah.

[00:17:09] It's interesting because like film, like music, everything goes through a shift, a change, right? Cycles, yeah. Everybody's era is their best era. Oh, my era, my era, my era, whatever that may be, right? But as we know, as creative, as we know, as writers, and if you're a good writer, and I say this, I'm being very direct with you, pretty much. If you're a good, if you're a creative and you're a good writer, you have to understand that every, and this is the thing, even records and music, right? Like we love, you love the Beatles, right? We'll just give you an example. You love the Beatles.

[00:17:39] But even the Beatles went through changes. Yeah. In the, in the very brief time, they changed so much. So much. And all of that inspired by other artists, you know? And then in turn inspired new artists. So what I'm getting to is in comic books, like you said yourself, at one point, it was million sold per issue. It was the golden age of sales and purchasing and reading and mass. And this variety as well. Variety.

[00:18:07] But, but as we kind of age up the reader base, I know that adults were the primary readers, especially in the early, early days of comic books. Yeah. And, you know. I want to touch on that for a brief second. So pretty much every kid in America at some point read a comic book in the 30s, 40s, 40s especially. But in World War II, soldiers were literally sent comic books. So they read them. And then in the early 50s, in that kind of middle atomic age, that's where we get Tales from the Crypt.

[00:18:34] And where we get, you know, all of these like horror books that were aimed at adults very often. Even if kids picked them up once. Well, Mad Magazine. Satire there is adult satire in this comic book. And then we have the satire. We have the comics in the paper. We have, I mean, we can kind of go through it. I know you have a hand. And we, again, Kevin Garcia is available for panels, everybody. And he does cover this and goes over this a lot of the time. But it's interesting because you hear these terms thrown around.

[00:19:04] And I've learned when we do things like this, like podcasts, we have conversations of people just trying to consume content. And this is your first time coming in here knowing, what are these guys talking about? Comic books. But what if you don't know what that term means, right? Like. Yeah, I think that's totally fair. But what I'm getting to is that in music, I'll use that as an example. It's more, I guess, pop in general. Yeah. Let's talk about pop in general. Pop music. These are the Beatles again.

[00:19:30] Eventually changed to a point where the audience that heard the Beatles at the pop version may not be the same audience that listening to them at their later version. When they were living in India and stuff and doing those things. Yeah, exactly. When they're in India and all that. Like. Revolution. Even within you is not my jam. I'm sorry. It's just not for me. Right? But I still love a lot of their music. But same thing goes for books and writing. If you're a creative and if you want to. And I hate to say it this way, but. You do have to change.

[00:19:59] You do have to change with the times because you grow. It's a muscle where we flex our ability. Like you can go down the list of all the writers, even Stan Lee, people reading comic books here. The style of writing, the themes touched on, you know, not only the art, but the. The themes and the conversations, the dialogue that allowed for these things to change. But because I think the audiences that wanted to.

[00:20:27] And now we're in an era, whatever this area is called, which I know maybe. I don't know what the term is. You never know what an era is called till it's over. And even then. Consessence is not really a thing. Other than the golden, silver and bronze age. Consensus is difficult. There are, like I said, that atomic age I mentioned. Some people use that. Some people don't. You know, the. But when you get stuff like Watchmen, 1986, same year that we got Dark Knight Returns. People consider that to be a new era starting there, you know, and that. I agree.

[00:20:57] I would beg to differ that. You know what? Yes. But I think and I always have the conversations and we've all had them, especially if you're a fan of anything that's a fandom or comic books. When someone comes up to you. Oh, my God, that's just a kid's book. That's a dumb book. That's a. What is this little thing? Right. This funny book. Because of the fact that I think things ebb and flow when it comes with what's in pop culture. Right. Right now, it's after the Marvel era. We call this the Marvel movie era. The MCU era. Whatever that is.

[00:21:26] Well, just superhero movie eras. It's mainly been Marvel, but not just them. No, no. Of course not. Of course not. I mean, yeah, of course not. But what I'm getting to is this. The audience themselves, I believe, at the beginning would have aged up with the books because they're growing up in that era. They're growing with their characters, if you will, for however long they could. One, like anything else in the world, either life, accessibility, affordability, whatever you want to call it. Either they kept up with it or they didn't, but they aged out.

[00:21:55] Here we are, a new era. We go to the 70s. We go to the 80s. We're in the 90s. The odds, as you've said before, the comic book never went away. It just evolved. It just evolved. And as a writer and as a creator, if you're going to keep creating and you want an audience, you do have to. I'm not going to say chase because it's nothing. You evolve and you can create something that would be considered.

[00:22:21] Nowadays, because I'm very grateful, I'm thankful that there is, and it's a double-edged sword. The fact that we have access to a lot of different mediums within comic books, per se, be it digital, physical, what have you. And genres as well. And genres upon genres upon genres. And if I want to read an Archie book, I can read an Archie book, and that's okay. Right? But if I want to read Archie Goes to Hell next month, maybe that's not for me. Which is coming out next month, by the way. Yep, that's the thing. That's the thing. Let me mention a movie to you.

[00:22:51] You've seen The Incredibles. Yeah. Definitely. Great movie. That movie is the best explanation example of the transition from Gold and Silver Age. In the little beginning segment of that movie, they're in the Golden Age. Heroes can do no wrong. Cops are like, hi, hero. And he drives his definitely not street legal car down the road. There's kid sidekicks that want to be one anyway. And there's villains that have no personal connection to the hero, but they're just random scenes. Warriors for a movie that's like 20 years old.

[00:23:19] Well, the first 10 minutes of it anyway. But then you get to the second half. Well, second half. Then the rest of the movie is Silver Age. It literally goes from the 40s to 20 years later, the 60s. And now there is personal family problems. There's like, they interchange things. Heroes are related. They have kids. Yeah. There is a villain that has a personal connection to the hero. There is spy stories like James Bond, which again, took off. It existed before that. But it took off in the 60s. You know, all that stuff is 100% Silver Age.

[00:23:49] And I loved it so much. And then when I found out they were going to make a sequel, I was so excited until I saw it. Yeah. Because the sequel took place literally five minutes later. And it was the exact same plot as the first movie, just with different characters. I was hoping we had the kids are grown up. That's what I wanted. We have. Bronze Age. Yeah. Can I tell you what I would do if I was Disney? All right. Listen up, Disney at Kevin Garcia underscore dot com. In the first movie, we have the Golden Age. Everybody's separate.

[00:24:18] The heroes have their own adventures. That's how it was back then. In the Silver Age, heroes know each other. They have best friends. There's a family. There's kids. One of those kids has every power imaginable. But he's not even a toddler at this point, right? What's going to happen when that kid becomes a teenager? What's going to happen with this kid who is, for all intents and purposes, God, has puberty? That is your Dark Phoenix story, you know? Dude, that is American Alien.

[00:24:48] That is Bronze Age. That is one of my favorite Superman runs is American Alien. And I love Weird Superman. I love Blue Superman. I love Off Stuff. I love Superboy even to an extent. I love Silver Age and Golden Age Superman. What I'm getting at is like, but, okay, try it back to your book, to your characters, right? Like, why even brought all that up? Like, aging up with your characters, because we do that now.

[00:25:17] People grew up on Star Wars. They follow it all through and through. But what about your characters do you or did you really kind of connect with? Do you have just the font? I know you're a fan of the history. You're a historian, I would say, of comics in general, right? The lineage. But there has to be a connection to you, because I know you, and I know you have taste a certain, you know, clean a certain way. Well, if you're good.

[00:25:43] Well, these characters and this, I guess, I'm interviewing you like, this book is out. Yeah, this is fun. Yeah. Which it will be soon. And my goal was originally to have it out in time for Hispanic Heritage Month. That did not happen. Then it was by the end of this year. That's not looking likely, but still technically possible. Probably going to be the beginning of 2027. So what fruit salad of comic books do you connect the dots to create this world?

[00:26:37] Any character? Moonrangers. The Sailor Scouts were my age, you know? And now... Don't steal that. That's our idea. Moonrangers. Write it down. Yeah, do it. Do it. Somebody do it. Somebody do it. That's good. That's the thing I always tell people. Listen, if more than one person tries to go with the same idea, you're going to get two entirely different stories. It's just that's how it's going to be. True. But yeah, so with Golden Girl, it's the idea like, well, this is an adult who grew up with that. And now she's like, I have these powers now. I can transform magically.

[00:27:08] I can, you know, make myself, you know, up. Like that kind of stuff. Like one thing that's not in this book, but I told the artist that I want to do for later things. Sailor Moon had a little pin that she could be like, you know, magic pin makeup or whatever she said. And she would transform into a bus driver, a flight attendant or whatever. Yeah. As far as I'm concerned, Golden Girl could do that too. But no, it wasn't a disguise though, because when she did that, she had the knowledge of doing that. You know? You know what?

[00:27:35] If only we had a Sailor Moon specialist that we can tap onto. But not here right now. Why don't we have them here right now? Their feed and, you know. They're probably online somewhere right now. So you could be online right now, like on twitch.com slash Spice Illustrations. Kevin Garcia, do you know that Spice Illustrations is currently streaming right now? Yes.

[00:27:54] I also know, talking about successful Kickstarters, that Spice Illustrations has their very own Kickstarter book that is 100% their creation. And it looks amazing and adorable. And it has a turtle that, yes, can twerk. Jeff the turtle. He can twerk. And it's doing so well. Spice Illustrations. Spice Illustrations. Yeah, yeah. How are they doing? Let's share the screen here. There is a very friendly frog going on right there. What sort of frog? Indeed.

[00:28:26] Is this like... It's funny because I've had the idea. And I'm talking an insight thought out loud. I like that we can say we're talking with her. To write the fan fiction. I'm on the podcast. Yes. I didn't know you could see us. I didn't know you could see us. I forget what EarthaKit meant. She was. EarthaKit is the best. Oh, y'all have fun. Right there. I'm scratching you. Ow. If y'all aren't following my Primo's podcast, you should go watch. I obviously want to. You're on the episode tonight. On everything. We're everywhere. Yzma.

[00:28:55] Dude, EarthaKit. I was in a podcast, but she's in the middle of her stream, as you can tell. EarthaKit is just like, I don't need a man. And I respect her. Yzma is the best. Emperor's New Groove. You know, I'm not going to get into it right now, but I really am sad for what the Emperor's New Groove could have been. It sounds like a whole nother podcast. It is. It is a whole nother podcast. It is a whole nother podcast. Point is, that was Elia Maria, our prima. She's busy. She's promoting her Kickstarter, which is Jeff the Turtle.

[00:29:25] Check out at Spice Illustrations. Another successful success story. You know, all the primos involved here have successes. We have John Avena doing stuff. That guy is doing some amazing work, by the way. We have Freddy, who has done so many amazing podcasts, including a magical one. Speaking of magical girls and magical boys and magical people. Yes, I have a podcast called Puro Pinche Magic.

[00:29:52] It is a predominantly Spanish, Latino hosted Magic the Gathering podcast. We speak English, we speak Spanish, we're bilingual, but it's hosted by Bones of Calavera Cosplay, where she was a guest on the show. And also Fernando at Bear Claymore, twitch.tv slash Bear Claymore, which is a bear and a mine and whatever. He says he likes. When I hear Claymore, I think sword. You know what? That's the anime or manga that he was reading and he says he's a big fan of. Oh no, it's a historical sword.

[00:30:22] Yeah, but it's called Claymore. It's based on a woman heroine and she uses the Claymore to kill things. And it was an anime or manga, so there you go. Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. Tying it back together to women heroes here. But point is, yes, Puro Pinche Magic, if you're into Magic the Gathering and Magic the Gathering content in Latino America, especially out of Mexico. We're working with a lot of people from Mexico to really bring some light to the game and the people and the content creators from Latin America, because guess what?

[00:30:50] Just like comic books and movies and pop culture, one of the biggest consumers are Latinos. Come on, guys. Look, I already mentioned it's Hispanic Heritage Month and a lot of my friends are in the black comic TikTok and YouTube and that kind of thing. And they were putting a big push on why aren't the big companies having black-led comics? And it's paid off. DC is now announcing some, right?

[00:31:17] And the thing is, the same is true for Latino characters. Like, they are few and far between in terms of, like, the superheroes out there or the stories that are starring them. The best ones are often, you know, the indie comics, you know, which is good. Don't get me wrong. But, like, the ones with more money should also be promoting us. You know what I mean? And like I said, the readers are there. Like, we, I grew up reading it. You grew up reading it.

[00:31:46] We have these, the comics and the cartoons and the movies now. We are taking them in. Like, Blue Beetle. I love the movie, right? There is a scene that if there had, I might have felt bad about it in another movie, but because there's only really the one Latino superhero movie that I can think of right now. There's a scene where the uncle's car plays a cucaracha on the horn. And I'm like, that's funny within the community. But it's also one of those stereotypes that gets popped up a lot.

[00:32:15] But at the same time, it's like, but yeah, but it's our only one. Let's just have fun. Let's just do it. Let's just have fun with it. But there should be more. I think, I think that should be more important. I think that movie, we talked about it before, but it's almost like it was, it was for the community, but I think that it could have had like been handled a little differently, wider reach, what have you. But I'm a fan. I think it's great. I think that, you know, check out John Avena. He has a good pitch for Blue Beetle. Speaking of that, go check that out. Definitely, Primos.

[00:32:45] But I do want to go back a little bit before we kind of wrap up this conversation and move on to, to the end here or closing. Soon. And we have some to talk about. I mentioned the villain. Yes. So we want to come to that when you're ready. Okay. So what brought you into the point of bringing those things together, right? You talked about Sailor Moon and, you know, this guy changing her appearance. Well, there's also, there's also the idea of the personal level of, you know, so there's this term that I've recently become familiar with and I like it. Nepantla.

[00:33:15] Nepantla is a term in Nahuatl that basically is between two things. Like between the water, between two shores or whatever. Right. But since for the past several decades, it's been kind of growing in usage as kind of describing the very specific diaspora of Latinos. Latinos. And I don't just mean in the U S I mean, Latin Americans as well. The idea of like, you're in a country and you know, your ancestors were here, but you don't have that connection to them.

[00:33:45] So you long for it, but don't know what it is. Or you're in the, in a country like the U S or Canada or somewhere else. You're like, well, look, I know that I had family from this country and they had family from the indigenous countries that were there earlier. And that you don't know that part of you. So it's that idea of being kind of between these worlds. And, and that is the subtext as I'm writing Night Axe and Golden Girl. These are a couple of Texas Latinos, you know, that they are, you know, raised here and everything,

[00:34:14] but there is that connection to things that they don't even necessarily know they have, you know? And, and I, I very much know that feeling, you know? Definitely. Definitely. What about the villains? So that way we can kind of have the families know what to kind of expect. So, so like I said, they're not traditional superheroes. So they're not out looking for bad guys in order. They have like Dr. Doom or anything going on, but the, we'll call him an antagonist of this book.

[00:34:42] Spoilers for those of you who hear this and then read the comic, but it's, you know, there is a guy named Satan and he's got red skin and fangs. And he cackles a lot and he has a cult. And if you're thinking, oh, that guy seems evil. He wants you to think that. But what's great about him is that like Golden Girl, he is also a character from the golden age. In 1940, there were just like Golden Girl and Golden Lad. There were five issues that in for Satan is the original character's name. You know, they just called him Satan.

[00:35:11] He was in four issues called pocket comics back in 1940, I believe. Yeah, 1940. And literally he is not a demon. He just looks like one. And his origin is given in the second issue. And I'd already been looking for like some kind of a devilish character. Something just kind of, and then I was like, oh, I forgot this guy existed. In the second issue, we find out he is an actual conquistador who got tricked by the indigenous people into going to the wrong fountain.

[00:35:39] So instead of, you know, just immortality, he gets immortality being a deformed freak. That, you know, he cannot die. Like literally after they give his origin, he like tries to go between two crashing cars and just walks away. He still can't die. So he can't die. He is, however, in those old comics, able to feel pain. So he's very scared of a hero punching him constantly. Like, no, don't. And in one issue, he's scared of a spider. Jumps out of a plane.

[00:36:06] You know, he's evil in the sense that a lot of people die because of him. Asterix. So, like, he helps facilitate terrorist activity. This is pre-World War II U.S. So, you know, Germans and stuff like that. But as soon as the terrorists go and do their thing, he then kills them. And they're like, why? Why are you betraying us? Because you betrayed your own people. So you'll probably betray me. Ha ha. And he kills them.

[00:36:34] And I'm like, that's not, it's not good. He's doing evil in a good way. The only death that he is directly responsible for, like he personally did the death, is in the last issue, issue four, where he meets his evil twin. Yes, he is Satan. And he meets his evil twin. And they are having a contest to see which one of them is more evil. Because one of them gets to be the evil twin. The evil twin, by the way, is Natas, which is just Satan backwards.

[00:37:03] And most of their evil is dumb. Like, it's like, I'm going to put a fiery envelope in the mail. Ha! You know, that kind of stuff. But like, but the Natas does kill a whole town with wolves. But Satan's one death that I could, in the original comics, he definitely did himself. He breaks into this guy's house and goes, you there, you won a Nobel Prize for peace. And the guy's like, yes, I'm going to strangle you and you're going to die. He literally says that before doing it. And then he strangles him. So, evil.

[00:37:32] You know, so he's a very incompetent, immortal devil. And the fact that he is specifically a conquistador, which I wanted to tie these heroes to this indigenous past. And then this guy was literally there on the wrong side of history. I like it. I think it's cool. So, Night Axe and Golden Girl. Primo, stay tuned. Coming soon. Keep your eyes open. I'm sure we're going to talk about it here more and more once we get our hands on it. But Primo, stay tuned.

[00:38:02] There's more to come. Hang out. Be right back.

[00:39:07] Come back. And Mr. Kevin Garcia underscore underscore. Underscore. Calm. Because, I mean, at the time they wouldn't let me put dots on it. Put a dot on it. But now apparently you can. So maybe I should go back and change it. I mean. Does it help you or hurt you at this point? I mean, I've been branding it for a while. But then again, you know, what's a 10 or 20,000 followers? I can move on.

[00:39:37] Plus, in the grand scheme of things. Look at Avina, man. He's got it down on that social media stuff. So, I do know. At Avina Comics, everybody. Follow at Avina Comics. Great work out there. Americana is my favorite. My too. But I do, do, do want to just give thanks, of course, for everybody following us at my Primos podcast. Please do so. Just chime in with us. Let us know what you're enjoying on the show. We do have a 10-year anniversary? I mean. Yeah.

[00:40:07] Happening. So, I don't know. With 10 second episodes. Let us know what you want from this show. Let us know what shenanigans. What is one of your favorite episodes? What's your favorite Kevin moment? What's your favorite interruption from Chikume? What's, you know, spice illustrations, geeking out over something? Let us know. Let us know what you guys think at My Primos Podcast. Who should we bring back? You know, who hasn't been back? Everyone. Every.

[00:40:35] It should be like Endgame, but like more, fewer plot holes. Like Kevin on your left. Like that? Yes. Speaking of on your left, or your right, my right, your left. One of the directions. One of these directions. What are we looking at, Kevin? So, this is a page in progress from James Figadero. Because, you know, the main story is, excuse me.

[00:41:02] The main story is Night Axe and Golden Girls, the one I've been talking about with the fish monsters and Satan and everything. And the artist on that is Miguel Angel Hernandez de Dio, who is just outstanding. So outstanding that he's got multiple clients right now, which is, you know, it happens. It's a good thing, right? And then James Figadero is somebody I've known for several years. He's worked with friends of mine, but I've never actually worked with him on a comic. And it's been so much fun. He's doing one of the backup stories, because I've got one that's just Night Axe doing stuff

[00:41:31] and one that's just Golden Girl doing stuff. And James is an artist out of Brazil. And it's just, number one, fast. Number two, really good with stuff and good with when I feel like minor corrections. But also, he would come up with things that I didn't plan for. And he's like, it makes sense that this would happen. I'm like, you know what? You're right. That does make sense that would happen. Do it. You know? And in fitting with what we've been talking about of Golden Age and Silver Age and that

[00:41:58] kind of stuff, in this short story, Golden Girl meets a guy who is totally not Batman. Totally not Batman. But is a character from the 1940s who was a caped crusader in the dark who would, you know. Yeah. Although I will say, while they never established him as a billionaire or millionaire back in the 40s, he was always defending the rich and stopping unions.

[00:42:25] So definitely, yeah. Have you guys watched the rich flu? I don't even know what that is. The rich flu. We'll talk about it here and the stuff we've been consuming and watching. But primos. Thank you, Kevin Garcia, for sharing. I know it's hard to show stuff and work in progress because you're putting yourself out there. But I appreciate you trusting us, Kevin. And just enjoying your work and the process.

[00:42:52] Remember, this show is one of these things where you can see kind of behind the curtain to see a little bit about how things are made and how the creative process, ideas. I mean, we geek out. We geek out about it as well. As we should. And things we are enjoying, reading, watching, what have you. That's why it's pop culture with the Latino perspective. We are here again, primos. To close out the show, we usually bring things up that we are consuming or enjoying. Kevin Garcia. The rich flu. Do you want to know what the rich flu is?

[00:43:22] What is the rich flu? I've not heard of this. It's a film streaming on one of these things. One of those things. Hulu, Max, Primes. Something. A roll of crunch. I don't know. Something. But it's happening. The rich flu and it stars. What's her name? Rwanda Flowers. What is her name? I can't think of her name right now. She was in the Birds of Prey movie. Yes. It's a three name name. You know what I mean? Yes. All three of those names. All their names. One of those names. But what is it? What is the story?

[00:43:53] I can't. It's like Mary Elizabeth Winstead. That sounds right. Winstead, right? Winstead, right? I'm right there. Like I'm right there, right? It's one of those things that when you're like, it's right there, you need to find it before you move on. Mary Elizabeth Winstead. All right. You got it. Yeah. All right. The rich flu. All right. So the rich flu is, here's the pitch for it. There is literally an illness that is killing billionaires. No.

[00:44:20] And we meet a character who is like, it's funny enough, like a movie producer. And like they listen to pitches to see what would go up the ladder to try to get the funding for it and whatnot. And she's trying to make money. Her goal is to be wealthy and do whatever she can to become wealthy, wealthy, wealthy. She ends up getting a job offer from one of these billionaire, like billionaire, billionaire, billionaire, billionaire.

[00:44:47] Because in the background, which is great about this movie is that people are getting sick, but they're saying, hey, so-and-so, this, you know, oligarch got sick and died. Buckingham Palace is having an auction of all their properties randomly. Like these little nuggets of things going on. And so much so where this- So if they divest, they're hoping they don't get sick is, I guess, the idea there? That's exactly it. Nice. If they can get rid of all their money, they assume like that they're not going to get

[00:45:15] sick and die because it is literally killing off like Putin is dead. Like there's literally something on the screen. Like Putin has died. This has died. This has died. And the theory is, well, it starts with the oil and the oligarchs and all these guys. And it's working ways down. So society is like refusing the money and wealth because of this. So much so that the government cannot give aid because corporations are refusing to take

[00:45:42] money in order to stop their wealth gainage. And so then people are basically fighting in the streets, trying to find, like survive. But yet if the companies that will provide aid, it's like because so many, so much money changes hands. They're avoiding that and the world is collapsing, but they're hunting down billionaires. They want to quarantine them and kill them all to avoid this from spreading. I mean, it's just about helping society.

[00:46:12] It's helping society. It's called the rich flu. I'm not going to give it away. It's very well done. I dig it. I love this concept that the rich are being told or figuring out that being rich is the cost. So rather than help other people, they will not do that as long as they aren't rich as well. Correct. They'd rather have the world just implode and die. You know, it's funny. You know, you mentioned that.

[00:46:40] And I think about various companies saying that some technology they're developing is very dangerous and it could destroy everything, economy, even human lives. But they can't stop doing it because then somebody else is going to do it. Yes. They let the genie out of the bottle, whatever they say. Yeah. On that note, I just yesterday I ordered a DVD of a movie.

[00:47:07] I started watching it so I ordered it a while back that I saw maybe a hundred times when I was a kid. Loved the hell of that movie. And boy, does it hit different now. What movie is that? So it's about an AI that is developed to learn. It's a learning model, right? And the government realizes that, well, we could use a learning model that's adapted for

[00:47:32] government secrets to help monitor and defend the US in terms of, you know, outside agitators. But hackers accidentally find a way in and realize that the computer has decided to use other things that it wasn't told to use specifically because it wants to do its main mission better, which is playing games. You're talking about? War games.

[00:48:02] War games. Matthew Broderick. Matthew Broderick. Yes. War games. Love that. And as I'm watching, like just even the first 15, 20 minutes of the movie, I'm like, holy crap, this is too realistic. And not only that, but like, you know, all those movies in the 90s that were like, I'm going to hack the internet and they'd start doing this and suddenly they're on the internet. The hacking in this 1983 movie. I feel like that's how you could actually hack into things in 1983.

[00:48:31] Like literally the kid sets up a phone, puts it on a random thing to just randomly hit numbers until it picks a number. And then he just randomly picks passwords. So he gets a password. And I'm like, that would have worked. You know? I mean, look at the, like people now young, I was a younger people are discovering the fact that being connected is not the best way. That you need to disassociate with the web, you know, be disconnected.

[00:49:01] You know, technology is not yours anymore. Look at the whole PlayStation thing. Right. So like all this stuff happening is really waking people up to the fact that, hey, you remember how we gave up. Oh, so please correct me. Because I know you know the phrases. We've given up our, I want to say, we've given up something for convenience or autonomy. Oh yeah. We've given up. It's giving up freedom for comfort, that kind of thing. Yeah.

[00:49:28] We're giving up our freedoms and our self-regulation, if you will. Safety. For autonomy and comfort. For the feeling of safety. Nothing belongs to you. Money is a construct, right? You are constantly being monitored. Constantly. Whether it's your phone trying to advertise to you or the cameras helping exes stalk their, you know, targets. The conversations we have on our phones with our loved ones talking about war games. I'm flagged at some point on this. What's also, no, no, not even flagged.

[00:49:57] Those conversations are now feeding a language model so we can learn how to talk about war games. Rich flu. Watch it. It's a great watch. It's a great, interesting take. And I love, I love how you can see the ugly, even in people that feel that they're above that. The idea of classes that are above that. Yeah. That live in communes.

[00:50:20] But yet, even in that moment, the idea of currency is kind of like the button is restarted. And it's interesting, man. Like, it's so well done. That whole thought, though, of corporations kind of hurting the people who literally built them. And then the people having to fight back, maybe in court, makes me think of other films that have come out recently. Have you seen Coyote vs. Acme? One of the best movies I've seen this year.

[00:50:50] So good. You know, about- Corporations. Like, the fact that I had somebody at work. I've been, I have been championing this movie. Yep. Ever since I saw it, you know. I saw it, I think, in two. You have the, you're the historian on the show. But, in so many, and please correct me as we go. Mm-hmm. This movie was a complete finished product.

[00:51:14] But then, what happened that caused it to just be pulled and not be able to be seen until recently? So, it's weird to think that one person who doesn't know what they're doing, being put in charge of a large entity. Could somehow make the whole thing go down. You know. But, it really seems like Zaslav, going with his gut instincts of, like, what is good and bad, was not great for Warner Brothers.

[00:51:42] And they were like, oh no, we need to figure out ways to quickly get money. And they're like, wait a minute. I saw this movie called The Producers, made by Mel Brooks, where nothing went wrong with their plan to, you know, basically commit tax fraud. So, let's do that, you know. And they've been doing it. They did it with the Batgirl movie. Yeah. Where that movie was not finished, but it had been entirely filmed.

[00:52:10] That means that all that was left was basically clean up special effects, remove wires, that kind of stuff. And they canned it specifically so they could get a tax write-off. Which is fun because the cast and crew were allowed one screening before they literally destroyed the only copies of themselves. They could only see it. And then in a smaller scale, stuff that has already come out, they've pulled from their services. So, you can't watch. I've never seen Infinity Train. I've been told several times you need to go see it.

[00:52:38] I can't because the only people who own it pulled it for tax reasons. Actually, in that case, it's not tax reasons. In that case, it's because they would have to pay royalties. And they're like, no, we don't want to pay artists. So, that happened again with Coddy vs Acme. But, of course, a couple things were going on. Number one, James Gunn, who's been their golden boy with superheroes, was the producer. And made sure that they had finished basically all the special effects. There may have been a couple things to clean up, but basically everything. And number two, oh no, things leak out.

[00:53:06] And everybody's like, you're doing what with a movie with John Cena and produced by James Gunn? And everything about this looks good. And even if it's bad, it's going to be beautiful. And it was so good. And what's the movie about? The movie's about going against a corporation. Yeah, exactly. I'm the best animation on screen that I've seen. Better than Space Jam, I would say. The best Peter Lorre since Peter Lorre was alive. You know what? Yes. Yes.

[00:53:36] I agree with you. When we watched this film, my son, he's 16. He kept talking about it. He's like, it's out? When is it out? I gotta see this thing. And the online support for it was great. Because there was so much support for the cast and crew and everybody that had a hand in this. And then we watch it. And it is probably one of the best satirical films that are... It's like baby's first satire film. You know?

[00:54:06] Actually, wait. So there's something I've been wanting to say since we started this conversation on this movie. So I saw it second week, right? There were a lot of adults there. And there were a lot of families with very small kids. And here's what I saw. Before I even say this, I saw some reviewers going to be like, These jokes are too big for kids. Or this is a kids movie. Like literally, I heard both things. And I'm like, did you watch the movie? So here's what I saw in the theater. I and a lot of the adults were laughing at the corporation jokes. And the money jokes.

[00:54:34] And the midlife crisis jokes. All those things, right? And the kids were laughing at things that I didn't think were funny in the least. But they were cracking up. And I was like, that's what it needs to be. That is what that kind of film needs to be. Funny for the kids. Funny for us. They don't have to be the same jokes. You know? And the kids just got a kick out of it. They were cracking up. So those same kids, they were quiet as a mouse when we were laughing. They're like, you know, I could tell. I can't see their faces, but I could tell. They're just like, you know.

[00:55:04] But then the next thing comes up, they're like, ah! And they just loved it. And I'm like, that's what movies need to be. That's what Roger Rabbit was, you know? I mean, we who grew up with this as a kid saw it that way. But like, as an adult, you can see it has the jokes that adults wanted to see too. So like, and I don't just mean like adult jokes, which yes, Roger Rabbit had. But I mean like jokes that are funny to people that have seen these things. Like they have been in these places, you know? I think funny, funny, funny, huh? Funny, ha ha. And funny, oh yeah.

[00:55:34] Like that's what you're looking at when you watch this film. Oh. And I think that it's well done in the fact that it's, I say baby's first satire film. But it gives you so much to consume as an adult, as a child, as a teenager. And you can look at it and laugh. And you're like, wow. It's so true that the Acme Corporation, which is what the pitch is, has constantly, and we know at this point, everybody should know Wile E. Coyote, but it has always been

[00:56:01] the main center of all Looney Tunes and even beyond Looney Tunes, if you will, that provides household items, gadgets, what have you. And Wile E. Coyote fed up with the fact that he's lost and never been able to capture the Roadrunner, takes them to court. And it is done so well because it's as if, it's like, it literally is like they're taking on a giant conglomerate against what it is.

[00:56:28] And when the fact that anybody, even a kid can follow that, hey, these giant big companies are doing, and I hate to give stuff away because I don't want to give anything away. They're not helping. They're not helping. In the most base terms, these big companies are not helping. It's a corporation saying they're doing things for the people and actively not doing them for a quick buck. It's heartfelt.

[00:56:58] It's funny. The acting's great. Really good. I mean, you gotta watch. John Cena, he doesn't play a bad guy enough and he's good. He's good. To be fair, not a John Cena fan. Well, I'm not a John Cena fan, but I will admit the more I see him and stuff, the more I am getting there. I have to admit that. When I can see him. One, let's be real. One, the willingness to do it and then leaning 100% into the character. Being evil. Owning it.

[00:57:28] Evil. And then being able to play that up on screen and like, why wouldn't you want to put your name on that? And that's why it bugged a lot of creatives. Like everyone put their name on this film because they loved the idea, the craft. The story was great. Even people that aren't alive anymore put their names on the film. We get, you know, I've already mentioned Peter Lorre, who unintentionally became a Looney Tunes star, but also Chuck Jones gets a shout out. Tex Avery gets a shout out. There is.

[00:57:58] Sorry. My brain shot off for a second. I just saw today an edit. Somebody did on like TikTok or Instagram or whatever. Yeah. And it was just, they've done the gag of Acme going to trial because of their negligence and everything. Several times, at least three or four times in the past. And each time it still felt fresh because each time, you know, like Tiny Toons was coming out right off the eighties, you know, me decade. And it was like literally addressing that, that issue.

[00:58:28] And so now we're in the middle of this oligarch run world. And again, it's still fresh, this idea, you know, and I just, I do love it. But also there is a lot. Go ahead. So no, I was just going to say that there's a lot of fanfic apparently with Coyote and Roadrunner. Anyway. There's a lot of, there's some Tumblr stuff that's kind of. And it's getting, literally I've seen artists say, I've been doing this for years and now people want to see it. Okay.

[00:58:56] But what it is, and bringing this back to the beginning of our conversation, Looney Tunes, an institution of entertainment, an era that may have fallen in the silver age, golden age-ish, they went through the reiterations, they went through the revamps, the re, the one constant thing, and this is why we go back to creative, being able to change with the time, adapt, if you will.

[00:59:26] You don't have to throw away who you are just to stay in the mind's eye for the fans or to create new fans. The Looney Tunes themselves have been reinvented numerous times from Tiny Toons to Looney Tunes to what we see now, right? The comic book industry has gone through multiple changes as well and has been able to kind of still maintain head above water, if you will. People say, oh, they're making millions, they're making millions, they're making millions. Yeah.

[00:59:55] But at the same time, just like this movie shows you that you can have that, that sprinkle from the golden, silver, bronze era and still make it relevant. The same way, Kevin Garcia, which you're doing your book, you're sprinkling all the decades in there. You're bringing in ideas from all over. I'm giving you credit here. But if you want... People sit here and we hear it all the time.

[01:00:24] Oh man, these movies are lame. These movies are boring. It's always the blockbusters that only get the attention, etc. Go out and seek out these films. We didn't talk about Buddy this time because I want to talk about that next time we talk about that horror movie. I need to see that apparently. Very well done. But... And you need to see Death of a Unicorn. I have not seen it. So maybe we can do that. Something with unicorns. Point is, Acme versus Coyote versus Acme, excuse me. Definitely 100% worth it. Go check it out. If you...

[01:00:52] I mean, at this point, I don't know if it'd probably be in streaming or purchasing, but... Maybe soon. I think it's still theaters right now, but it will be soon, I'm sure. Soon. I recommend it. It's great. And then it goes back to our conversation, right? Like, why we create, why we do these things. All these people lobby behind it. The community online saw something and said, there's no way that something so beloved had so much work put into it with so many people, and it have to not be made.

[01:01:20] And again, even if it's not good, let art be art. Let art be art. Let art be art. Let human-made art be art. Yes. Human-made art. Rich Flew. Remember that. And Looney... Sorry, Looney Tunes. Coyote versus Acme would have been mostly done before the whole generative AI thing got started, so... Well, Kevin Garcia, I've had a blast talking with you. It's always fun when we get to have these moments. Even my fire went out, you know? Your fire is always burning in here.

[01:01:50] Burning, burning, burning. Or if it were Night Axe, it'd be burning right about this location. Right here. Oh, there it is. It'd be burning right around here. Primos, I am your Primo Freddy. Thank you guys for watching, for listening. Check us out again at MyPrimosPodcast.com and at MyPrimosPodcast. And if you like Magic the Gathering with a Latino flair, check out Puro Pinche Magic. Check us out. It's a lot of fun. We get to talk with a lot of community from Mexico and Latin America about Magic the Gathering.

[01:02:17] And Kevin Garcia, where can people find you and how can they support you? Well, I do have KevinGarcia.com, which is all my info. And if you want to know more about Night Axe, NightAxe.com. You know, it takes you straight to the Kickstarter page where there's videos. Check the updates, because in the updates, I put a lot of behind the scenes of the characters and designs and sketches and things like that. And I will be... Where's my phone here? I will be doing a thing in Georgetown in October.

[01:02:48] Georgetown, Texas. Yeah, Bat City Toys in Georgetown, Texas. Is doing something pretty much every weekend of October. And I'll be there on the 10th, you know, giving, selling comic books, talking to people about comic books, and probably not being able to shut up. Well, of course. And we're going to be at Mexamerican, which will be on Saturday, October 31st. Halloween. In Austin, Texas. So keep an eye out. Primos will be sharing the information as that becomes more and more available.

[01:03:17] But go follow at Mexamerican. Check them out on all the socials. And just give them a follow. Again, support art. Support artists. Support the community we always talked about. Primos, like I always say, no matter where you're from, we're all primos. Take care of each other. Check in on each other. Adios. We out! We out!