S7 EP19: Primos Grab bag & Star Wars Acolyte

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[00:00:39] I'm waiting for John to do it. John's right? John's turn?

[00:00:46] He's so busy recording. Yeah

[00:00:49] Yeah, all right here we go

[00:00:51] Que ondas primos primas y primas and welcome back to my primos podcast

[00:00:55] My name is Primo Freddy. With me tonight is my Primo and yours mr. Kevin Garcia.com

[00:01:01] No

[00:01:02] What?

[00:01:04] What?

[00:01:05] That's what you said. You said say what?

[00:01:07] I said say what's up man?

[00:01:10] Audio going bad? Come on. I talked over you right when you said it

[00:01:14] So I heard it was

[00:01:16] Well, say what's up Kevin?

[00:01:18] What's up Freddy?

[00:01:20] Hey, look at that. Look at that everybody. It's night the

[00:01:25] He's becoming slowly just part of part of the team here mr. John Avena from Avena comics. Hey, what's up John?

[00:01:31] How's it going?

[00:01:34] nice nice all right

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[00:01:51] Everybody we are back after a little break, you know

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[00:01:59] He does teach I technically go to school. I mean I go to school to teach but I go to school

[00:02:04] You do go to school is that kind of conversation? I have to go to school tomorrow

[00:02:07] But you work there. You know, you have your gig we have all have gigs John has his gigs family my gigs family all that stuff

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[00:02:31] Tonight we are doing a kind of like a mixed bag. I call it a potpourri

[00:02:36] Kevin calls it a grab bag. How about a

[00:02:39] primory

[00:02:41] Primo re I like it. I like even even saying it. I didn't like it coming out of my mouth

[00:02:48] We're writers we're creative people we can come up with something

[00:02:51] Okay, we're all writers but one of us has done a lot more writing lately John

[00:02:55] How John I like how many primory like

[00:03:00] First idea is the best idea and I was like, yeah, that's it. He said it's the go. Yes

[00:03:05] Where it is the primory I'll order candles. We'll start putting him on the shop

[00:03:09] They each candle smells like one of us. Yeah, you don't want this smell. You don't want this smoke literally

[00:03:18] Wait, I had a tic-tac go kind of viral this week

[00:03:21] And I was on somebody else's like a smaller creators page and they're talking about comics

[00:03:26] And they made a joke and I made a comment like exactly that or whatever

[00:03:28] I don't know what I said. Well, somebody responded to me on their page going. Oh my god. It's Kevin Garcia

[00:03:37] Celebrities guys because there's celebrities here

[00:03:41] Hey, you're you're Kevin Garcia

[00:03:44] Your necessity everybody needs a Kevin Garcia in their life. You fill that hole

[00:03:47] That's what we do here, you know, we fill holes we make it happen

[00:03:50] Kevin, but Kevin

[00:03:53] you

[00:03:54] Me and John

[00:03:55] We're meeting up today. We're having coffee, but what?

[00:04:00] What about your your video went viral explain it to me because I'm not a viral sensation like you or John, you know

[00:04:07] So sir superhero is a creator who's bigger than I am

[00:04:12] I met him just like another week because he visited us and along some other creators

[00:04:16] We're mutuals and he posted a video about a character that shows up in Marvel's Civil War

[00:04:21] Like one of the biggest events in Marvel history and he looks really impressive and he's in like all these major scenes

[00:04:28] No name no dialogue

[00:04:30] But then when he looked them up

[00:04:32] He found out that he's got an entire

[00:04:33] Biography and he's like how does this guy that never has had an appearance with words have a biography and and then all

[00:04:39] These people are tagging me and it Kevin explain this Kevin explain this and I was like

[00:04:42] I was literally buying groceries when I saw all the tags and I was like I know the answer to this question

[00:04:47] I actually know this character and why there's a full biography of this guy that never appeared

[00:04:52] And then I started mentioning all these other guys that actually have full biographies that just

[00:04:57] Never had a real appearance, but they exist

[00:05:00] But wasn't that what you did though? Like you you actually help kind of

[00:05:04] Yeah, but make make the background and stories in the origin of most of these characters

[00:05:09] Well, yes and no like the Marvel handbooks we can we can add information but only to fill in gaps

[00:05:14] We're not making things whole cloth

[00:05:16] So like the guy dies here and shows up alive here

[00:05:19] We can go to the editor and say here's what logically may have happened why he's still alive

[00:05:23] And they could be like yes or just don't explain it

[00:05:25] You know we put like for some reason he came to life

[00:05:27] well in this case

[00:05:28] They went to the original creators who did a little parody comic in like 1989 or something and and they said

[00:05:34] If this guy had a full comic what would his origin have been and they gave this whole tragic backstory

[00:05:40] So now that's canon for the character because the original creator said that oh

[00:05:46] He his wife got obsessed by aliens. He adopted a child. He all this whole big big big backstory

[00:05:53] so now there's like this

[00:05:55] Ground-swell a ground-swell rather of support for this hero called lektron spelled with two ends and no e

[00:06:02] Lektron yeah, and and the people are like he needs to be in Marvel rivals

[00:06:06] He needs to show up in secret wars Wow like that

[00:06:09] The fans are like we marvel needs to have him show up

[00:06:11] It's not explain him to have him show up and the people who know will be like I've been a fan of him for years

[00:06:16] Oh, you want to be that guy Kevin huh?

[00:06:18] But I mean more videos. I actually had heard of him before Secret Wars

[00:06:22] so

[00:06:24] It's always that that cloud, huh?

[00:06:30] I

[00:06:30] Yeah, right I got electrons right here. No

[00:06:34] Well if you wanted to talking speaking of Civil War we did a whole episode about it

[00:06:39] Season 6 episode 21 to be exact

[00:06:42] We covered Civil War cover to cover and it was a blast

[00:06:46] We did a few in-depth episodes that

[00:06:49] Sandman first arc as well. I think we're supposed to do a couple more right Kevin

[00:06:53] We still could we still could you know what would be good since it's in all the high-plated

[00:06:57] We should talk about the the recent Secret Wars

[00:07:00] Crossover though I say recent it was ten years ago almost and you're like but level eight seven eight years ago

[00:07:05] But but yeah, it's what the movie is nominally gonna be based on as much as Infinity Wars based on infinity gauntlet

[00:07:12] I guess

[00:07:13] So we should talk about that you do that that'd be fun, but

[00:07:18] John you want to talk about what are you?

[00:07:21] John wanted to talk to you cuz you know I was following your live speaking of tick-tock. I watch it a lot

[00:07:26] You go live pretty much almost every night

[00:07:28] For those that don't know follow out of in the comics and follow course Kevin Garcia underscore calm

[00:07:33] I go live at least once a year. Hey, it's an event. It's an event. It's like when what is it?

[00:07:39] when

[00:07:41] What is that thing the kind of comet that comes around every thousand years Haley's

[00:07:46] There you go every 76 years 76 years, but I

[00:07:51] Wanted to bring it up. You talk about tick-tock

[00:07:54] You were mentioning cuz the last time you were here. You were like, oh, I've written 25 books

[00:07:57] How many books have you written now you use the number has jumped up?

[00:08:01] I meant 38

[00:08:10] Lately it's just been like all right

[00:08:13] I'll get this one done and then I was like, oh start and then we just started a web comic our first

[00:08:18] Yeah, so it's gonna be for our patreon and we have a free tier for people too and it's basically

[00:08:26] It's called Eddie Valentine. It's like a parody of John Constantine

[00:08:30] I like the name already though. Yeah, it's like a kid detective story about like a vampire who got turned

[00:08:36] He's just spent solving mysteries this whole time

[00:08:40] It's it's got a lot of really fun characters

[00:08:42] I've been sitting on this idea for years

[00:08:44] But I never knew how to tell it and I wanted to do like a weekly comic that I can just give to people

[00:08:50] I found an artist so I wrote the script

[00:08:53] I gave it to him

[00:08:53] I was like just give me it in segments and we'll start making it

[00:08:57] So the first one's gonna be out in like a week or two and then it's just gonna be through patreon only and stuff

[00:09:03] So okay, so your patreon and it's I'm assuming it's on your links, right?

[00:09:08] Yeah, I'm like dot com and avina comics

[00:09:12] So I was gonna say you've been good at branding across pretty good at branding

[00:09:15] Not only that but you're also doing speaking of patreon. You're starting a subscription for your tiktok, right?

[00:09:22] Yes, so we're gonna start interviewing different creators

[00:09:25] Mr. Kevin Garcia is one of them

[00:09:30] And we're gonna do like just live conversations about like creating things

[00:09:35] Comics art that kind of stuff just talking about the process because a lot of people are asking me for like tips and advice

[00:09:42] And a lot of it is like collaboration and this way I get to collaborate with other writers artists

[00:09:48] We have two guests lined up so far for sure

[00:09:52] Colin Bun who wrote for like image

[00:09:56] Good guy. Yeah, and Jim Terry who's an image artist he did one of the lockjaw variants

[00:10:04] So he agreed to come on too so talking to them about just their process and it's like little half-hour

[00:10:10] Just conversations about making comics

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[00:12:20] Welcome back primos

[00:12:21] We're back here together again. We're gonna talk about the boys. So I've had this conversation offline

[00:12:28] Kind of just comments here and there but we never really sat down and and had the conversation of

[00:12:35] Has or is the boys

[00:12:37] Now just a shock

[00:12:39] Show it's no longer there for substance and should it have ever existed

[00:12:45] Okay, okay, that's that's a bad take I know maybe not a bad take but definitely a hot take yeah

[00:12:50] So let's just preamble this with we're gonna spoil stuff. This is the boys

[00:12:55] It's at this point it's already been now you can go watch it if you don't like the boys and watch the boys skip this section

[00:13:02] But we're gonna spoil some stuff right at the end of the day

[00:13:04] We're gonna type a conversation and then marriage the fact that we are gonna have to kind of pinpoint specific things

[00:13:10] But what we sensitive to it as well

[00:13:11] I'm not gonna just literally blade on the table

[00:13:13] But I think that we'll have to kind of pinpoint certain things just to make sure the conversation makes sense

[00:13:18] So we're warned and go from there

[00:13:22] So the episode where Christopher Lloyd shows up as Wolverine

[00:13:26] That's one right yeah

[00:13:29] No, but so the boys is based on a comic that I

[00:13:34] Had read some of but was definitely not a fan. I'm not a big fan of edge lord comics

[00:13:38] you know what I mean and

[00:13:40] There what there are certain times where that made sense

[00:13:43] Okay, so like I wouldn't call Alan Moore's miracle man edge Lord

[00:13:47] But it definitely was that first really pushed that envelope of like what if superheroes but bloodier and more violent?

[00:13:54] You know and then the kind of the zenith of that was like

[00:13:58] beaches

[00:13:59] Brat pack and so like that in the late 80s where it was basically over-the-top

[00:14:04] violence and and and gore, but there was a a

[00:14:10] Premise to it. There was a the purpose of Brat Pack was why our adult superheroes taking children into battle

[00:14:16] So yes, it was very overly sexual and overly violent all these other nasty things

[00:14:20] But it had a message to sell

[00:14:23] This seems like the message of the boys flat out said by the creator is just I hate superheroes

[00:14:29] Let me show you how much I hate superheroes

[00:14:30] And so I couldn't get into the comic and then they made a TV show out of it seems to be

[00:14:35] slightly toned down believe it or not

[00:14:38] But I couldn't get past season one. It just it's not that I can't handle gore and stuff

[00:14:43] I watch a lot of horror movies. I watch a lot of like really intense stuff. It's just so

[00:14:47] Not for me

[00:14:50] What about you John? What did you take on the boys? I I didn't like the comic either

[00:14:54] I

[00:14:55] liked Garth Ennis because I liked preacher and he was like preachers real messed up and I was like it was but

[00:15:01] Preacher was telling a story at least like it had a point and the boys I felt like was just

[00:15:09] Like superhero suck we're bored of them

[00:15:12] But it was also very 90s in the same way like you mentioned like that edgelord era

[00:15:18] I would put Batman nightfall in that. Oh, yeah

[00:15:21] Yeah, to me there's a there's an extension from like Batman nightfall and like Emerald twilight and those kind of things

[00:15:28] We're like, oh, let's make them dark where it's edgelord is like

[00:15:31] Mark Millar's nemesis and stuff like that. It's just like like

[00:15:34] Oh, let's just let's just be brutal for the sake of being brutal because it's funny, you know

[00:15:39] And it's like don't get me wrong violence can be funny, you know in context. So look at that's a that's a that's a running theme

[00:15:46] Though with the boys right if we go to it because it's let's be so

[00:15:52] And this is I hate to use the word because I feel like I'm turning my back on 20 year old me, right?

[00:15:57] Like like why are you so gratuitous like it's almost it's like why when back then I'm like give me more

[00:16:02] But like you said there was a point to it now

[00:16:07] Are there slasher films and you know

[00:16:10] Bee films that we kind of run into and use out of control and bloody and that's what we're there for right?

[00:16:14] We understand that but this one here

[00:16:17] It I feel like there was a time in the first season where they would address those

[00:16:24] Those themes right and there was there was violence. It was it was different

[00:16:28] It was in your face, but you walked away from it. I damn that's because that's how if they were real this would

[00:16:34] This is what it would be like. This is a corrupt. I really don't like that person

[00:16:37] That's the take a lot of people say if we're real this would it be like

[00:16:42] But I hear you but okay that same that sits in the same side of the coin of like there's evil people in the world

[00:16:48] Right like that sits on that same kind of okay

[00:16:50] Yeah, there's evil fuck the people in the world that can do fucked up malicious shit

[00:16:52] And there's some shit that you can't even imagine existing in the real world, right?

[00:16:56] It's just dark dark stuff

[00:16:59] but

[00:17:00] Why I even bring that up is that there's a huge divide between it feels as though we went from the first season that we got these shocking

[00:17:06] moments scenes scenarios whatever we end up now season four where

[00:17:12] There's just no need for it at a certain point like and specifically I bring up

[00:17:17] Season four. I believe is that penultimate episode. I I started watching it and I couldn't

[00:17:23] I kind of stepped away from it because there was sexual assault

[00:17:26] There was just the whole episode was mishandled. So there's been assault since season one

[00:17:33] but you were saying

[00:17:36] It's one thing when they're going to address it as part of the plot and it's another thing when it's just the joke

[00:17:40] Random. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. John. Follow me up as well because I think I'm getting lost in the weeds here but

[00:17:47] The issue is when you have an action when when something when a bomb goes off

[00:17:51] There's a reason the bomb went off, right? So when something like this happens is because there's a reason for it that we're trying to

[00:17:56] To show a reason why someone got

[00:18:00] Uh became the individual they became or why we're going after this situation or why

[00:18:05] The writers chose to do this to make a point

[00:18:08] This was just done to make a fucking joke

[00:18:11] Of it and take it so making character's expense

[00:18:15] Yeah, and it was I like it wasn't even like a sad character character

[00:18:18] That we just met and like oh this is happening to someone. This is like

[00:18:23] The the main character essentially this is hui. This hui. I mean hui. We we follow him to season one

[00:18:29] Yeah, it was fucked up is kevin. I know you don't watch the season. You're not gonna watch it

[00:18:33] But there was an episode before this where there was a tragedy like he had a huge loss

[00:18:39] Yeah, and character development

[00:18:40] A character. I mean

[00:18:43] When I think about that episode that's the strongest episode in that whole season

[00:18:47] Maybe the last two seasons to be fair like

[00:18:50] There was a loss of a family member hui took it hard

[00:18:55] and

[00:18:56] It really opened me up to that. Wow, there could be some depth. You're pulling me back in there's depth here

[00:19:01] And then you fucking smash the next episode and it's this garbage and it's like

[00:19:05] What the fuck man? And I get mad because

[00:19:08] I feel that I've outgrown that

[00:19:12] But because you can see that the shock and the and the explosions and the blood and the gore

[00:19:17] And the idea of them being desensitized to to an assault like that

[00:19:24] Not only to just a random person with any assault. It's wrong, right?

[00:19:28] And any assault like that should be addressed in a negative light, but this was not

[00:19:32] John your thoughts

[00:19:33] Yeah, it it didn't need to happen like from a storytelling perspective

[00:19:38] Um, it did nothing. We kind of talked about this when we did like the the wolverine

[00:19:42] The dead pull over where it was like, oh, this has nothing to do with the plot. This is just

[00:19:48] Fodder and that's what they did with that character with hui

[00:19:52] And I kind of fell off the show a little bit before that

[00:19:55] I was still watching it like because it was the show me and my wife were watching

[00:19:57] But it's just like every time they would do something

[00:20:01] I'm really tired of like the

[00:20:03] Evil superman trope is what I call it. Yeah

[00:20:06] Yeah, a lot. Yeah, a lot of people are tired of that and and and that's yeah

[00:20:09] That's why I'm gonna interrupt you for a quick second

[00:20:11] That's why when freddy said that, you know, it's like what people would what would happen if superpowers are real

[00:20:16] Like the constant refrain that I see online is people that are like

[00:20:20] Well, if you were superman, you'd be evil and it's like no if you were superman, you think you'd be

[00:20:24] Yeah, um, you know, although I have heard a good rebuttal to that which is

[00:20:28] You technically have the power to do a lot of bad stuff now. You're already not doing it

[00:20:33] So if you had the power, you still wouldn't do it. You'd be the same person just with powers

[00:20:38] Yeah, sorry

[00:20:39] No, um, I had a pitch idea earlier that I was kind of messed around with where it's like if I got to do uh

[00:20:44] El Chapolin

[00:20:45] I would do it as like a Ted Lasso like character of like unbreakable

[00:20:49] Optimism in the face of like really horrible stuff and I think like the boys was trying to do like

[00:20:55] inside of

[00:20:57] This character who was like I'll just say like he was kind of be like trumpish, right? Like that was like the whole bit

[00:21:02] Yeah, like early on but at this point like

[00:21:06] I get it already like we get it

[00:21:08] So there's got to be some consequence to a character

[00:21:11] Like someone's got to be held accountable on this show and every time they introduce someone that could make them

[00:21:17] Be accountable for like these terrible things. They just write them off or they're just like oh, they got hit by a bus

[00:21:23] Or they got killed because there really is no

[00:21:25] consequences so I was just kind of like

[00:21:29] We get it it's been four seasons of like look at what he said

[00:21:32] He's riling up like this side of the group and I'm like, yeah, it's been there

[00:21:37] They literally in this season to kind of touch on that

[00:21:39] they literally the starlighters and you know the uh

[00:21:44] Homelanders firecrackers

[00:21:46] Trumpish thing. Yeah firecrackers and all that like they literally are

[00:21:50] parrying what's happening

[00:21:52] In the political scheme right now as people that have been watching the show because like I said after season one

[00:21:57] I gave it all of season one. It didn't discuss to me. It just didn't see a reason for me to come back

[00:22:04] Yes, people have watched it

[00:22:05] I

[00:22:06] And I think a lot of people I know immediately said okay

[00:22:09] We see who they're making fun of but then the idea that in this current season

[00:22:13] So many of the fans have been like wait

[00:22:15] They're making fun of us, you know, and I'm like how did you guys as people have been watching the show react to that?

[00:22:21] Like is it surprising?

[00:22:24] I

[00:22:24] kind of figured that

[00:22:26] Maybe they weren't getting it because I would see people posting

[00:22:30] Memes, but like not getting the joke

[00:22:33] And I was like, oh well, they didn't get it when it was happening like they didn't get like

[00:22:37] Trump didn't want it kind of a thing. I don't know how political is it

[00:22:40] But like obviously yeah, it was about and I'm like it well if they weren't getting in real life

[00:22:45] They're not going to get it in fiction until fiction literally just held up a mirror

[00:22:50] Look what we're doing

[00:22:52] Yeah, they didn't even try to hide it because there's a character her name is like firecracker or something like that

[00:22:57] And basically a storm front right? Is that no not storm front

[00:23:03] And she's like a literal nazi but there's like one who's just marjorie taylor green in a spandex suit

[00:23:10] Okay, and that makes sense because it was so a storm front somebody were like no, she's not that she's and I'm like

[00:23:16] Like her name is storm front

[00:23:18] That's what that is

[00:23:20] Yeah, yeah, and even when they showed like people like oh storm front was like a nazi term

[00:23:26] That was a nazi thing

[00:23:27] They still didn't get it like the storm trooper was like it's a nazi

[00:23:31] Yeah, and storm front is is a is a alt right

[00:23:34] white supremacist's website. So yeah

[00:23:37] And I was like it's literally right like that's when the show is smart and it like

[00:23:40] Keeps me kind of involved because I was like, oh, I know that and then I hear other people that didn't know

[00:23:45] Kind of get educated on it and I was like, okay cool. We're doing something

[00:23:48] But then they never

[00:23:50] Followed through on the consequences of it. I'm like are you pandering to them?

[00:23:54] Are you making fun of them? Like I don't think they knew how to handle that

[00:23:58] And it was just it got messy and then the last episode thing happened and I'm just like, okay

[00:24:04] I'm out of this show

[00:24:06] Like I know it's got like one season left and I feel like announced

[00:24:11] Yeah, we're making one more

[00:24:12] I think it needs to that's the end. There's nothing more they can do man. It has to end because like you said

[00:24:19] If you you have to kill the big bad eventually like like you said Kevin like

[00:24:24] This cannot this evil being cannot just go unchecked

[00:24:29] Forever you can have a tragedy but acknowledge that it's a tragedy

[00:24:34] You know as it is it's almost like yeah, it's funny because he can get away with evil stuff and it's like that doesn't

[00:24:40] You're missing a point here. You're either gonna make it a tragedy or make it a make it a real effort one of the other

[00:24:44] They try to like oh, he had a tragic upbringing. This is how he was raised

[00:24:50] They try to give you that

[00:24:52] But it's too too late too little and even at that point what he's doing to

[00:25:01] Uh avenge or you know avenge himself

[00:25:04] It's fucking just like all right at this point

[00:25:05] I'm just watching the guy just blow people's heads up and I say, okay

[00:25:08] Which don't be wrong. I could go for that. I love the movie rubber if you guys haven't seen rubber

[00:25:13] It is a beautiful movie about just blowing people's heads up. It's great

[00:25:16] Lover

[00:25:18] Didn't do that

[00:25:20] Shoes in a flying car. It's still bouncing in a car. It's still bouncing in a car, but no, it's it's rubber with a car

[00:25:25] Is it tire? Yes. It's the one about the psychic tire. Yeah

[00:25:28] A beautiful movie. It is beautiful

[00:25:31] So we talked about that right if we sign up for that type of movie that type of film cool

[00:25:36] And then the boys is trying to what I felt at this point looking back

[00:25:40] It's like, okay. It's a it's a war of escalation

[00:25:42] It's like, okay. I'm gonna get worse worse crazier crazier crazier crazier crazier

[00:25:47] Now it's so far gone that we're desensitized to

[00:25:51] Homelander and what he does and what he says and we go

[00:25:54] Yeah, the joke is so in your face like john said that this is the joke showing you how extremist

[00:26:00] This character is and what it's based on for trump

[00:26:03] And the fact that we are being desensitized to ignore it and almost go like

[00:26:08] Oh, okay. That's just what they do

[00:26:12] And the same thing goes for that last episode which is why I want to tie it back to that

[00:26:15] We should never get to the point where an assault like that should just be oh, that's just what they do

[00:26:21] You know what i'm saying like that type of action

[00:26:24] Regardless in what medium the this shouldn't just be all oh, that's what they do

[00:26:28] That's not the way I want to enjoy the content

[00:26:31] And I see enough dark shit in the real world when I do escape to dark shit on you know for creative purposes or enjoy horror and what have you use dark tales

[00:26:40] There's a reason the ones that can respect. There's something that comes out of it learn something out of it

[00:26:44] This one

[00:26:45] It just turns me away off together. So i'm surprised i'm saying that

[00:26:49] To be fun of it compare it to another amazon prime show invincible

[00:26:53] Uh that one had in the last episode of the first season

[00:26:58] It's so memorable. They made a pop of it, which I think is ridiculous funko pop

[00:27:03] It was gore on top of gore on top of gore

[00:27:05] But it served a purpose and not only that throughout the series if you watch that first season again

[00:27:10] There was all these moments of violence in the background

[00:27:14] That characters weren't acknowledging and it was not to say that oh, it's just funny because it's violence

[00:27:19] It was that it was always under the surface and they weren't aware of it

[00:27:23] They weren't they it's not that they were like they knew about it and left

[00:27:26] They just weren't aware of it under the surface and so when it finally boiled over it was a shock to everyone

[00:27:31] Whereas I don't feel like that's what the boy's ever attempted, right? No

[00:27:38] Yeah, and like invincible is a good one to compare it to because like it is very graphic. It is very

[00:27:44] brutal

[00:27:44] But it all serves the the show right it serves the purpose of the show

[00:27:49] And what it is and what omni man and invincible can kind of do and all that and then oh my god

[00:27:54] All the people that want to fight them against each other

[00:27:56] sorry

[00:27:58] And like even that it's like

[00:28:00] What homelander has never fought anyone as strong as him. No, we're omni man house repeatedly

[00:28:05] Right. Sorry. I don't I don't want to get into that argument. Sorry. I'm getting into the who would win fight

[00:28:09] I don't know how to do that

[00:28:10] But it's a really obvious thing because there's already a couple youtube videos about that. There are so many. Yeah

[00:28:16] I didn't even realize that was a debate, but like I've gone and kind of ties into this

[00:28:21] Like media literacy is like really dead seriously

[00:28:24] And like everything I post now

[00:28:26] I'm just like how can you take this wrong and then the first comment is someone taking it wrong?

[00:28:31] Like I had a mute

[00:28:34] Comments on a video I made about zoro

[00:28:36] I saw that I was about to comment on that video and I was like are they muted?

[00:28:39] Or like did he mute all his comments? No, just this video and I was like, oh what happened

[00:28:42] It got real out of hand real fast like people calling me terrible things fast and I was like, okay

[00:28:50] I gotta ask why from zoro

[00:28:53] Was it like a racist thing or yeah

[00:28:55] Of course

[00:28:56] Okay, simple that

[00:28:58] Yeah, let other latinos were like real rider died for zoro and I was like you're just settling for what they gave you

[00:29:03] And not realizing that he's like post wartime propaganda

[00:29:06] Yeah, he really was

[00:29:08] And that's what I said in a comment and then that comment had a life of its own so I was like mute

[00:29:14] And it's like we'll go to other videos. It's like when somebody points out that batman is a fascist

[00:29:18] I mean like right he kind of is like

[00:29:21] No, don't get me wrong in the weeds of it. He's not right right but like on the surface

[00:29:26] 100% you know a lot of his villains would be settled with health care

[00:29:31] Mr. Freeze, yeah, fix his wife

[00:29:34] Yeah, man, Pat just wanted to heal people a lot of them were trying to do something nice

[00:29:38] And and a lot of them legitimately needed help

[00:29:40] the

[00:29:42] I get it and the bat the bat gallery is showing us okay

[00:29:47] We should do that for propaganda posters when you go vote for propositions

[00:29:50] Like if only he had if two face only have free health care

[00:29:54] You know, I mean

[00:29:55] Do not want super villains is voting for this unless you not have super villains

[00:29:59] If you want do you want the penguin running everything don't do it. Don't do it. I mean it does own successful businesses

[00:30:09] Successful

[00:30:09] Because they're fronts for illegal businesses. That's the problem

[00:30:12] But everything's about all of the net all right

[00:30:14] Why is there a fucking business here that sells Frito pies and I never see cars there ever

[00:30:19] ever

[00:30:21] They're fucking monitoring money, man

[00:30:23] There's no little Frito pie thing exists

[00:30:26] Whatever I see like a small

[00:30:29] Used car lot that never has a single customer there, but it's been there for decades. I'm like, yeah

[00:30:35] What it is man, that's what it is

[00:30:37] But I want to I want to be the kill

[00:30:40] I go ahead here

[00:30:40] I stopped at a sub shop by my house because it was called like godfather subs and I was like, oh, it's like

[00:30:45] Italian subs I went in they were surprised to see me

[00:30:49] Because they don't like we don't use customers. Why are you here? Yeah, they're like what you don't actually sell food

[00:30:54] Yeah, it's like it made me the sandwich and then there's like they were like getting me out and I was like

[00:30:59] All right, like got your food

[00:31:02] Was a sandwich even it was garbage, right? The bread was like five weeks old

[00:31:06] Yeah

[00:31:10] I want to we need to write that scene like hey on the sandwich. Oh shit. Hey is there bread?

[00:31:17] I thought we were a pet store

[00:31:19] Oh, we're a fucking pet store like oh man, there's sandwiches now. Oh, yeah 10 minutes. That'd be funny, man

[00:31:27] Um, yeah, I want to see I want to be the I want to see the kid that's 16 years old going for his first job at the

[00:31:32] At the Frito pie store and just sits there, you know, like in no cars show up at all

[00:31:38] I'm not gonna lie. I would go to a Frito pie store

[00:31:42] Like if they specialize in Frito pies, they better be amazing

[00:31:48] I

[00:31:50] So if you don't it literally is like

[00:31:53] Do you ever have chili fritos?

[00:31:56] Okay, so

[00:31:58] People outside of Texas have not got I've talked to people outside texts that have not heard of Frito pies

[00:32:02] And yeah, that's literally it's just bag of Fritos pour some chili beans in it, you know

[00:32:08] God so chili Fritos was literally go to the ice cream truck and they slice open with the with the fucking straight razor

[00:32:13] Yep, a bag of Fritos pour chili beans and meat into it

[00:32:18] And here you go

[00:32:19] But in Texas or the south I would assume they make a pie

[00:32:24] Like a fucking little pie out of it with cheese Fritos and chili and cheese and there's your cheater Frito pie

[00:32:31] So I'll just spiked this this grab bag got a lot more grabby in the bag

[00:32:38] There's a bag all right of cholesterol

[00:32:39] But yeah, there's a me and my wife make a joke. We always drive by this place

[00:32:45] It's it's that it's the um

[00:32:47] The the Frito pie place right because we're like there's no business at all

[00:32:51] There's nobody there but they're there and there's one place that only specializes in get this

[00:32:58] Ice tea only not different flavor teas or sodas or fizzy drinks the hto

[00:33:06] Yes, yes, I actually told my partner. I was like, hey, let's go there and get some hot tea and she's like no

[00:33:11] They only have ice tea and I was like

[00:33:16] Specific flavor of cold iced tea that's money

[00:33:20] That's a cold or a money laundering. It's one of the other it's a freaking chain. Okay. Okay, but this is grab bag

[00:33:24] What's our next what's the next topic?

[00:33:26] All right point is

[00:33:28] I don't think me and my wife are gonna go back to watch the boys. I think i'm done

[00:33:32] I think i'm done. I think it's okay to I think the message here is this right?

[00:33:37] You can watch whatever you like there's something for everybody

[00:33:41] But if we're talking about holding people into because I had an argument with somebody that was like

[00:33:46] Really pounding me saying no you have to be okay with it

[00:33:50] Or nothing's allowed and my my response is

[00:33:55] Look, there are certain things that we can all agree universally that are wrong

[00:33:59] Okay, they're just wrong right

[00:34:01] Assault like that is wrong period. Yeah, doesn't matter. Let's not we can't joke about it

[00:34:05] We can't at someone's expense. That's just wrong

[00:34:08] But I have the right to fucking change the channel turn it off

[00:34:12] Skip an episode if I want to you can enjoy all you want you can have those nightmares and those night terrors for it

[00:34:17] Enjoy that but you shouldn't have to

[00:34:22] Hold somebody to your expectations when it comes to that

[00:34:25] And and even then like clockwork orange has assaults like that and they are presented almost like jokes

[00:34:31] But it is part of an overall narrative that is trying to explain what's happening

[00:34:35] And does everybody get the message? No, but like there is still a message there

[00:34:39] And you can choose to watch your shoes not when I when I said the beginning the boys does it deserve to exist at all

[00:34:45] I'm mostly joking like it's not something that I feel needed to be made, but I'm not saying it shouldn't be made

[00:34:50] You know what I mean

[00:34:52] Yeah, and I think it's on your final thought

[00:34:54] It fails itself

[00:34:56] For its storytelling like it fails its storytelling hard

[00:34:59] Like and it wasn't that strong to begin with because we've seen parody superheroes a lot

[00:35:04] And I was like, okay. Well at least this one's like

[00:35:07] Trying to say a message and I think after season one they were like the message is gone

[00:35:14] And we're just gonna write this out as hard as we can and it just it went too big too fast

[00:35:20] Yeah, yeah, you can't have that idea that this just doesn't can't exist right, but you have the choice

[00:35:26] Yeah, everybody should

[00:35:29] And on that note, um, there was a new star war show this past year

[00:35:33] That people had a choice on and there was a whole rebel that loved it

[00:35:38] And a very vocal minority that hated it

[00:35:42] So let me premise this with I am not a star wars person

[00:35:48] I am not a star trek person

[00:35:50] But I know enough about it because it's in the psych guys right in the pop culture

[00:35:54] Definitely that okay. What what what I understood and just you guys are gonna take over here what I understood was that

[00:36:00] Those my that minority

[00:36:03] went ham like it was vitriol

[00:36:06] This was this was the marvel's level vitriol. Yeah

[00:36:11] explain please

[00:36:13] Uh, john you want to give a summary of the show you want me to do that real quick?

[00:36:16] Uh, you can give the summary. Yeah, so basically every star wars thing up to this point

[00:36:21] Has in some way been connected to the skywalkers

[00:36:24] Even the even the spin-off tv shows are in some way connected to the skywalkers

[00:36:29] I think there was there was one series the one that most people don't like that is like the most

[00:36:34] Divorced from it, but they still have like po show up once or twice. He's in the new series, right?

[00:36:40] Well, this series takes place over a hundred years earlier, right?

[00:36:44] And so there's no skywalkers nothing even related to the skywalkers not even a palpatine, you know

[00:36:49] And and so cool something new something in the lore there's been books about this kind of stuff

[00:36:54] But we've never get to see it

[00:36:55] but

[00:36:56] What freaked out a certain segment of people?

[00:36:59] Is that every single main character is a person of color?

[00:37:03] um, and uh, and there are even indications of like lgbt nests may exist, you know and um, and

[00:37:12] There are some white actors in the show

[00:37:14] They all will die in the same episode they appear in or they're in so much up. You cannot tell they're a white person

[00:37:21] um, so and and literally when the first episode came out there were like these tweets about it or x's about it

[00:37:27] Whatever you call them. They were just like, yeah, where are the white people?

[00:37:30] Why aren't there people representing me because yeah, because there's never been a sci-fi show with enough white people in it

[00:37:34] Uh, but but I want to say this about the show is that it focused on

[00:37:39] Oh another thing it did that that really pissed people off is that it suggested

[00:37:44] Maybe the jedi aren't all good

[00:37:47] like it's it's uh, nominally about

[00:37:50] People for the light side of the force a fighting against the dark side of the force

[00:37:54] And and nobody on the dark side really does good stuff, but definitely you get to see

[00:37:59] Stuff that the jedi do that maybe aren't good

[00:38:02] You know and and they do kind of explain it later to an extent

[00:38:06] But it's still there, you know and and they were like no

[00:38:09] You can never suggest that jedi were ever bad and it's like that's literally what the prequels are about

[00:38:14] The prequels are about the jedi failing to do things

[00:38:16] Um people there was like, oh well this thing showed up in this can't be in the

[00:38:20] That was sips are that they're dead. I that went

[00:38:23] They literally one of the comments was

[00:38:25] What how can there be a secret sith and the jedi didn't detect them that was literally what happened in the prequels?

[00:38:31] um, you know

[00:38:34] Yes, another one. There's there you go man

[00:38:36] Yeah, there's a hint of somebody well not a hint they flat out say somebody born without a father

[00:38:40] And people are like what but anakin was the first ever

[00:38:43] No, literally when that happens if you watch episode one, they say we think it's another one

[00:38:48] They like they said we think it's a converge to the force and they've seen this before or there's records of it

[00:38:53] so like

[00:38:54] Nothing in here contradicts anything

[00:38:57] Um and and and here's the kicker for me. I mentioned my partner earlier

[00:39:01] She's never watched any star worst thing all the way through not even not even the movies

[00:39:05] Yeah, she watched every second of acolyte. She ate it up. She loved it. It was drawing in a new audience

[00:39:11] I loved it, you know, yeah, and uh and disney

[00:39:15] two things number one

[00:39:17] Announced that they are canceling season two as they were in pre-production

[00:39:21] Yep, and two

[00:39:23] The day they announced it they pulled acolyte stuff from the stores online

[00:39:29] So you couldn't even buy merch from it like you could still watch it

[00:39:32] It's on disney plus but like merch was gone like like ability to make extra money was gone

[00:39:39] And it seems like bowing to a certain

[00:39:42] demographic

[00:39:43] Yeah, so I am

[00:39:46] If i'm nerdy about anything it is star wars. I ran a star wars dnd game for years

[00:39:51] and the whole point of it was

[00:39:54] I let them choose you're born for sensitive, right?

[00:39:57] But if you're not born in the key area

[00:40:01] So there's like the central core of planets, right and outside of the central core of planets is the outer rim

[00:40:07] And outside of there is wild space and wild space

[00:40:09] They don't know what the force is because that's not the name they have for it

[00:40:13] If you have it that ability

[00:40:15] It's called something else. It's whatever your planet calls it. I want to touch on that real quick

[00:40:20] Yeah, I want to touch on that because I love this

[00:40:22] One thing that that gets a lot of people that are like casually trying to get into star wars is

[00:40:26] Why is there an ice planet and a desert planet and blah blah blah?

[00:40:29] Well, the big thing for me is how is everyone in the entire galaxy the same religion?

[00:40:33] Well, it's colonialism. It's flat out colonialism

[00:40:36] The the the republic colonized most of the galaxy and said the only religion allowed is our religion

[00:40:43] So what's really neat about this show is it shows some like

[00:40:47] Religions and hiding that are trying to still follow their own face

[00:40:51] And the jedi are basically like we don't trust them because they're not jedi, which says a lot about jedi, you know

[00:40:57] And I love that

[00:40:59] Yeah, so one of the things with that is um the jedi

[00:41:02] Aren't a lot of heaven army because of their colonization because they've taken over

[00:41:07] That's why they have the clone army right in star wars. They have like attacks clones

[00:41:10] Because they weren't a lot of habit so then uh jedi breaks the rules

[00:41:15] And builds his own army because he is like one day we're gonna need it and that's what syphidias did

[00:41:21] So there's there's nothing but rules that say the jedi are gonna screw people over

[00:41:27] Right, because what's and this was a part of my dnd story that i'm glad kind of works

[00:41:33] And it was when a child is born

[00:41:36] They're born into the force a lot like if you're a force sensitive child

[00:41:39] You're born and the force will tell the jedi

[00:41:43] We got another one. Yeah, it also tells that to the set

[00:41:46] So then the jedi's job is to come to you as a new parent on a planet far away from anything and say like hey man

[00:41:54] That kid is going to get taken by some evil people possibly so give them to me

[00:42:00] We're gonna take him to a school where you will never see your child again

[00:42:03] Yep, which which is flat out. It's flat out what they say the jedi flat out say

[00:42:07] You will never see your family again

[00:42:09] But at age three you must decide if you want to be a jedi for the rest of your life

[00:42:13] and

[00:42:13] Early on in jedi religion stuff because ekelai touches on all this old republic pre-old republic stuff, right?

[00:42:20] It's like this early temple or dyes

[00:42:22] And a lot of it was oh we had attachments before all this

[00:42:28] But if you killed my lover

[00:42:30] I got angrier and anger leads to passion passion leads to the dark side

[00:42:34] And but it wasn't called the dark side. They were still using regular color light sabers then

[00:42:39] Yeah, the red came from

[00:42:41] Later they wanted to film like an anti religion, right?

[00:42:44] Yeah, like they wanted their own thing and that's when it became its own thing

[00:42:48] But ekelai touched on all of this stuff

[00:42:51] So there is so much more to star wars that it's not George Lucas, right? Like everyone blames

[00:42:55] Kathleen kennedy for everything

[00:42:57] She's literally made everything

[00:42:59] Like how could you blame her for anything?

[00:43:02] That's my point

[00:43:04] Everything you've loved that's come out. She had a pardon everything that you've hated

[00:43:09] She's also had a pardon. So did George Lucas name a movie from the 80s that you liked. She probably produced it

[00:43:14] Yeah

[00:43:16] She was there to like move things along but but also she's not the writer

[00:43:21] Like if you hated something blame the writer not the producer

[00:43:25] Can I stop you guys before you go on deeper off the edge?

[00:43:29] Um because i'm listening but i'm absorbing though because it feels as though

[00:43:33] You're very absorbed. It's a this was a very very porous

[00:43:37] Um sponge even you know, uh same same consistency of this gut

[00:43:42] It is

[00:43:44] it eats um

[00:43:47] What's gonna say

[00:43:48] What i'm getting is the fact that stuff like that because it's so

[00:43:57] It's so big right? Yeah, but it sounds like ekelai was actually a jumping off point for somebody to walk in and go

[00:44:04] Oh

[00:44:05] This is what the jedi the world knows. Look at the jedi's the sky walkers all that stuff the dark side of the lights

[00:44:11] All that stuff

[00:44:12] Accurate scenes from what you're saying to have been a good jumping off point for somebody like me that may have

[00:44:17] Been surrounded by your your ilk that loves our wars

[00:44:21] What not and just didn't have a dog in that fight

[00:44:23] But now you can kind of go like oh well colonization, you know assimilation

[00:44:28] All these things religion right like all these literally the the jedi were police in this one

[00:44:33] So so it was the uh, so it's because even the police

[00:44:36] The police is a jab I'm not always good where they were so back in the early days of like forced jedi stuff

[00:44:43] Your job as a jedi was to go sit in an outpost

[00:44:46] Like a samurai because that's what george lucas was ripping off. Yeah, and then you would go and say like hey

[00:44:52] Yeah, I have a problem. Can you help the jedi comes?

[00:44:56] They're peaceful negotiations the jedi never touched the lightsaber unless they mean to use it

[00:45:00] Total samurai nonsense stuff like that's what they were going for and then

[00:45:05] Like occasionally they mess up right there's still people

[00:45:09] And that's what people forget because they're like all brown people and lgbtq people and women

[00:45:15] And women there's they all main characters are women most the wing cares are women

[00:45:20] So, you know darth mall pointy the guy with the pointy stuff

[00:45:23] So he belonged to like this tribe of people called like the night sisters

[00:45:27] Yes, and they were witches that bent the force to their own thing

[00:45:30] And they were they were not sith or jedi which made them evil because they weren't one of them, you know

[00:45:35] And then they show up in mandalorian. So me as like a star wars fan know like oh, yeah night sisters

[00:45:42] They're a big part of uh, asoka

[00:45:45] And it's it already exists. Oh, yeah, it was a soka and like they already exist

[00:45:49] So we already know that so to see another

[00:45:52] Organization group use the force as something else and everyone lost their minds

[00:45:57] I'm just like, you know, it's fantasy because there's a third political party. That doesn't exist in real life

[00:46:02] Exactly. So no, but that's the thing we're getting fourth and fifth ones, which is really crazy like

[00:46:06] Mas canada lupita nyongos character from the jj abram's movies

[00:46:09] Yeah, um, you know, she was a force user that was not jedi or sith. I loved as much of those movies were

[00:46:15] And I loved that she existed there

[00:46:17] But but I want to see something else in rogue one the guy was rogue one with the sith

[00:46:21] Well, so he was a jedi who did not have the force like he was he was one

[00:46:25] He was everything that was a jedi

[00:46:27] But he did not have the force he believed in the light, but he wasn't a force wasn't and he wasn't yeah

[00:46:32] Yeah, so I was like this is perfect. Exactly. Um, but I want to add something else to this series

[00:46:38] Which is for everybody that was like i'm hardcore into the lore they're changing it which a we've already established

[00:46:43] They weren't they also showed for the first time stuff on screen that had never been shown before

[00:46:49] Like how a lightsaber turns red there's been

[00:46:53] Prior to hold on stop right there stop right there. You're gonna have both of you're gonna answer this for me then

[00:46:58] I thought you paid a lot of silver amount of money in front of a guy at disney land and chose your colors

[00:47:03] Because through crystals, isn't that how you get your colors? So you go to disneyland if I turn this camera

[00:47:09] There's a wall

[00:47:11] Oh, I've got I've got two on I've literally got two hanging on my wall over there

[00:47:14] Okay, so here's the thing if you go to disneyland and you're gonna see like a blue one and a green one

[00:47:19] Yeah, there's a different color and you might see a purple one right?

[00:47:22] But if you go hey, um, do you have any red ones?

[00:47:24] He says give me your hand and then he cuts you and you scream in pain and then he gives you red one

[00:47:29] So it works there. Uh, no no no, but but like what i'm saying is in the in the pre disney era

[00:47:35] There was kind of like well they there were no rules

[00:47:37] You know they were just like we have colors, you know, but um

[00:47:41] When disney codified the the lord said there's too much shuff, you know

[00:47:45] They said all right

[00:47:47] Well, how do lightsabers turn red and there was this establishment of it takes effort

[00:47:51] And they made this whole comic about vader like

[00:47:54] burning his lightsaber and and this um

[00:47:57] And this character doesn't do this whole pain thing, but we learned through this show

[00:48:03] Uh extra steps that made sense which is number one that the emotions were there

[00:48:08] Whereas vader had to like fight for them because he'd been trained Jedi his whole life

[00:48:11] And and number two it had to touch your skin

[00:48:15] And they even zoom in and show the crystal touching her skin

[00:48:18] And then it starts turning red against her will like she isn't trying to do it

[00:48:22] It just happens because she's got so much anger in her and i'm like this is so cool to see that as soon as I saw

[00:48:28] That happening I was like, oh my god. We're actually seeing it for the first time

[00:48:31] Was this okay, is it seeing it for the first time? But has it ever been hinted at before?

[00:48:35] Yes in in the books in in the tie-ins, but never

[00:48:39] I don't actually you know, I don't know. I didn't watch the cologne words cartoon

[00:48:41] Did they did they hint at it in the cartoon?

[00:48:43] No, so so in the tie-in in the in the literature, you know

[00:48:46] Yeah, which which this one brought in a lot of stuff in the literature

[00:48:49] There was a there was some background character in one of the first episodes that a lot of people caught

[00:48:53] That I wouldn't have caught that hasn't shown up since the the the the nice old republic games

[00:48:58] You know that type of that type of alien it wasn't a character. It was that alien

[00:49:02] And I like that kind of lore is just beautiful and here's the thing. Here's the thing. Let's let's leave all that aside

[00:49:10] The story was good

[00:49:12] You have you know, you first start start off with a who done it

[00:49:15] Then it becomes a almost a family drama and then it becomes literally an epic

[00:49:21] Good versus evil full on you know battle

[00:49:24] So you have these three different things as it as the as this short series goes through in the season

[00:49:29] To the point that it has some amazing battles and that's where we get to

[00:49:32] The other thing halfway through the series that got a ton of fans, which is

[00:49:37] Manny Jacinto

[00:49:40] The goofy idiot from the good place

[00:49:43] Is now a sex symbol thanks to star wars

[00:49:46] Yeah, man

[00:49:47] Like and not only that he was cool and nothing is cooler and Star Wars than a cool bad guy, right?

[00:49:54] Darth Vader, Darth Maul

[00:49:56] Grievous like the cooler the villain the better your star wars movie

[00:50:01] Is the only thing that's not cool about him is he doesn't have a cool evil name

[00:50:04] They didn't they didn't they he's only in the subtitles. He's just called the stranger

[00:50:09] Right, but we would have gotten to it and then he had the second season

[00:50:12] That's kind of the thing that bothered me too. So the show I liked it

[00:50:15] I feel like they could have condensed it and then given us more of like that second arc of it

[00:50:21] Right after that. So like the ending of it could have been the halfway mark of the show and then

[00:50:26] Like let it play out a little bit more on what happens to the characters after that and I would have been super happy

[00:50:32] But I'll I still like this show because it was giving me all the stuff because as a Star Wars fan

[00:50:37] there's like

[00:50:38] The George Lucas era the like yeah four five and six

[00:50:41] And then timothy zahn is this writer who wrote like all this extended lore that George Lucas just said

[00:50:48] Yeah, the books

[00:50:49] The books and that was awesome. That's all we really got and then one two and three came out

[00:50:54] And then Samuel Jackson. I want a purple lightsaber

[00:50:56] I would only call the George Lucas era one two and three because four was mostly his wife

[00:51:03] Um five and six were other directors doing stuff that he didn't fully want to do but he got signed off on it

[00:51:09] yeah, so

[00:51:11] One two and three are the only star wars things that are 100 percent George Lucas

[00:51:15] And it shows terrible too

[00:51:18] aren't they don't don't people go

[00:51:22] They just hate the prequels like isn't that a whole thing like okay? No, here's the thing. It's generational. It's generational

[00:51:27] All right, like if you were a child like for example me I love Return of the Jedi

[00:51:32] Yes, it's I it's the first one I saw in theaters because the first one I was old enough to see in theaters

[00:51:36] I was like five or six. I don't remember

[00:51:38] but like

[00:51:39] Um, but I love it and I still to this day feel like it's a legitimately good movie

[00:51:44] But at the time it came out people were like you can't have teddy bears fighting the empire, you know and and then I

[00:51:51] fully agree with all of the the the takedowns of

[00:51:56] Episode one

[00:51:56] But there are people who saw it when they were five and they loved it and I don't blame them for it

[00:52:01] And you know what the same thing's going to happen with force awakens and the and and the you know those movies

[00:52:06] So that's fine. I like force awakens actually

[00:52:10] It's fun, but it doesn't add anything new

[00:52:13] It's episode over. It is with with a couple new characters

[00:52:17] But it's fun like it was fun. It definitely is fun

[00:52:20] Yeah, and I was I was like all right the four five new ones were but isn't it the fans

[00:52:25] Like you said those fans that are like this is their treasure. This is their fucking like holy grail of

[00:52:30] Okay, them that they don't want it sully. There's been some fucking way

[00:52:34] Those same fans said one of the said two different things one is you can't have somebody born through the force because it has to have only been

[00:52:41] Anakin which

[00:52:41] Literally Yoda is having conversation people about like like well, this could be the thing like they've seen it before

[00:52:47] Like it's definitely something simple and number two they say well

[00:52:50] How could manage sentos character be here when when there should be this other character?

[00:52:54] Guess what he shows up like he's only in one brief scene

[00:52:56] But it's just enough to be like if we get a season two you get to see the real villain

[00:53:02] And it's like yes, I want that this is going to be the nerdy she gets I've ever seen me so I apologize

[00:53:07] And on this podcast you should be

[00:53:09] So you go into like the rule tool of the sith right?

[00:53:12] So there can only be two and the only reason why that exists is because uh one sith guy

[00:53:17] Fell in love and everyone said you can't do that here because we're uh a tribe of warriors

[00:53:22] And we go out and we count big 300, but they're just all sick, right?

[00:53:27] So then uh the guy is just like, well no me and my girl like I love her

[00:53:32] You can't take her away from me and his trainer was like i'm gonna do just that

[00:53:36] So he decides

[00:53:38] That it's you and me babe against the world and that's as far as his story

[00:53:43] I didn't know all this lore. I knew I knew bits of this, but I like your version of it better the way

[00:53:46] I heard so he clears them out right he clears them out and it's just you and me

[00:53:52] Against everybody

[00:53:53] But the the whole thing is only the strongest survive, but that's one planet at a time

[00:53:59] So on another planet

[00:54:01] There's another tribe of sith and they exist

[00:54:04] And he has to go there and he has to clear them out

[00:54:07] That's not an easy task. So over time he starts training another

[00:54:12] Young apprentice and with always the same rule one day your job is to kill me and we're gonna move on

[00:54:18] You see it in the old republic video games

[00:54:21] Where it's like the rule of two but the rule of two only exists as

[00:54:26] master and apprentice in the sith, but they're a lot of have buddies

[00:54:30] And they do because and potential purchases down the line

[00:54:34] Palpatine and maul

[00:54:35] But maul's not dead, but dooku exists

[00:54:38] So then we're breaking lore by having that no it exists

[00:54:41] Anyway, because people still live and you can live in the force no matter what

[00:54:46] And that's what red light sabers are in

[00:54:49] Clone Wars so many red light sabers and then like

[00:54:54] Sajj Ventress exists

[00:54:56] In the cartoon there's a woman with two lightsabers and she's uh fucking badass

[00:55:00] But she's technically sith because you're not breaking the rule too

[00:55:04] Because they were afraid to put a label on it because they they made a rule that they couldn't undo even though all they had to say was

[00:55:11] Well to this small group of sith these two means the whole galaxy will exist

[00:55:16] It's a whole galaxy. It's like saying

[00:55:18] I appreciate they did that with the mandaloreans by the way the mandalorean series they flat out were like no

[00:55:22] There's different mandaloreans that have different religions worked out

[00:55:25] Yeah, and that's all they did the sith is uh, it's like saying catholic

[00:55:29] But then there's like romain catholic. There's christian like catholicism is the the room that we're all in

[00:55:36] And we all fall into separate categories sith is

[00:55:40] The the term and sith people fall into different categories same with the jedi

[00:55:46] And they just the point is this show didn't want to believe it the show brought in that lore

[00:55:51] Without any of the complexes of it like it brought it to somebody who's never seen it before been like

[00:55:57] I don't know backstory, but I get what this is

[00:55:59] So when that one little dude showed up and you saw him in the shadows

[00:56:02] If you don't know the lore it means nothing to you except there's somebody else here

[00:56:05] But if you know the lore you're like, oh cool. I know what's gonna happen next

[00:56:08] I can't wait, you know, and then they cancelled it

[00:56:11] yeah, I feel like they shot themselves on the foot here because

[00:56:15] Isn't the goal to attract more eyeballs not just the same

[00:56:19] No, you want the same eyeballs that's their goal. You need the same eyeballs every time

[00:56:22] The problem is

[00:56:25] Rotten tomatoes needs to go away

[00:56:27] Like rotten tomatoes doesn't serve any purpose at all

[00:56:32] You know what lepros doesn't have a hundred percent score on there and that is just

[00:56:36] Yeah, not

[00:56:38] But it's hands out once you get rid of

[00:56:41] Rotten tomatoes and film review scoring

[00:56:45] And you just focus on we're releasing the movie if you don't like it whatever

[00:56:49] Then studios will get their power back

[00:56:52] From like these people that hated the marvels even though the marvels

[00:56:55] It's fine which I love to the marvels. By the way, I think it's hilarious that we're like arguing for why the studio should have more

[00:57:00] Abilities to do things but it's true because

[00:57:03] Don't bow to these people

[00:57:05] And the whole

[00:57:11] And he he's the studio was all over him about how they wanted this to be the next action film because

[00:57:16] And he couldn't do the film he wanted to do and that's why it fucking sucked, you know

[00:57:20] Because he couldn't do what he wanted to do

[00:57:21] That's what happened every single fox superhero movie except for Deadpool

[00:57:26] And the only reason deadpool got the got the got the freedom of it

[00:57:30] Is that the producers literally thought it was going to fail and went nothing to do with it

[00:57:33] That is the only reason deadpool was was a well made superhero movie from fox every other fox superhero movie

[00:57:38] And yes, I include Logan uh was not great

[00:57:43] star wars

[00:57:45] sorry

[00:57:50] Yeah, so I thought on acolyte just so I don't like

[00:57:53] rant for explode

[00:57:55] yeah, it's

[00:57:57] They were building up to something cool

[00:57:59] And I totally got it and it was like the evolution of the sith into what we would know it to be

[00:58:05] And also the the downfall of the jedi you could see the dominoes being laid that are going to fall in the prequels

[00:58:12] Yeah, and there's like

[00:58:14] The whole build up to what the said I

[00:58:17] Jedi are going to be and like how they become a smaller form of government

[00:58:20] Because even by the time we catch up to the jedi in like episode one, they're not on every planet anymore

[00:58:26] They're just there and that's why they have like the jedi console because

[00:58:31] People aren't buying into the jedi anymore like they've already lost favor. It's all going to hell

[00:58:36] And that would have been so cool to see because we could have seen like and I don't want to see yoda show up in everything

[00:58:42] Like i'm tired of like legacy characters

[00:58:45] But it would have been cool to see

[00:58:47] The extension of the jedi masters that came before them because they're all legends

[00:58:53] And I would have liked to have seen a jedi who

[00:58:56] Was there to kill because we haven't gotten that we got

[00:59:00] Obi-Wan, who's still the best jedi. Oh man, there is such a body count in acolyte. There is such a body count

[00:59:06] Which which I I approve of this body count because it makes sense

[00:59:12] You know made sense for the story because they're i would love you see them die after you love them

[00:59:18] Yeah, that story you told about they can only be two the sith and how they go how that story

[00:59:24] Dude, i'm like fuck like what can I see that like that would be amazing to see on screen

[00:59:29] Sentos character is not going to do well like if this series were to continue a few more seasons

[00:59:33] His character is going to have a horrible end and we're going to all cry if we get those seasons

[00:59:37] Which is the sheik'sperian thing about the

[00:59:41] The sith right Darth bane doesn't get a happy ending

[00:59:44] He's he's running off with his girl and it all goes to hell

[00:59:48] And that's the tragedy of the sith. That's why they have like the do you know the tragedy of Darth?

[00:59:53] Like that's the bs of the sith is you will never get what you want. You will always be chasing your tail

[01:00:01] Maul is the guy pushing the boulder up the cliff for forever

[01:00:04] Because that is what the force wants and that's what these nerds don't get

[01:00:10] Is like what you want from the force like everyone wants who's the like the alpha

[01:00:14] Or I hate when people do like the power count for like goku and stuff

[01:00:18] Yeah, but that's what they want from star wars and I was like listen the force is going to take away from one to get to the other

[01:00:24] Based on what it needs to survive. It doesn't care about you

[01:00:28] I want to get one last thing on this too and that is

[01:00:31] As they are announcing the cancellation which by the way for the one of the few times ever in my life

[01:00:37] I actually signed an online petition to bring it back

[01:00:39] um

[01:00:40] As they're announcing it there's a new show supposed to come out in the next few months called

[01:00:44] Star Wars skeleton crew, which is also live action

[01:00:48] Only the the premise here is that what if we aim to show at kids and I don't mean little little kids

[01:00:54] But I mean it's like stranger things

[01:00:57] Goonies more like goonies

[01:00:58] So it looks like in fact, they're deep into the point that if you watch the trailer

[01:01:02] There are bits that look like they were in the 1980s earth and it's not that's not what they are

[01:01:05] They're on another planet, but like you got a galaxy this big. Why can't you have a planet?

[01:01:09] It looks like that go for it. You know what I mean?

[01:01:11] I was gonna touch on that, you know, because I feel like star wars has always been in this little bubble

[01:01:16] For being about space and the unknown

[01:01:18] Like it's almost fantasy small

[01:01:20] Yeah, but it's making yourself so small

[01:01:22] Like this you need to be open to the fact that there's so much more that could possibly exist

[01:01:28] And it does in like other forums you get really cool star wars stories. Uh, there's a comic called dr afra

[01:01:35] Oh, yeah, it's indiana jones and star wars as a mad scientist who sometimes works for vader

[01:01:41] And it's it's so cool and you get really cool side characters and the best star wars is written by other people

[01:01:49] and that's like

[01:01:51] Like timothy's on the guy talked about his star wars saga after that so so great

[01:01:56] but

[01:01:57] When star wars gets into the hands of storytellers

[01:02:01] It expands it blows up. It's beautiful. It's like a whole thing

[01:02:04] And then when you just take it and you're like, oh these people don't like

[01:02:09] This they got mad at lightsaber whips and i'm like we've been talking about that for years

[01:02:13] Like that was that's been around since the 90s

[01:02:16] Yeah, there there's a comic called birth of the force

[01:02:20] And it talks about how like some of the first four shukers like users were wookies in clone wars. There's a

[01:02:26] wookie Jedi

[01:02:28] Was it a light saber, right?

[01:02:30] Yeah, and then in the show they show a wookie jedi and I saw the comments saying oh

[01:02:34] Why is chubaca here? I was like first of all get chewy's name out of your mouth

[01:02:39] Second

[01:02:40] I was like, I know chewy you sir are no chewing

[01:02:43] And then like just to piss off the last of the nerds if they want to argue about lore and star wars stuff

[01:02:51] Whatever you say is invalid because the star wars christmas special is canon

[01:02:55] And which that means that chewy walks around naked because he wants to because everyone else in that one's close

[01:03:01] That has always freaked me out because i'm like

[01:03:04] Canonically the wookies have been part of the the the bigger galaxy republic for like 5 000 years at least

[01:03:11] They know clothes exist and we've seen them wear clothes

[01:03:15] Chewie is a nudist

[01:03:21] Hey, you know what sometimes what is what is uh, what does uh kevin say it be that way sometimes

[01:03:27] It do be do be it do be it do be do be do even in a galaxy far far away

[01:03:33] But primos we got a we have we have fun here went to a star wars deal, which I did not see coming

[01:03:40] um

[01:03:41] But this was fun is grab bag kind of opened up a lot more and you know what you guys got me interested in reading a little more

[01:03:47] about star wars, so

[01:03:49] I think i may dive into some of the books comics

[01:03:52] Uh, I think that's maybe where i'm going to kind of pick your brains for that

[01:03:56] Primo's let me know where I should start because i'm sure you all have

[01:03:59] You know opinions, but

[01:04:01] Uh before we wrap up the show tonight, uh, I want to just think of course

[01:04:04] You know john kevin always been on here and just kind of spending time with us peeking out together, right?

[01:04:09] Um, is there anything that you know kevin?

[01:04:12] I know you usually have like a convention coming up something coming up

[01:04:15] You want to just kind of announce so when people know about that way they can kind of keep an eye on for it

[01:04:21] Well by the time this comes out

[01:04:22] I will have already been at armadillo con in austin, which is the longest running convention in austin

[01:04:28] It's it's a sci-fi convention not a count book convention. So there's no cost players and and it's it's much more of a

[01:04:35] Let's say a sub dude crowd, but still a lot of fun and i'm apparently going to be interviewed by a puppet

[01:04:40] um

[01:04:41] Yeah, I was they signed me up originally

[01:04:45] To be on a panel talking about chispa comics because they've got koneha coming out soon from uh from chiefs buds scout comics in the 13

[01:04:51] um

[01:04:52] And but then when I got the email they said here you are you're on this panel with uh with a puppet

[01:04:57] I go what and they go. Oh, sorry. We didn't put you on there. Do you mind to be interviewed by a puppet?

[01:05:01] I said no

[01:05:01] I want to be

[01:05:02] I would love to be interviewed by a puppet. So i'm gonna be interviewed by a puppet

[01:05:06] Um, I also have comic indy con in houston on the 21st

[01:05:10] That is it's just exactly what it sounds like. It's all about indy comics. It's really great

[01:05:14] I'll be in san Antonio on october 5th for kasa

[01:05:18] Which i'm looking forward to a lot. I'm going to be there with uh freddy lopez jr

[01:05:21] Who did the cover for world's war comics, which is delayed? I know backers it's delayed, but i'm getting it done

[01:05:26] it's it's

[01:05:28] All of the stuff that required other people is done and now it's the one man show and that's the hard part

[01:05:33] Uh, which john that's why i'm always always jealous of you. Um, and then uh, what do we got here?

[01:05:39] Then I have uh, mex american on november 2nd in austin, which is exactly what it sounds like

[01:05:45] Not just mexican, but also other latin american

[01:05:48] Descended and and born creators showing off their art

[01:05:53] And I got uh, I want to stop there. I got more

[01:05:57] Then it's close to it's close to our end of season right in ron november

[01:06:00] So when we kind of shut down the season

[01:06:02] It's crazy that we're getting to that point, you know, it's getting there. It's getting there

[01:06:06] john

[01:06:07] I know you have stuff coming up and you have events and some new books that have come out or coming out

[01:06:12] So what did you want to show us?

[01:06:14] Uh, so coming out is familiar dungeons too

[01:06:17] Uh

[01:06:19] Or it's really fun. I had a lot of fun writing that one lock job number three

[01:06:24] Which uh, finally gives everyone what they want just like

[01:06:26] Nonsense the whole second half of the book is one long fight sequence and his jaw actually gets locked

[01:06:33] From it does right you see it

[01:06:35] Actually, if you go back and you read the the books you see his jaw gets stuck like that's

[01:06:39] Bad joke that's what happened. Yeah, we can't sing anymore. So like yeah, well, it's true

[01:06:45] Yeah, I know I forgot because I read the first issue a while back and I'm like, oh, yeah, that's right

[01:06:49] Yeah, so

[01:06:50] And then issue three is coming out and then burrow number two which is like my red wall

[01:06:55] It's it's red wall meets mandalorian. It's um

[01:06:58] A mouse knight is sent out to protect a newborn prince until he's ready to come home

[01:07:03] He the trip ends up he has to come back earlier because now there's a threat and that's where book two is gonna pick up

[01:07:11] Cool cool. And you have any conventions coming up?

[01:07:14] Uh new york comic con

[01:07:16] So I will no big one. Okay little one

[01:07:19] Yeah, so i'll be in the small press section uh fighting for my life. So we'll see how it goes fair enough

[01:07:25] Yeah, definitely. I hope you'll have mice knights protecting you

[01:07:30] I hope mice nice. I hope you have nice

[01:07:33] mice knights

[01:07:35] Whoa

[01:07:36] Nice mice nights nice night mites

[01:07:39] All right, but you might you might uh, well for me. I am not appearing anywhere

[01:07:46] I am not creating anything yet. I will be a mix america. See you are appearing something right?

[01:07:51] I will appear. So, you see this is the thing. I'm not like I don't have a table. I'm not presenting

[01:07:56] I'm just gonna make an appearance. I feel like we're gonna throw you on stage

[01:07:59] I feel like we should do that you feel like it can try i'm pretty heavy

[01:08:03] Um the well when I say we I mean I'll be like directing people larger than me throw him on stage

[01:08:08] Isn't he no pretty slow? He's pretty pretty buff dude, you know

[01:08:11] Yeah, you could take me you could take and by taking me into dinner. He's very nice. Yeah, exactly. That's what I'm talking about

[01:08:17] um

[01:08:19] But no it is fun going to mix america. I love seeing all my friends

[01:08:22] You know all the creators that we meet up at and we do text with you know comic con

[01:08:26] Uh, so it's fun. I do like going out there have a blast and we're gonna have them on the show as well

[01:08:31] Here in the next couple weeks so keeping up with that primos

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