[00:00:02] Hi there, Primos! Welcome back to my Primo Podcast! And I'm back, your Primo Freddie. Rising from the Dead! No, just spend a little time off. But I'm back. Rising from the Mist! From the Mist. From the Mist. From the Unknown. Here I am.
[00:00:41] Of course, and that voice you hear there is of course My Primo and Yours Mr KevinGarcia.com Hey, what's up Kevin? What's up Kevin? I missed having you last week because I didn't have anybody to refer to me as KevinGarcia.com
[00:00:58] and it felt like something was missing from my life. We need to make a t-shirt, just like KevinGarcia.com on it and you can wear it and everybody can wear it and it becomes a thing. Especially if you can follow him on TikTok.
[00:01:12] Say that as if I don't already own a shirt with my face on it because I do. You should wear it more often everywhere you go. Just hand out business cards with your picture on it. Well, there you go. There you go. What you know for?
[00:01:25] Kevin is good to be back. I'm excited. Primoz thank you guys for hanging in there and of course I want to thank Elia for stepping in as well and yourself for covering those interviews. Last week's was awesome. I really enjoyed the movie.
[00:01:38] I was having a Christian Mercado on there. That was a lot of fun. I really enjoyed the movie. Did you ever get a chance to watch it? Oh yeah man, loved it. Me and my wife really loved it. I love the aesthetic and just the energy.
[00:01:51] If you were the last. If you were the last. Yeah, it's on Peacock by the way so go check it out. It is fun. It's a lot of fun. There is a lot of tear jerkers in there that came out of nowhere.
[00:02:00] I didn't expect it for me to be like a very, you know, just to kind of digress over our topics tonight but just, you know, I didn't expect to feel what I felt.
[00:02:09] I just watched it with my dad a few minutes ago, a few hours ago and literally he was at the edge of his seat toward the end of the movie. He's like, is he going to find out about the butt tattoo?
[00:02:18] Is he going to find out about the butt tattoo? And I was like, he's really good at this. It's a fun movie. Definitely dig it and yeah, I mean, I didn't expect that. So Anthony Mackie, man, he's kind of, I mean, I know he's he's a cap
[00:02:33] and all that, but he really surprised me in that film too. A little more. Yeah, definitely, definitely. Well, Primoz tonight. We're here to have a superhero conversations. We are going to talk about Loki season two and everything that came
[00:02:48] about it, where everything that was hidden between them, the Easter eggs and Mr. Kevin Garcia, the Marvel encyclopedia can kind of vote. Sir, no. Oh, wait, hold on. Wait, I need to correct there. Not referring me as a Marvel encyclopedia.
[00:03:04] You may call me Marvel Handbook, but not in psych. OK, so if you go to the bookstore and you buy something called the Marvel encyclopedia, they don't credit the writers of the Marvel handbooks, but they definitely, you know, scour
[00:03:15] from those handbooks, but they're not actually giving any kind of credit. You know, even the special things would have been cool, but they don't. They just, you know, I completely 100 percent read this on my own and didn't look at any summaries. Interesting. OK.
[00:03:28] Handbook writers, I know because I was part of them dig through every single issue to make sure they don't miss anything. And again, I'm not saying I'm not saying that the encyclopedia writers don't do that, but I am saying that I guarantee you
[00:03:39] handbooks were involved and yet you know what I mean? Handbooks, the handbook writers are the unsung heroes of the MCU, guys. Exactly. You use the handbook, Mr. Kevin Garcia, but I don't know what we'll think of a cool name down the line. We have we have time.
[00:03:55] Do we have time? Handyman, not as it really work at all, does it? No. OK. Like if you're going to be an authority, right? On on on time, I got nothing. Nope, I got nothing. Nothing on time. The I mean, it's variable for this like a variable.
[00:04:15] Like the TV time variable time. Anyway, so I'm talking about Loki, right? Here we go. You know, it's funny when this series was first announced, I had two thoughts. Number one, you know, they're giving us a series starring a villain,
[00:04:33] which which a means the villain is going to be a hero by the end. But I'm OK with that because that was always Loki's journey. Anyway, at least for the 21st century's business journey,
[00:04:41] comics and movies, even in the prior to that, he was always just evil for evil's sake. But but over the past 20 years, it's really been about Loki's evolution in the comics and movies. And number two, when I saw the trailer and I saw those three letters, TV,
[00:04:56] I was like, oh, man, they're going to do it. They're going to do a fun time travel, you know, romp, and it's going to have the TV in it. And it was all of my expectations. It really was because TVA was such an obscure thing.
[00:05:13] Like they showed up in a lot of comics over the years, but always like in the background, I think whenever they get a starring role, it's usually when a comic wants to make a joke about how continuity doesn't make sense.
[00:05:23] You know, but like, they are a day at six, Makinna. They're just oh, yeah, yeah, exactly. There's even a She-Hulk story where where they they call her up for for like messing with the timeline. But after they let her go, they're like, could you handle this guy?
[00:05:37] Because he keeps time traveling. He's not supposed to. Can you just watch him now? So she comes if she becomes in charge of a character from Marvel's Old West that's trapped in the present. So it's just it's ridiculous and I enjoy it.
[00:05:49] You know, when Loki first came through, we talked about it last season as well when it was out and we really enjoyed it. We're fans of it. And I was always hoping that this would open it up to where I can see the variants of the Avenger variants.
[00:06:04] You know what I mean? Because I'm a fan of Thunderstrike. I'm a fan of that run with Kang and how the two factions of Avengers go after each other, you know, like I was excited for that to happen.
[00:06:14] We didn't get that, but we got something more out of this, you know? Yeah, that was the Terminatoric subjective where you have the the mainstream trilogy, not trilogy, what do they call them? The I guess the trinity of Avengers versus their counterparts. But like
[00:06:31] I was never expecting the cameos. I think a lot of people were like, oh, I really wanted Thor to be in this season or either. But I wasn't I was happy with the cameras we got because I liked that
[00:06:41] despite this being a massive epic that literally goes across realities. It was really a personal story for all of the characters involved. And I enjoyed that. Yeah, this this show in general, both seasons, especially the second one here, which we'll dive deep into.
[00:06:56] By the way, this is a spoiler filled episode, everybody. If you have not finished season two of Loki, definitely go check it out and come back and enjoy this thoroughly. Because we're going to dig deep.
[00:07:06] But or or and this is probably the only time I'll ever say this for a spoiler review, listen to our entire review, then travel back in time and have watched the show before hearing it. If you do both of those, you are a true fan of the show.
[00:07:21] You're more than just a fan at that point. You're traveling back and slipping in and out of time. You're a master of that time. You're a master fan. You'll be a time Lord. It would be time Lord.
[00:07:33] You know, what I wanted to get at is the fact that this is a show about growth. This is a show about change. And I love that the Loki character that we saw way back in Thor. You know, like when we saw that character, it was almost cartoonish
[00:07:49] how much of a villain he was made out to be at that time. Like it got it was akin to those old comic books, like you said. You know, I will actually it's kind of interesting. I said that for the past 20 years, Loki's story has been
[00:08:01] kind of evolving in the comics. This kind of happened in conjunction with the movies. Sometimes they do this on purpose, sometimes like the X-Men in the movies had leather suits and a bunch of children at the mansion. A couple years later, they did that in the comics.
[00:08:17] Blade was a day walking half vampire in the movies. And then they evolved him in the comics to more match that, you know, Spider-Man had organic webbing in the movies. So they added organic webbing to the comics. Loki is more of a convergent evolution
[00:08:32] because around the same time that they were developing the first Thor movie and they were showing Loki as a conflicted, multi-layered villain, which I cannot stress was was why I would put the first Thor movie so high up on my list.
[00:08:47] I've been thinking recently about ranking and I voiced I don't want to do it, but I'm like, well, it may need to Kevin. Many, I know, right? But at the same time they're doing that in the movies in the comics.
[00:08:58] We had this story about kid Loki, where Loki was killed and all the Avengers, all the Avengers, all the Asgardians were killed. And when he got reincarnated, he was reincarnated as a child. And initially everybody, you know, believed it was a prank
[00:09:15] and that Loki was going to be evil again. He's always mustached, twirling the evil. But eventually they realized he really was a good kid. And then later on, the rug finally got pulled out. We saw what Loki had planned and it involved murdering his innocent self,
[00:09:30] which was nuts. But that started the earnest evolution of Loki feeling guilt over that act and then becoming a good person to the point that Loki is now seen among the heroes of Asgard in the comics.
[00:09:45] It took a long time to get there, but it was a really great evolution to read. And that's why I love the show because even though it didn't have the growth that Loki had post Avengers in the other movies,
[00:09:57] we got to see a new parallel evolution of Loki's personality in this show. I love that because there's there's layers there, even me just watching it. I was more infatuated with the because I love time travel. I love time travel. I love the idea.
[00:10:12] I'm a huge fan of it. My kid and me that I love. I love time travel when there are rules and they stick to it. Yes, because it's always it always irks me at the end when something just shows up
[00:10:24] and fixes everything like not necessarily to this extent. We learned here is a different meaning to it. But what I'm getting at is it's not just a cop out, you know, like they just push a button and reset it. You know, it doesn't really impact me.
[00:10:38] There's nothing there that's going to show me. Wow, time travel had an impact for a reason. Something happened. We lost something. We gained something. Everything from I mean, back to the future is kind of like
[00:10:48] one of my favorite films, but even that thing has plot holes and that thing falls short in certain points. Right. But yeah. Well, I mean, I'm not going to get into it all, but in game. Oh, yeah.
[00:10:59] Says that, you know, when you go back in time, you create alternate realities. And then at the end of the movie, they say, but we're going to put everything back again. But yeah, they be putting them back into a different, different reality
[00:11:12] unless they've learned to actually control which reality they go to. I know I know I'm nitpicking. But like if you're going to stay out loud, these are our rules. Then stick to it. Otherwise, just don't say them out loud and have fun.
[00:11:25] So I was looking at this show initially. OK, how are they going to? What's their version of time travel? What's their their version of fixing and unwinding and what have you? But what I ended up enjoying more was the humanity within these characters,
[00:11:40] like the gods that they are or he is that they that even Sylvie in a way, you know, like seeing the layers between these characters and everything from Moby is in all of the hunters. Like you start getting more invested.
[00:11:53] And I never thought I'd get invested in characters that I've only known for three or four episodes as opposed to the MCU beforehand, you know, where we have years and years of weight behind it and a connection to them.
[00:12:06] But I felt there was such a humanity in Loki himself. Stop Hiddleston's performance has been amazing throughout the whole thing. Oh, yeah. And this season alone really nailed it for me. Like he was amazing and he had a connection. Man, he hit me. It's not just Hiddleston, though.
[00:12:23] The whole cast really, you know, you say you get to feel the connection to people instantly and it was the cast really selling it. Oh, I was trying to look up the cast names and I typed in selling. But like. But like, you know, we have.
[00:12:42] You already mentioned Moby is Owen Wilson. You know, he famously often plays Owen Wilson, but he was doing it in a way that really evolved. Keiho Ikwan, you know, was or a boros. And obviously people fell in love with him the past couple of years.
[00:12:56] But like, yeah, totally sold every aspect of his character. And even people who had, you know, a little bit less to do. When me, Mosaku, who played a B-15, you know, she wasn't on
[00:13:08] there nearly as much as I wish she was, especially once they kind of, you know, give a little Easter egg of who her character was supposed to be. No, just that even the guy, the guy, he plays Casey.
[00:13:20] Yeah. Oh my God, I'm so glad they expanded his role in the second season. Eugene Cordero. Yeah, dude, loved him. Really did. Almost all of the effect. I'm not almost all of the characters here have parallels in the comics. I really love you.
[00:13:38] We haven't got to the timeline of the episodes, I guess, but I really love that they gave Casey's background as being part of the famous mysterious escape from Alcatraz, just as Loki was mysteriously the the the robber on the plane. Yeah, D.B. Cooper Cooper.
[00:13:54] But but I kind of wish it done something different with Casey, because his character in the comics is an alien, a green-skinned, bug-eyed alien who joins the TVA because he's obsessed with 20th century American technology and very specifically trains.
[00:14:14] He thinks American or not American, but the earthling trains of the 20th century are the coolest things that ever got invented. And I was really hoping Casey would say something about trains. I know it's silly, but like it's pretty silly. I mean, don't get me wrong.
[00:14:26] I mean, I guess if you have a niche thing and you can expand on it, why not? But he only ever had one appearance in the comics, but still. No, I think it's cool. They tied into real life events like D.B.
[00:14:39] Cooper, we talked about Loki and Casey with those like with that. And, you know, everybody growing from the beginning of the season one to the end of season two, which is huge. But the one thing that we are, at least I don't know about you.
[00:14:53] And I want to start going to the episodes here. We'll do a quick run through of the episodes is the fact that we Loki evolves in a sense that he realizes that his obsession with the throne, the obsession with being the god of overall, like mimicking Odin.
[00:15:14] Right? Even like taking his role in a sense, right? Always thinking he had to be like that or that's the path for him. And the fact that we see that so quickly, just to kind of rush through it here after seeing how the infinity stones are paperwits
[00:15:29] and how the real power here is handled and that there's something much grander than he is, it really made it broke him down to where he built himself back up to something amazing. Right. And then, yeah, yeah, he he Loki does that. He Loki does.
[00:15:48] Loki on that note. Let's run through the episodes here. We're not going to we're not going to go step by step, but I still want to touch on them and kind of I know you're going to be my I would say my guide,
[00:16:01] since you know you're the handbook expert. Handbook. See, it doesn't work. I have no I have no. Yeah, not as a beauty. You're my handbook. You're my handbook guide, my guide. I don't know. We'll figure it out. We'll workshop it. We got a lot of time.
[00:16:16] Anyways, so we run through the episodes here. Episode one is called Ouroboros. So we get to meet Ouroboros, right? That's the big thing here. And we we are do we meet Ouroboros at the big is the basement? What would you call his workshop?
[00:16:29] Really, we don't really have a sense of place for things. But his his area just feels like a basement. You know, yeah, like they do have that the elevator where you go up and down and all kind of stuff.
[00:16:40] But they also find extra buttons on top of buttons. So it doesn't really mean anything. But at the same time, it's like, yeah, he's he's very deep in the bowels of the TVA. Yeah. So he's there. But also they're seeking out assistance
[00:16:52] because low low key is time slipping, right? He's basically getting sucked to different points in time, be it future past what have you where he's already. Well, as I say, before we get into Loki, I want to add other characters that were added this season to that episode.
[00:17:09] We also got General Docs and Gamble. I don't remember what her title is. It's not it's not Professor because it was it was Judge Gamble. Judge Gamble, General Docs and the in a couple more of the the Minutemen agents. And the idea is that we only got glimpses
[00:17:29] of the TVA leadership before. And now we got to see more of it in this season. And while they weren't there a lot, I appreciate that they were there as a minor little aside, Orboros and Docs are both variants of Mobius in the comics.
[00:17:43] Really? So that's that's kind of neat. They're all him. And Gamble is is literally a parody of Doctor Who. Gamble is just a time traveler who worked with a massive time travel agency takes on different faces at different times. We've not been shown that it's been said.
[00:18:04] Travels in a time travel machine that is moderately sized in the outside, but when you walk in, it's much larger and it automatically disguises itself wherever it goes. And Gamble's main enemy in the comics are these robotic tank like things called the incinerators. So yeah, it's
[00:18:22] Gamble is entirely Doctor Who. And I just really love that he was in here. All right, but then back to Loki. So Loki is time slipping, which is kind of a neat concept as it's it's neater to me like on the surface in my head.
[00:18:35] I'm a big sci fi geek and I'm like, oh, yeah, he's time traveling inside of a time travel agency. But then Orboros flat out says you can't do that here, but you are. So you can. And I just everything about that statement is beautiful.
[00:18:51] It's like I love it because it's like you look at it and you're like, you're not supposed to, but you can. So I guess you will. It's like what? Like the doublespeak is nuts, but logically it makes sense. And the funny part is it's not even intentional doublespeak.
[00:19:06] He's not doing it to try to trick you. He's doing it to say, no, this isn't true, but it is. So it's true now. And I'm like, I love it. Also just real quick on the another I'm going to do Easter eggs throughout the whole season. Time slip.
[00:19:18] All right. So Loki is time slipping that Orboros calls it that flat out. Do you know what DC's Elseworlds are? No, please. So DC Comics in the maybe the 80s, but certainly early 90s started a line of comics called Elseworlds. These were mainly graphic novels, full trades.
[00:19:36] And each one was just like, what if, you know, but in a different place? So like Gotham by Gaslight is just Batman, but in Victorian London essentially, you know, there are a bunch of different things about. Well, they call those Elseworlds.
[00:19:48] Marvel already had what if, but in the late 90s, Marvel kind of rebranded its what if as time slip and it never really took off. I really enjoyed the title. I thought that name. The name did a good job of explaining what it needed to be,
[00:20:03] but it didn't really go anywhere. They just kind of had like literally one comic out of it and a few like one shots of just, you know, random images, which were cool, but like no actual story. And the idea that they would take this pretty obscure part
[00:20:17] of Marvel's comic book history and use it for the key function of Loki's ability to time travel in a series. I mean, it makes my little geek heart just grow three sizes. You so you and everybody else at the handbook committee have lost their minds. Certainly, I'm sure.
[00:20:37] So this episode we are the loom is overloading, right? Everything's freaking out. The world is ending and they're literally trying to figure out a way. OK, we need to stop Loki from time slipping so much so we can get a handle on that.
[00:20:51] You just figure out a way to save the loop, right? This is the episode. And in this episode, the goal is pretty much pick a time, pick a pick a place and have Mobius go out there in the. I don't know. What do you call that?
[00:21:06] The radiation filled time suit? I guess it's based on time. I love that. We'll find them. Everything about the TVA is beautifully and acronistic, like it's out of date and futuristic at the same time. And that's where we encapsulate that. It's like one of those old.
[00:21:24] One pretty much like. Yeah, exactly. It's like, no, 2001 was appropriately futuristic. This is more like, I don't know, Star Trek or Steampunk or something where it was a weird future. But it was like one of those like late 1800s
[00:21:39] diving helmets that he's wearing, but it's as a giant added suit is just it's beautiful. Yeah, he has to find him. He has to find Loki and I guess track his his time aura and then drag him to their current time so they can work out, right?
[00:21:58] Work out the loom issue. And as long as I'm on the Easter egg stuff, the only reference to a time loom that I could find in the comics was a variant of Kang was so obsessed with Renslayer
[00:22:13] that when he could not have her, he put part of her time aura into the into a temporal loom, causing her to split and become different people throughout all of history in space. So there are now at any given time, there could be a woman named
[00:22:28] Ravonna Renslayer born and she is he doesn't matter what her ethnic background or even species, it's still her. And that's disturbing and fascinating. But also again, the only reference I could find to a loom. So yeah. No, no, so they get Loki back.
[00:22:46] But there's also I love the foreshadowing on this, right? We get a dark panicked freaking out TVA, right? It's like people are trying to leave this. Oh, yeah, we're jumping forward and backward in time. I will say when I watched this first episode, my first thought was
[00:23:02] that the season might end with them founding the TVA. And it literally becomes an aura boros. And we get to that later. It didn't quite do that. But but yeah, I definitely was like, is he going to the future or the past?
[00:23:17] Or is he going further into the past where it looks like the future? Is a weird thing. That's what I thought that it was. We were so far back at the TVA. But then I noticed the hints they give us right when the skylight falls
[00:23:29] and it breaks on the ground and we get that jump in the future. Like, oh, that oh, wow moment, right? That you get with those those jumping back and forth. My wife hates this, by the way. She can't stand shows or movies that jump back and forth.
[00:23:41] She she hates it. I have friends like that. They're like, no, it's too confusing. No, give it to me. I eat it. And then Sylvie, we haven't seen Sylvie during this. Sylvie is probably the most rounded part of these early episodes
[00:23:54] where she was probably the most chaotic element of the first season. Throughout all this season, she's basically just, no, I've done my thing. I'm good now, which actually now that I think about it, kind of reminds me of Thanos in the comics after the initial Infinity Gauntlet
[00:24:09] for the next several years, he was just chill. He's like, yeah, I'm not really going to kill anybody unless they get in my way. I'm not really going to go conquer anything. I did my piece. I became God.
[00:24:19] I'm good with it. You know, and that's kind of Sylvie here. She's like, I have opened up the multiverse. I've killed the person who was controlling it. I'm good. I'm going to hang out in a place that I'm sure a lot of even
[00:24:32] more casual readers of the comics recognized as Brockston, Oklahoma, because that is where Thor and Loki and the Asgardians lived for several years while their otherworldly home was being repaired. They moved the entire city of Asgard from the world of Asgard to Oxford, Oklahoma, of all places.
[00:24:54] But yeah, just the idea of her just being at peace with something else. And then McDonald's, a lot of things. I was like, what? I got to have branding in there somewhere. I mean, I would have preferred if they called it a marble burger or something.
[00:25:07] But yeah, somebody had to advertise. I guess, man, it is what it is. But when she is there, she still has her something called that time pad, 10 pad. Yeah. Yeah, she's able to jump around from from he who remains.
[00:25:20] Yeah. Yeah. So she's able to still travel wherever she wants with this thing. Right. And spoilers for the ending. She cast that all the way through even past the end of the series. So presumably she's still bouncing around reality for the heck of it.
[00:25:35] Also also in this first episode and throughout the whole series, we get established a little time card that says main time or sacred timeline, branching timeline, which is interesting. They don't say which branch it is. They just say branched, you know, so it's kind of neat.
[00:25:48] It is cool. I like those little tidbits you're fed because in a show like this, you start to learn really quick that they're going to come back to this. There's a callback maybe not in your face, but in the background, what have you?
[00:25:59] And so we move forward to the next episode, which is a breaking Brad. So this is where go ahead. No, just the title alone. I really love what they did with the Brad Wolf character who's in the comics very minorly in the comics.
[00:26:15] Although interestingly enough, the one of the TVA's the TVA's first appearance is in a story involving Brad Wolf. But I do have one complaint about this series. The minor ones, one of the big complaints that we've heard through
[00:26:29] variety reports and stuff is that there's not been a lot of focus and planning behind the scenes at Marvel. So while most of the series was amazing, there are a few elements that were like, why was that included? And so in episode one, we see Brad's character X5
[00:26:48] seeming almost childlike and obsessed with being a cop. You see him holding his vest like the way a cop would hold their bulletproof vest. And you see him kind of hugging and kind of like leaning in
[00:26:59] to a general doc as if she was like a mother figure to him. And that literally never comes up again because from episode two on he might as well have been a rebel because episode two on, he's like, no, I want to be the famous actor Brad Wolf.
[00:27:16] I don't want to be X5. And I'm like, then why include that scene in episode one where he's hugging her in this weird maternalistic way? Like, I don't understand what's happening. It was because I say that because as I was watching it
[00:27:32] and my friends and I looked at that something big is going to come from these two and it did, but it had nothing to do with that. You know, all right, so I feel like the character.
[00:27:41] No, no, I mean, to talk a touch on that, it bothered me why he was so crucial to like, oh, this is the guy we got to get. Like it was like this guy is going to break something up on intended.
[00:27:55] But like there is a reason why we are hunting him down. Not the implication was that he was the second in command of docs. So if he's the second in command, then he would know where to find her. That I understand.
[00:28:06] But that still doesn't explain the personality shift, you know? Because he became a total like, whatever. I don't know. There's Mobius like even throws it at Mobius face, which is again foreshadowing like, wouldn't you want to see where you came from? You know, like what about you?
[00:28:19] Like and that, you know, Mobius has always been that like, no, don't need it. Why would I care? I'm always been here. You know, he doesn't know any better and he's oblivious to it on purpose, I would say purposefully. Like, what is it? The.
[00:28:33] I'm blanking on the phrasing, but if I don't know about it, I shouldn't worry about it in so many words. Yeah, Ignorance Bliss. That's the one. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. And of course, Brad's character is from the comics, like I said a minute ago.
[00:28:46] Brad Wolf is a method actor who's playing a slasher villain in a movie called the Zaniak and because it's comic books, there's an explosion involving radiation and then his method acting goes so far that for the rest of his
[00:29:00] brief life he fully believes that he is the Zaniak and he believes it so much that he's able to create energy knives out of thin air, which is apparently a thing you can do if you believe enough and you have radiation poisoning.
[00:29:16] Yeah, it's later retroactively explained that he had the spirit of Jack the Ripper in him, which makes so much more sense, I guess. Comics people. But yeah, that's what brings in the TVA the first time because they are,
[00:29:30] they're like this guy is not supposed to exist because if he does, he's going to ruin several futures. So they go back to stop him and so that's kind of it's a whole thing, but that's the TVA's first appearance because of the Zaniak.
[00:29:44] So at this point, if I remember right, they go and find Sylvie Waloki does, right? He's slipping around doing jumping around still dealing with he's better now, but they got him back. But he knows where to find her and she refuses to leave.
[00:30:00] She's like working at McDonald's now and loving it. I mean, yeah, I saw it as I was saying it. Hashtag not sponsored. Not sponsored, but she's loving it right? So she's not moving. It is what it is.
[00:30:15] And then we get a hint as soon as Loki leaves that something's not right. Her food disappears, right? You notice that? Well, that's I think, isn't that a little bit later? I'm pretty sure that's a couple of steps. I think it's there. Am I wrong?
[00:30:31] No, that's not the wrong. Yeah, the food thing disappears a little bit later. But in this episode, we do get other hints of the other antagonists of the season, I guess, Miss Minutes and Revona, Renslayer.
[00:30:46] I, you know, Miss Minutes is not in the comics, but I was like, I thought I was going to ask you. No, she's not. But Renslayer is definitely in the comics. She's a big part of Kang's story in the comics.
[00:30:57] And I was like, you know, where would they go with this? And I had my partner even said it would be funny if she would want to date Kang or something. And I'm like, that's not going to happen. She's a little, you know, she's a little cartoon clock.
[00:31:09] Boy, that one's so more interesting. That one's very fast too. It's like what? Okay. Well, well, you know, let's just step ahead with that. Let's go to episode three. Let's do it. So 1893, why is this important? Funnily enough, it's not. Well, no, it is for real world history.
[00:31:29] It is for real world history for the reasons they get into in the episode. In the comics, Victor Timely appears in Wisconsin in 1901. Like he's there at the very beginning of the 20th century. And his inventions spark off basically all of Marvel's super tech.
[00:31:47] You know, there's actually a little scene that shows that like all of the Androids came from his technology. All of the cybernetics came from his technology. Even Reed's computers would not be possible if Victor Timely wasn't there in 1901,
[00:31:59] which is played off as Kang planning so that he can put his secret code into robotics so that later on he can control robots. But in reality, he also created all the superheroes because like there wouldn't
[00:32:11] have been a gamma bomb, you know, there wouldn't have been a cosmic rays. There probably wouldn't have been a science experiment where the spider got near. All of that stuff happened because of Victor Timely. And that was 1901.
[00:32:25] But in the real world, in 1893, there was a world's fair and I am, Yeah. Aside from being a comic book geek and aside from being obsessed with anthology, I am a nut for the world's fairs. And those are like, like, for example, the first escalator, I believe,
[00:32:42] was at that fair. There were a lot of like, like things at these world's fairs that were just really cool. The first Ferris wheel was there, you know, you know, you actually built it named after himself. Yeah. It was there.
[00:32:54] And so it was exciting to me that while they didn't use the date from the comics, which honestly, not that important, they use a really cool real world event. And I love it. It would be cool to be the guy named,
[00:33:06] admitted to Ferris wheel is walking around like, see that? Called the Ferris wheel. He's literally got my name on it. Hey, John Ferris. Nice to meet you. Yep. Are you Ferris guy? Yeah. I am the Ferris guy. The Ferris guy. See around. You know what's funny?
[00:33:25] They do have another comic book reference in the world's fair scene where you have the different pavilions for the different countries. And when they scan the media, they see the North statues. Well, when Loki makes a comment about Balder,
[00:33:39] Balder has never appeared in the TV shows or movies or anything. But the statue is based on the Walt Simonson art of Balder's helmet and everything. And the Loki comments about how no one cares about Balder. Balder is also a brother of Loki and Thor.
[00:33:58] Loki and Thor, yeah. Doesn't get mentioned very often, you know? In the comics, he was briefly in charge of Asgard for a while when Odin was gone. But he's just basically what if Thor and Loki, but zero problems. That's who Balder is.
[00:34:12] So there's a reason we don't see him very often. He's just too perfect, you know? But at that point, you're hinting at the mythology and the lore that ends up at the end of everything. But entirely.
[00:34:25] Like that kind of fits into the multi-stories, multi, you know, like the branches of everything and Balder being the story that we in passing may know, or if you're really a fan of Norse mythology know very well. But it really touches on those things.
[00:34:43] So it gives you those little Easter eggs but also feeding you like, hey, there's there's different paths here. There's a lot more to it than what we're saying. So I really enjoyed it. And there's also, you talk about tying everything together.
[00:34:56] This sees this episode shows Renslayer and Myth Minutes going back in time to give a young Victor Timely, a TVA book jumpstarted his science career. We don't know and are never told whether this is the actual real origin of
[00:35:12] Kang in the MCU or rather Victor was placed there by some variant of Kang or what. In the comics, of course he's born in the 30th century. 34th century. But we're the 30th century in a reality in which there never was a dark ages. It's a weird thing.
[00:35:32] But his ancestor was the very least Reed Richards dad, although he also believes that do maybe his ancestor in some way as well. And this one is not that this guy is actually named Victor Timely. You know, and I actually like that.
[00:35:46] I think this is a better name than the Daniel Richards because the Andrew Richards is a confusing name. I think that this character in my thoughts when I first saw this it was like, well, it's a plant. I don't think this was the start of the TVA.
[00:35:59] I think that this was a plant for a different branch that ended up being the sacred timeline. That's how I interpreted it. You know, that's how Kang said, you know what? This is going to be the main timeline because the theory behind
[00:36:13] it at least at that point before not before knowing more at the end before we knew what the loom was, right? It was more so on the lines of well, let's protect the sacred timeline. Does it mean that the sacred timeline can't change to a
[00:36:26] different timeline if need be? That's how I interpreted it. Why don't you see it as he who remains, media contingency that he wanted to make sure that he is still the version or at least a version that he approves of is still he who remains.
[00:36:40] Yeah, that's how I took it. Let me plant this seed here just in case, you know, so by the way, that's something Kang does in the comics. Kang has a very definitive origin, right? But they have there's been more than one story of Kang or
[00:36:57] a variant of Kang going back in time and nudging his younger self to become something more famously iron lad is a teen 18 to 20 year old hero in the present. But it's because Kang messed with his own timeline to create a time travel version of himself 10 years earlier, right?
[00:37:19] And and there's been more than one iron lad and there's been even, you know that Immortus is basically he who remains version in the comics. There's even a character called kid Immortus who's only had a couple appearances and we don't know much about him.
[00:37:32] But apparently he's somewhere between iron lad and Kang as well. So I mean there's a bunch of times where Kang has gone through and done exactly what he who remains does in this series. So at this point we have a scene where we have Mobius and Loki.
[00:37:48] They're looking for him at the World's Fair and we have the same audience and it's and Renslayer looking for him, right? They're trying to basically I mean just draft them for their team. They need them on their side.
[00:38:00] We need him because apparently we need his aura to be able to go fix the temporal loom. That's what the Oris Boros told us. When we talk about that chase there's something I want to say about this episode and the previous one that was missing
[00:38:13] from all of the first season. Because Loki of the movies is basically a god of sorcery, you know, like he learned it from his mom but he's good at this, right? And in the first season he was hampered. They put control collars on him.
[00:38:29] He couldn't use magic in the offices. All kinds of stuff. But when he goes after Brad Wolf literally I thought to myself man he has magic. Oh he's doing it. He's doing it right now. I don't know if it was this episode or the one coming
[00:38:42] up where he says we can use magic now. That's a little bit later. But in the world's fair scene he just poofs a guy into a pig cage, you know what I mean? And there's a lot of magic being used here. And I really...
[00:38:57] At the times where Loki can unfurl his godliness it's pretty cool. Yeah but I feel like they couldn't do that because they want you to have a Keystone cops episode. You know like... I'm fine with that. Even if he's a powerful god he's still kind of a goofball.
[00:39:14] Yeah it's still... He has charm there. That's impatico. You kind of go like alright let's see what he's going to figure out because this Loki that we've followed from episode one to now we love this Loki. He's smart. He has heart. He's made connection with these characters.
[00:39:32] So we want to see what he can do. We're team Loki. Pretty obvious. And there's not a real defining line to where we can go hey maybe Renslayer's right. Maybe Loki's right. We're all gunning for Loki to be successful. And so we have...
[00:39:48] The one character in this episode that we can be sure isn't right is Miss Minutes who is just all kinds of messed up. Yeah man. Talk about AI and then AI getting out of control. Miss Minutes lets loose man. I was like... She goes all out.
[00:40:04] I saw somebody on I think Twitter or whatever it's called nowadays saying something like what is it called that you have an attraction to a cartoon clock. It's like I'm sure she'd be proud. Definitely. Definitely. So yeah she's in love with Higo remains.
[00:40:21] You know like she was infatuated with him and we learn... I mean is this what we learn about Renslayer and how Kang, him had a relationship? That's where they split up. That's where Sylvie is about to kill Victor Timely
[00:40:37] and allows them to go back to the heart of the TVA which brings us to episode four. And in episode four you know that's where Miss Minutes talks to Renslayer and she doesn't give her the really messed up origin I talked about earlier with
[00:40:54] the whole bloom and multiple versions of her just because Kang was obsessed with their deal which that's pretty messed up but instead she says hey... Without your permission he wiped out all of your friends and that's intense. I mean at the same time I fully believe Higo remains
[00:41:12] had a reason for it and the reason was if anybody remembers the other versions of him that allows them to develop in some reality but as long as no one knows about him then he can maintain that relative piece of the sacred timeline.
[00:41:33] I feel like this is referenced in the very last episode where they say there's a he who remains variant who doesn't know about us yet. And I'm like that right there is kind of the same deal whereas he wanted to make sure the TVA didn't
[00:41:44] know about him by the end of the series the TVA doesn't want him to know about them and I think that makes a lot of sense. I think the fact that we have a Kang, at least this version of him so worried or so scared how
[00:42:01] everyone would look at it about the other Kangs that he would prevent the thought of them being out there just to prevent the idea of someone being a variant or the Kang somehow some way the universe creates it you know what I mean?
[00:42:17] That's how afraid maybe as the watcher this is supposed to make you feel that those Kangs are bad news and that he who remains being all powerful as he is in the show here is so afraid of those variants that even the idea of them
[00:42:31] speaking them out there in the world is should be stopped. On that note there's a character we've only touched on a little bit who is key in stopping all of that and that's Orboros you know because as you said earlier everybody fell in love with him he's just
[00:42:51] amazing I love the idea that he'll be like yeah he calls me Obi and then suddenly we get him inventing the name Obi although that's another thing where they don't quite explain it where he says Mobius did this but we don't need to explain that one I guess.
[00:43:05] And then we get another part of that that Orboros that even says that the snake eating its own tail when he meets Victor Timely and learns that he learned from Victor Timely and Victor Timely learned from him and he doesn't question it
[00:43:17] in the least he's immediately like oh that's what happened alright and he's fine with it and I love that he's just such a great character when if Marvel finally gets to the Secret Wars movie if we have any TVA cameo I'd be fine with it
[00:43:33] just being Orboros explaining crap to them which would be so great. It's so good so his delivery is awesome and how like it's almost like a matter of fact you know but it's also and we talk about in the next episode because well I don't
[00:43:46] want to jump ahead too too much but the way he delivers the information and the way that things work out it's almost like hey believe it because we're doing it even though it seems unbelievable believe it because we're doing it you know so
[00:43:59] I love that delivery in the way that things are around Orboros. Exactly and then speaking of Orboros I believe this is the episode where Loki prunes himself in the very first episode we saw Loki go to an elevator while he's time slipping
[00:44:17] and then suddenly you know he was pruned at the right time and then here I think we see Loki doing the pruning and it was always clear that it was going to be Loki I don't think I mean I imagine most people watching
[00:44:29] were like okay obviously that's going to be Loki when he time slips another time but that could easily have been the last episode and I'm really glad they didn't do it in the last episode so they said look we left this hanging
[00:44:41] but we're done with it now let's move forward and I love that and the one thing that we are left with hanging is Victor Timely seemingly a genuinely good person turning into spaghetti. Spaghetti fives that whole thing was a trip I thought
[00:45:01] I did not see that coming at all like they literally said hey I got to do it I'm the one that can do it I can build this I have the edg- I built the machine I have this regulator it's going to make the loom expand
[00:45:12] it's going to do all this it's okay cool here's the fix literally walks outside and you know what I thought was going to happen literally I was texting somebody while I was watching it and I'm like oh man it's
[00:45:22] oh it's not what I thought it was going to do what I thought was going to happen is I thought there was going to be like cracks in his mask and we'd see two burn marks go across his face and he would literally become Kang
[00:45:33] because he remains doesn't have those burn marks but Kang does and I thought it was going to be that and it said nope he became spaghetti I'm not going to do anything anymore and I love that it trumped you it was perfect yeah that's what it is
[00:45:52] that's fun when you can't guess what's going to happen next and it keeps you on your toes it's what makes for great science fiction and that leads into the next episode which is named science fiction science fiction not science hyphen fiction science fiction science slash fiction so
[00:46:10] science slash important Kevin well because sci-fi as a genre is defined as fiction which is overwhelmingly guided by science so like a lot of people consider frankincine to be the first science fiction novel although yes everybody wants to argue it I'm fine with that
[00:46:26] but the reason it's called that is because science just isn't just in the background it is what pushes the entire story forward is it real science? No but it's inspired by real science it's the story forward and in this episode it's not about science fiction
[00:46:42] it's about do you focus on science such as here are the rules of time travel here's where it works and here's where it doesn't work or do you focus on fiction which is here are the rules of time travel but if the story needs it to
[00:46:56] different things will happen and I think that's what's really important also we get this is where we get that hint that Kasey is a real world person that escaped from the world we only get a hint of it in the show
[00:47:10] but in the credits blinker you'll miss it they confirm that B-15 is the character of Verity Willis who is a a major character in Loki's life in the comics even if she's only been in a few comics Verity in the comics is a ostensibly normal human whose parents
[00:47:30] through a series of shenanigans got in control of a Asgardian ring of magic and the truth of all things and as a baby she swallowed it so inside her belly she has a magical ring that allows her to see through all lies as a result
[00:47:46] she's bored at every single movie because she has never had a suspension of disbelief she's never had anybody cheat on her because the second they're about to she knows they're lying you know so like her life has just been very frustrating and then she makes Loki
[00:48:02] who at the time she meets Loki is still considered the god of lies and Loki is in the the arc, the highest part of this arc where they're trying to figure out how can I not be evil but still be me and by becoming
[00:48:18] friends with Verity someone who literally they cannot lie to it helped Loki become the god of stories that they became and Verity is so important in Loki's life that at the end of the storyline involving her she's apparently dead but then the universe gets
[00:48:38] reset and the very first thing Loki does upon getting back to the universe is tell me Verity's okay okay, Verity's okay? Alive? Good, fine and then takes off and I'm like that's how important so the idea that this would be 15 was is on the one hand beautiful
[00:48:54] but on the other hand I wish they developed it because that character is so important to Loki's evolution into being a hero that honestly she got the I think the smallest amount of screen time Casey who was barely in the first season
[00:49:08] had way more to do than her like Casey was in all of the scenes in the temporal loom room he was there 15 was usually I don't know elsewhere in that scene she was the only part of the main cast that wasn't in that room most of the time
[00:49:22] and it's like I really wish they did more with her it would have been a lot of fun but with you no, no I think that the fact that they kind of hinted at it was because it was important and maybe that's their tie in to how
[00:49:38] Loki would eventually become the god of stories like you mentioned how they would become without expanding the story which thinks but it's like hey here's a tip to the hat to those that know you know so I figured
[00:49:52] that's a gift for you all you know that knew that I'll take that you also as a gift for fans of the show get to finally see Mobius with jet skis Mobius so let's talk about this everyone gets shot back into a their own timeline or a timeline
[00:50:10] the implication for me is this is who they all were in the sacred timeline before they were removed and we don't know how they're removed I mean my head canon Kang's done this in the comics as well where he has like his minions here
[00:50:24] who believe they're always supposed to be with him but he actually took them from various timelines my head canon is they were going to die of whatever reason in that timeline and he just pulled them out a microsecond before they died and have them as a variant
[00:50:36] to work for him so I would say that all of these characters probably do not exist in the sacred timeline anymore they're probably dead at some point or something but that these are variants where they get to continue being who they were before that ended
[00:50:50] that's my head canon you get Mobius selling sports equipment jet skis I do have one minor quibble with him selling the jet skis and it's a dumb one what is it? Mobius is based on a real world person he's based on Mark Grunwald
[00:51:08] we talked about the handbooks earlier Mark Grunwald is the Marvel editor who founded the official handbooks of the Marvel Universe he's the one who made sure the timeline made sense so much so that after the TVA was introduced in the comics
[00:51:24] they wanted to show who it was that was keeping track of time and they introduced this guy named Mobius who was literally drawn to look like Mark Grunwald he was Mark Grunwald he even knew this he wrote another one of Mobius's stories rather
[00:51:40] fully knowing that this is based on him before he died of cancer shortly after that I really wanted at the bare minimum for them to say that Mobius' real name was Mark I would have been so happy if they said that instead he was Don
[00:51:58] Don is fine, Don is an okay name but I really wanted it to be Mark that would have put it over the top for you oh man I would have cried if they called him Mark there would have been tears in the room that's awesome
[00:52:10] not really sweet like yeah wow Marvel is still cool that he's immortalized you can't even see Garcia on the payroll again get him on the payroll it's cool that he's immortalized in the show but it would have been really nice if they called him Mark
[00:52:25] we got to see his life his children, what he's dealing with a dad trying to keep it together single dad trying to keep it together we see Oro Boros as a professor well he's a physics I don't know if he's a professor
[00:52:41] and then he gives it up so he can be a sci-fi writer which is fun and then we have a I think a B-15 she's a doctor right I didn't catch this when I first watched it somebody else pointed out to me
[00:52:55] that the time and location she's at she's in New York the same year that Loki invades with the aliens with the Chitauri that would mean that go to my headcanon theory that they got pulled out at various points and that's where you know that's why they're with them
[00:53:11] she was in the city when Loki invaded so it would be interesting if more again this is where her being Varity would have been so interesting she was there ground zero for Loki's big plan and we don't hear anything about that so it was interesting yeah, missed opportunity
[00:53:33] very missed opportunity and of course we have the contrast and then we have Loki alone bouncing in between all these realities and then he's told I mean, it's him and Ouroboros kind of decide you know what? you have to learn how to control your jumping
[00:53:51] and then get everybody together I love the attempted montage that doesn't work it's the usual montage of like training you but it didn't happen but there's something here that gets me as I was watching it I knew it was going to be Loki having to pull everybody together
[00:54:07] but we see them in their lives and there's no reason for them to leave those lives yes, I'm sure they had fulfilling personalities as TVA agents but that doesn't excuse removing them from their existing lives especially when you see Don's kids and as I was thinking
[00:54:23] that Loki goes to Sylvie and she immediately says why who are you to decide this for them and I'm like damn, there's no winning here like there's no no matter what the emergency is to pull them out of this you really can't because she's right and Loki's right
[00:54:47] they're both right but he's right for selfish reasons and so is she she selfishly wants to have her peaceful life but at the same time she's like why can't they you know and I really love that they didn't just put a little
[00:55:03] hat on it you know they didn't lampshade it they literally hardcore addressed it to the point that he flat out says I want my friends which again ties to Loki of the comics in the evolution of them and by the way
[00:55:17] Loki in the comics is they them now Loki definitively is both Odin and Thor say they them as well this ties to Loki in the comics where they want nothing more than to be loved and have felt that this is something that has been
[00:55:31] denied them through their own actions for so long that they're trying really hard to change and I really appreciate that but I also appreciate that the ultimate reason that everything is brought together is not that Loki decides his needs are more than anybody else and not that
[00:55:53] you know she commits she gets her mind changed but that literally this is where that disappearing food comes in reality is unwinding this is not explained but he who remains says that the second I'm dead variance of me will pop up and so in theory somewhere
[00:56:13] in each of these realities a kang is blowing crap up and that could be what's causing it to unravel it could be that time itself is interfering with that loom that's cracking apart although no way the loom is destroyed right so looms destroyed so it's not that
[00:56:29] so it has to be then kang probably destroying all of time not purposefully but through this war that we're not seeing whatever it is you can't just sit here peacefully forever because eventually it's going to come to you that's why he remains said I was able
[00:56:45] to save one timeline and by maintaining that one timeline I could make sure that it didn't happen again and so this is basically exactly in my view anyway it's not again it's not stated outright but in my view this is exactly what he said was going to happen
[00:56:59] which is the multiversal war destroying all of time yeah I think that then at that point when he recognizes that something has to happen he basically giving it up right then in there he time slips back to the explosion and that leads
[00:57:19] I was so weirded out by that I was like okay he controlled it why did he go to that point like what are you going to do with two seconds and oh my god the glorious purpose that he uncovered in the last episode so good so good
[00:57:35] I just get right to it I mean I love as this show unpacked step by step when he's literally sitting there with everybody before it blows up it starts going alright so what do I need what could we have done differently oh we just need more time okay
[00:57:51] the second thing that I was like oh I get it now I get it now yeah like what do we need well you need to know this how long would it take me and remember I'm a god and I started laughing like yes remember I'm a god
[00:58:05] how long would it take thousand centuries you know it's like oh no and then you they did it so well and it was that montage right it was a montage of him jumping back every single time trying every outcome so you could also as a fan
[00:58:21] you could probably say like weren't you just doing blank but it doesn't matter it's fun although I will say there was one part of that montage that annoyed me there was one scene where he goes to miss minutes right as they're planning their big
[00:58:31] coup and says I know you're both angry but we can use your help and then it cuts away I want to know what happened in that reality like did they actually help did they try to kill him and he's like screw this
[00:58:41] and time slip out like what happened next what happened in that real so we have we have time and time and time and time again and it fails it fails it keeps trying to fix this thing everything from running out there himself and not himself but running
[00:58:55] out there and telling timely what to do how quickly we need more time we waited too long so his whole mind has been what's the fastest we can get to the loom right and even as we go through everything the huge let down you're like what the fuck
[00:59:11] man like he did everything you can think of that made sense but then poof and then and then he goes back to talk to he who remains so let's about this right I want to before we dive really into it yeah go ahead when he goes back there
[00:59:31] I feel it's a panic moment oh definitely he's like okay I have nowhere else to go this is the last thing I can think of that impact this is where everything started you know no he's literally because he doesn't want to give up his friendship that's the thing
[00:59:47] he could probably go back and kill he who remains as a little candle maker before he becomes a scientist but no he wants those friends to exist and he who remains I do think he who remains flat out tells him you need to kill Sylvia at some point
[01:00:07] I know that the reason he went there is because part of him was saying he doesn't want to do it but otherwise why would you have gone to that specific moment because I'm thinking well if Sylvia doesn't stop maybe I can convince her to stop
[01:00:23] and he can't every single time it ends in his death no matter what he tries you know and as soon as he turns around and addresses him and goes why don't you stop in this and he reacts ooh I got chills I was like
[01:00:39] oh yeah that was beautiful up to that point because honestly here's the part I was wondering about I was like he remains as a script and it's presumed that's the main sacred timeline script or whatever so the second Loki interfered with that script
[01:00:55] because when he first time travels to that point it's after he already put the script away and said I don't know what happens next but when he goes to the elevator the script was still active and again this is something I didn't realize
[01:01:07] I probably else pointed this out in the original scene she goes to stab him and he just time travels behind her but in this version he just goes ooh because he already knows Loki's gonna stop her that means that this version of he who remains
[01:01:27] saw that in this reality time slipping Loki was gonna show up and that's intense and when Loki flips the tables on him and says do you think this is the first time we've had this conversation you can see in Kang's face oh I don't know this part
[01:01:47] and it's not the ooh ooh ooh I don't know this part of season finale of season 1 it is the oh this is not going the way I planned get kind of face it's in uh oh yes it is Loki really is so we get to the point where
[01:02:09] Loki realizes that he explains well he remains explains the loom is not made to it's a failsafe it's supposed to explode and destroy all the other branches and just protect the sacred timeline and so that's where we get the understanding of
[01:02:27] there is no fix as far as we see it because even me I'll admit until we literally got to almost the end of it and he says that this is what needs to happen that he wanted a throne
[01:02:39] remember he said what do you need you want this you're wanting this throne you want this throne when I started piecing it together and I say oh no and I I wanted it because I love how let me preface this most great works most great stories novellas
[01:02:55] what have you are elevated with a great death or sacrifice and some are ruined because somebody survives who lives through it completely agree and I was hesitant to do that like there were supposed to be for like a couple weird examples uh rambo
[01:03:15] uh rambo was supposed to die in the first movie uh they filmed it and everything but saloon wanted to live so they rewrote it for him um there is the uh the will smith movie um i am legend changed it just for him basically
[01:03:29] right i don't know if that was his idea or the producers but they did change it um and and so it does it it weakens some stories some movies I've seen that are like oh this wasn't been a great movie you can tell
[01:03:41] they just they changed it at the end little shop of horrors um uh there's there's uh there's so many other movies like that that are good but but in this case I said earlier that I thought when the when he walked out it was going
[01:03:59] to become king I said earlier that I thought uh you know this was going to happen or that was going to happen but there's something I said in I don't remember if the first episode or second of season one but whenever we're first introduced to the
[01:04:11] concept of the timekeepers which I think by the first episode um I said that this series needs to end one of two ways the way I wanted to end is that I want Mobius to be he who remains and that's
[01:04:25] before I knew it was going to be king uh because in the comics he who remains is never identified but he is somebody who cares for the timekeepers who are not robots but they're actual baby creatures that he who remains raised himself and it would make sense
[01:04:37] to me personally if that was Mobius right but the way it really should in narratively is that look he needs to become he who remains and and I said that the second the timekeepers were introduced was that that needs to happen but I didn't think
[01:04:51] that I would and my god the way it happened I I had chills through my whole body yeah when he flashes back from he who remains desk and we get back to the moment where the loom is exploding he looks at the looks at the
[01:05:13] his friends looks at everybody and just kind of knows nope it's going to be me and then he just knows what he has to do and remember I think you've probably seen it everywhere now that that that line that he says right with Odin they
[01:05:29] referenced it all over social media if you can look it up Kevin while I'm kind of setting a scene but he states the line that he's he told Odin in the first Thor movie you know and the way it's delivered has a whole different meaning now
[01:05:47] you know he's in I don't want to butcher the line but it's um I'm gonna look it up while I'm talking about it because I really do want to hmm say it right I never wanted to throw I only want to be your equal
[01:06:07] no I could have done it for you I could have done it for all of us that's not a line yeah he did it for everyone and had deeper deeper meaning what's crazy is when he said that that line and I was like oh shit and then
[01:06:26] he walks out there and remember you and David Bowles were talking a few episodes back remember about going to the desert in every every realm of the underworld how it strips away your skin strips away your clothes it strips away everything that's what came to mind as Loki
[01:06:40] was walking out there that everything was stripping away that was his old life his old feelings his old what he thought he was his old perceptions everything was being stripped away to become this this new God he says I know what kind of God I am
[01:06:54] I am going to be so in the in the comics the reason Loki becomes God of stories is because they had always been God of lies or evil or mischief or whatever and stories can be lies but they don't have to be and what has frustrated Loki is
[01:07:18] to quote a line from season one of this show Loki's always lose and it wasn't so much that Loki wanted to succeed in killing everybody or conquering or whatever it's just they were tired of being the one that fate said was supposed to lose it's just
[01:07:36] so Loki's journey over the past 20 years to become a better person in the comics has been largely to escape that cycle of fate to escape the idea that he is they are literally a story and after this episode came out
[01:07:56] I did a video on tiktok where I pointed out that there are two loki's that have definitely escaped that two variants well one and a half one Loki is called Avenger Prime and like this Loki but less tragically exists outside of time and space and monitors the multiverse
[01:08:14] and this Loki has decided to take it upon themselves to just call upon Avengers from the multiverse to solve problems but there's another Loki who just as they became God of stories saw that the universe was ending and being restarted stepped outside of time and said I just
[01:08:32] I don't want to do that anymore and I just find that idea fascinating because that's exactly what Loki did here every time you see Loki grab one of those timelines which the visual of that is insane and I love it but it's literally a physical
[01:08:48] timeline that he's already on to every time you see that little green bit of energy that's Loki giving people a chance to have free will are they going to defeat Kang in every timeline no but now there is a chance now there is an
[01:09:06] ability for people to stand up and decide for themselves their own fate and not have to worry about he who remains deciding it or not having to worry about fate saying here's what's going to happen to you but it's like that little bit of Loki energy
[01:09:22] going into each one of those things is just giving people that shot at free will it's beautiful man I mean him grabbing that and you're seeing the path being built before him and when you see that throne coming to existence and him like
[01:09:44] and then we get the image of the loom but then you turn the loom upside down and you get Yggdrasil oh my god that was in front of it the entire time and I never saw it coming oh my god and so
[01:09:56] once it started it went all green and I was like oh it's cool then it started tilt I was like oh my god it's the world tree like as soon as it started to tilt I did not see that it's the world tree in my white rectangular
[01:10:10] it's just one of those things that geeks instantly recognize and honestly it props to the special effects department because imagine you're an artist and you get that instruction okay first I want you to show all of time as a series of glowing rings alright I can do that
[01:10:30] okay now I want you to show time going through a specific device that weaves them together okay weird but I can do this alright now we're gonna explode that machine turn it sideways and I want them to still be timelines that branch off but still very
[01:10:46] clearly a tree with roots and branches sorry what they did that in a way that I think every person watching who'd ever heard of the world tree knew exactly what that was and it was still the timelines it's still like they go beyond
[01:11:02] the branches and beyond the roots but it's so clearly the world tree and that is mind boggling how the artists were able to do that I hope that whoever was the art director of that scene A gets an Emmy and B got paid a
[01:11:20] crapload along with all of their employees because honestly all the special effects of the season were top notch the visualization of that alone was just so insanely beautiful exactly it was awesome I mean I couldn't have asked for another and this is a thing like
[01:11:42] Tom Hiddleston's performance at that point his face is he emoted pain but happiness and content all at the same time he gave his friends he's not alone anymore but he is he gave Sylvie what she wanted but at the same time he was still making sure that
[01:12:08] things had a chance he was able to fulfill like you said these stories these wants these needs but is he really alone if he's feeding all these timelines I don't think he is I think he's watching but he's entirely alone and it's tragic it's tragic but it's also
[01:12:30] a very poetic that's called an ending for a god you think about Prometheus who gave mankind the ability to have fire and technology and then is eternally punished or I've heard somebody else actually you know what I was recently a guest on the Marvel Cinematic University podcast
[01:12:54] for their Patreon episode and when the MC University did a review of Loki's finale they compared it to Sisyphus of trying to do something that's not going to work for most of the episode and then Hercules and Atlas at the end and that's a very apt comparison
[01:13:12] in the story in Hercules' labors there's a Atlas is holding up the heavens and Hercules needs something so Atlas says I will help you but you have to hold it up for a minute for me and Hercules is like okay I will and Hercules holds up all
[01:13:26] of the universe and then Atlas is like boom I'm done I can leave now you're stuck by yourself and Hercules says well you got me I lost this one but could you do me a favor and just get me this one thing first
[01:13:40] and as soon as they do that Hercules is like oh you know I can't reach it could you just get this while I reach it Atlas goes no problem and he puts his hand up there and Hercules is gone and it's just the idea that there's a god
[01:13:52] who has to do that for all time it's obviously great and it's very fitting that in the comics Loki is always trying to escape Ragnarok and the cycle of Ragnarok and here Loki literally sees the destruction and recreation of the multiverse and
[01:14:14] while it is an ending for Loki an ending that was entirely his choice and there was no fate said you had to do it this way you know I love it it's tragic that he's there but one thing at the end that I really loved was we get
[01:14:32] it's just to kind of start winding down the show tonight but towards the end of that once the TVA is you know we could get glimpses of the TVA after yeah there's a key line there which a lot has been made of
[01:14:44] I made a lot of this line too on tiktok as well Mobius refers to Kang in Quantumania as a variant of he who remains that does not know about us that caused trouble in Earth 616 adjacent realm and I'm looking at right now the Wikipedia article
[01:15:02] and the Wikipedia article says Earth 616's apostrophe s adjacent realm but that's not what he says he says Earth 616 adjacent realm is a qualifier of Earth 616 and a big contention among the handbook type people not even if you didn't work for the handbooks
[01:15:22] but if you read them you know that the movie universe is Earth 1999-99 which is a mouthful and the comic book universe is Earth 616 which editorials repeatedly tried to squash but it keeps coming back because people love it right
[01:15:36] and the idea was how could they both be Earth 616 and I think a lot of people's take away is oh he's talking about the adjacent realm being the quantum realm but the quantum realm isn't adjacent to Earth 616 it's inside of it right adjacent to means
[01:15:52] aside of not within right and so this implies to me that while they call the MCU Earth 616 it is adjacent to the other Earth 616 and I'm okay with this you know what I mean I like the idea there's multiple multiverses
[01:16:16] just kind of budding up almost similar to each other but not quite overlapping and I like that it's all thanks to Loki looking at that way and we also get and I've seen some complaints about this online that Renslayer hasn't been seen in a bit
[01:16:34] when we last saw her she was pruned and that was it but in the MCU just like in the previous season when you're pruned you go to the end of time where Alioth, the giant smoke monster is there eating up time and I mean obviously in the comics
[01:16:50] Renslayer multiple versions of her fight Alioth but I mean I guess it's just setting her up for wherever she's going to be during Secret Wars which on the one hand I'm really glad to see that the 2015's character were further developed in this season you know
[01:17:10] some people also said what's up? no I was going to say is that I feel as though there's hope there for something else down the line like you said setting her up for more that's why but yeah it sucks when you can kind of poke holes
[01:17:26] not poke holes because it's not the right wording but when you can they should have it is what it is sadly but we just move forward you know on that note somebody else had said that they thought Sylvie's character wasn't ready to develop this season
[01:17:44] I just agree I think she was fairly developed just not as much as the first season because most of her story was told in the first season I just feel like Renslayer and B-15 were two characters whose story needed to be told Casey's was a welcome surprise
[01:18:00] I didn't expect to see more of Casey's story going back to stories being told we get like the closing scene right it's Mobius going to his timeline and why is it? well okay so he says right off the whole adjacent realm line he says
[01:18:20] I am gonna go back to see the life I would have had or something like that right and he goes there and remember he's from a branch or something here is in whatever this timeline is maybe the new they don't want to call it sacred anymore but the
[01:18:32] main timeline and he's still there alive with his kids and what's he gonna do now like cool I'm alive that's great okay walking off now wow well at least enough to interpret though that's why I was getting at and he's like what are you gonna do now
[01:18:54] and he even says like I'm just gonna let time go by Sylvie saying that makes sense Sylvie she's got two choices she got a little time to deal the bobber and she can also just just chill somewhere in the 80s but like
[01:19:08] neither of those options make sense for Mobius so like he's not just Dr. Who is gonna jump around time he's not somebody who's just gonna settle into a timeline when there's already him there unless he's gonna kill the other him and take over which went up
[01:19:24] but you know or pick up where Loki took him you know pick up where he left off I don't know I don't know my brain isn't there but I do like that he kind of now second guesses the original response that everybody asked him
[01:19:40] like why won't you go back he goes like why would I I'm happy here but now you never know what if he could what if he does so that's always the option that Sylvie wanted right everyone should have the choice so he has that now exactly and
[01:19:55] I'm okay with that it may be an open question on my mind but I'm okay with that well that ends the show and I mean not to go any further much much further but where do we go from here there's theories that you know we'll see Loki again
[01:20:15] that this is gonna come up down the line after a few MC films come out I mean no what do you would you what do you think this goes okay so I was a defender of the agents of shield show in which Colson was
[01:20:29] brought back to life first and then killed and then brought back as a robot it was weird but I really wanted to see Phil in Avengers in game I wanted to see a closing moment with him meeting the team that was put together to avenge him
[01:20:49] and reconnect and I feel like that would have been beautiful but I'm a it didn't happen right I don't really want that for Loki you know I don't really want need let me phrase that I don't really need a scene where Loki goes to meet Thor
[01:21:05] in secret wars and says by the way brother I'm a variant my brother in my reality doesn't exist anymore since he was blown up and also I know I'm dead in this reality but anyway I'm basically him so let's say hi but you know what I would
[01:21:17] like is if there's a moment in secret wars when they're doing whatever multiverse stuff they're doing and we just see like this shadow in the multiverse of just a giant green horned Ed I'd be happy with that you know what I mean just
[01:21:31] knowing that he's watching over them would be cool yeah I agree I think that it should end I don't need a Loki season 3 I don't need it this ended where I needed to end and I think it made you know sense to stop here and I love it
[01:21:49] and if you ah man if you you tell me like what's the I don't know Wanda vision was amazing I dug it but then Loki came out of nowhere and it just took it over for me right now Loki sits as an example of what I
[01:22:05] expect but obviously temporary expectations because you never know you know what the difference between Wanda vision of this is that 90% of Wanda vision was amazing and the last episode kind of dropped the ball it didn't do what the earlier episodes needed to do they there wasn't
[01:22:25] a resolution for exactly what Agatha's role in this was she just happened to be there I guess there wasn't a reason me phrase reason there was there was Wanda really did just go crazy and make everybody's lives horrible and there was no outside force making her
[01:22:41] do that and and Monica she goes in to save people's lives who don't need save because they have superpowers and then tells Wanda people don't know how much you suffer when she caused their suffering you know I remember visiting that to say Loki's finale was
[01:22:59] one of the most beautiful finales I've ever seen while I still have questions things that I wish they did differently I'm okay with this because it was just so good Amen agree man definitely Kevin we can talk more and more about this
[01:23:17] but of course we have other shows for that and just to get everybody's heads up we are winding down our season we are looking ahead at wrapping up here shortly we're looking maybe a couple episodes left during the season so of course just keep an ear
[01:23:29] and eye out for that on social media you can visit our website of course but I want to just thank Eddyn, Eddyn is leaving and going through other projects he's been our editor for the last couple seasons definitely want to thank him for everything
[01:23:41] he did for the show and just helping us get this project moving along he was our man in the chair to use the superhero lingo definitely a few times so definitely a big part of the team yeah he's been awesome and he's always welcome to come back
[01:23:57] and he knows that and I just wish him the best on his projects Kevin speaking of future projects what are you up to soon well coming up in the first weekend of December I will be in Houston for Indy Comic Con which is a comic Indy Con
[01:24:15] which is going to be a con there just literally as it says focusing on indie publishers self publishers I will be doing a panel with Ben Dunn who is one of the most venerated parts of indie comics in that he's been doing this
[01:24:33] since the 80s with Ninja High School and other stuff I've also got another panel with some friends of mine that I'm actually really excited about Roberto Rivera Padro who is this really beautifully untapped artist who does this amazing giant monster story
[01:24:53] he's got one called Carlos Kaijukular which is really good he and his brother are putting together a comic called Gold Dragon which is really good and then there's Leon's Hall the third who does 50-50 comics and he's got really great comics as well and I'm just
[01:25:11] I'm super hyped for this I really want to check it out it's in Houston Comic Indy Con December was it December 2nd? yes December 2nd so please come check it out buy from all the indie publishers
[01:25:27] it's going to be one of the few places you can buy my comic so there you go there you go Primoz www.mypdemos.com he's on TikTok Kevin how close are you to 10,000 we need you there I am almost at 8,000 right now Primoz get out there
[01:25:45] get the word out www.kevengarcia.com www.kevengarcia.com www.kevengarcia.com www.kevengarcia.com and Primoz you can find us at www.mypdemos.com www.mypdemos.com definitely definitely definitely appreciate everybody listening reaching out to us stay tuned and of course as always we done say adios
[01:26:11] bye