S8 EP3: Kat Fajardo

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[00:00:30] What part of the world we're from. Que ondas, Primos, Primas, and Primas? And welcome back to My Primos Podcast. My name is Primo Freddy. With your night is my primo and yours, Mr. Kevin Garcia.com. Say what's up, Kevin. What's up, Kevin? Mr. Kevin here again, man. See, you look forever.

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[00:01:28] What's up, Elia? Woo! Mustache and hands? Heck yeah. There we go. There we go. Fancy, fancy. And we have a special guest tonight. Finally able to get her on the show. It took us a while. I had to go find her and hunt her down at Mix American. And Elia almost like shake her like, woo! He's coming on the show. We have a sad Mahardo. Say what's up, Kat? What's up, Kat? Woo! There she goes. Well, guys, we want to welcome everybody back to the new season.

[00:01:58] Season eight in Ocho. We got to love that Ocho. And I want to just thank everybody, of course, for following along with us for all these seasons. I'm excited for this year. We have new staffing. I mean, John was on the show last time. I wasn't here to do that. I don't know if Kevin mentioned it because I haven't seen the editing yet. So John Navina has officially joined the Primos. He is going to be one of our co-hosts, collaborators. We have a lot of stuff planned for you guys. Stay tuned. Of course, check out myprimospodcast.com for all that and all the socials.

[00:02:27] We have a lot going on. I am excited. I tell you, Primos, that this is a year where we're just going to surprise you. We're going to get you all involved. That surprise us. Yeah, exactly. We need to surprise everybody. I often don't know what I'm doing. We need to fill that hole like Kevin Garcia. You know what I mean? We need to fill that hole. Somebody has to do it. You know what? Primos are the best for that, right? Remember, you can follow us at myprimospodcast on all social media. Of course, follow Mr. Kevin Garcia underscore com at Spice Administration.

[00:02:58] What's your socials? People can know about it up front. I guess it's a catfcomics with an X at the end. That's like on all socials. Oh, catfcomics with an X. Hex, alright. Woo! You know what? It's been a while. I'm excited. I'm so happy. You know how long it's been? How long has it been? This long. Look. I have hair. You let it grow out. Man, you finally let it grow out. Honestly, it's a good look on you. Oh my god. What's your secret? No, man. You know what it is?

[00:03:25] It's just bad eating, greasy foods, a lot of tequila. It's the tequila. I'm a tequila. You know what? I have to dig out my scrunchies. You took from my excess hair. It was just like, oh my god. It's too much going. I got rid of a lot of the beard, so you just took that from me. I did too. Yeah. It's just like my wife would put my hair on. You should let it grow out. You know? You should let it grow out. I'm like, I guess. I'll surprise the queen. I guess. I guess. It's a good look. It's a good look. Well, yeah. You know how it is, right?

[00:03:52] I mean, I don't have a rat tail, but I mean, I can take my scrunchie off for you. I keep telling my partner I'm going to bring it back. You know? We were watching the Super Bowl. A lot of people had rat tails in the performance during the halftime. See? And we're like, hey, it's coming back. I should. She's like, no. No. Just like surprise her at the wedding and having it. Hard boundary. It's like, by the way, you didn't even notice, but I've been growing this the whole time. Yeah. Oh, wow. Oh, okay, Fabio. It's beautiful. Wow. Thanks. You know what? I mean, my kid gets it from somewhere. I mean, that can't be on my wife. You know what I mean?

[00:04:22] Let's be real. She gives him the cheekbones. He gets the cool hair from me. Same. You know, make a beautiful child. But yeah, you know, decided to come through with the look again. But I'll cut it. I don't want to take away from the guests. I don't want to take away from you guys. I don't want to take away from you guys. Ailey has the one with the buns. You know, Kevin has the beard. I'm the bald one. That's just kind of the thing. Well, not today. Not anymore. Not today. Not today. Because John has the cool pompadour going too. So you know what? It's cool. I'll be the bald one. It's fine. I like my hats. You know what I mean? It's all good.

[00:04:50] It would look nice to have like little fernsitas and like, you know, it would look nice on you. You know who else is bald? I thought about it. Pitbull. Yeah. See? Pitbull is all so bald. I love it because I can floss my teeth with it. You know, like just like- Wait, wait, wait. How many cutouts do you have? So this is my second one. Okay. I would like to announce I got a tabletop one for convention. Yeah. I was going to say, like, I thought it was larger. I realized the larger one is back there. Yeah. Yeah, he's still back there.

[00:05:18] You have multiple Pitbulls in your house. Yeah. I sure- I own Pitbulls. All well trained, I'm sure. A pack of Pitbulls. A pack of Pitbulls. Yeah. All I need is like 40 pounds and some aviators and I can play Pitbull. Like I can do that. Do it. I can do that. You can do that. You can do it. It's the wrong way. It's a 305. 305. But yeah, you know, that's what's new with me. And then look, I'm wearing a Concha shirt. Yeah. Yeah. Look at that. I approve.

[00:05:48] That's nice. Yeah, it's a Snorlax one too. The back has Snorlax eating. How cute. That's adorable. Hold on. Let me show you. Can you guys see it? Well, we can't do your amazing name. Otherwise, you could. Well, your bluscious locks are covering it up. Yeah. Oh, there we go. Yes. That's great. That's really good. Oh my God. Sorry. I've been noticing like a lot of artists are like combining like anime references with like the Latine Cultura and stuff. And I'm loving it.

[00:06:17] Like seeing like Studio Ghibli and like Palladillas together. I'm dying. It's like so great. Is it like a lot of pageria? Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Like I love it. It's so great. People keep sending me like Pokemon and Digimon and stuff that are designed to look like Mayan statues. And I'm like, yes. That's your aesthetic for sure. Yeah. That's awesome. But I'm down for a panaderia. It's a Studio Ghibli panaderia. Like I want to quote tomorrow. Yeah. Yeah. I need to find it and send it to you. Cause like, it's so cute.

[00:06:45] Like she, like it's an artist that I found and she has like lots of Studio Ghibli characters with like the Abuelita chocolate. Oh. With Pan Dulce. Like a bunch of like. I heard that Abuelita is not even from Menico by the way. We don't want us to post a diet. It's all by Netflix. Yeah. I literally had to explain that just yesterday. Yeah. Like, they're like, Oh, look, Abuelita. And I'm like, that's not Mexican. Don't buy that one. She's a fake abuela. She's a grandma. When they first marketed it, it literally said grandmas. And then they just realized that they could sell it better if they called it Abuelitas. They're like, no, that ain't Abuelita. That's me mom. Sorry.

[00:07:16] After this year and the elections, me and my wife were like, well, fuck, I guess I don't go to Target no more. I don't buy this chocolate no more. Like I'm not spending money. So that's fine. Listen, there's so many videos. Squirt instead of Sprite. Squirt. There's there's so many videos from Mexico. People just not buying Coke. They're like, what else? They're using it to like step up and grab the Pepsi. They're using it as stairs. I love it. I'm all about it. Like, look, let's make that. Let's make sangria. Yeah. People like the big Mexican drink.

[00:07:45] Why isn't that right? Like, dude, for real. I'll be real with you. Like, I don't like that. I'm like, why is it so flat? Like, I don't know. Yes. It's what I imagine like motor oil with sugar tastes like. It feels like Coke. Yeah. It's like the Coke. You couldn't sell it. Like fucking let's make it Pepsi. Like, yeah, you know, we'll subsidize it. That's what it felt like. But we're like, it tastes like fucking revolution. So we're like, fuck it.

[00:08:15] That's what we're drinking at the house. It tastes like real freedom. It tastes like real freedom. It's not the flavorless. It's not going to. No. Freedom is not easy. You got to earn it. Shit. And we're doing it by drinking Pepsi, everybody. And S Squirt is putting it out there. And S Squirt. Dr. Pepper's still good though, by the way. Yeah. Dr. Pepper's still solid. Yeah, I love that. I'm a Dr. Pepper role. They're still solid. I wish they were still Texas owned. They're solid. Are they not anymore? I think they're from here. Yeah, they are from here. Yeah, they are from here. No, it's Whataburger up to get up.

[00:08:45] Whataburger got purchased by the Chicago bank. Oh yeah, Whataburger got purchased. Yeah. Dr. Pepper is still Texas. They drive by the fucking Dr. Pepper plant. I'm like, Dr. Pepper's down the road. No, but my thing is though, I always amazed me when I'd go out of Texas that people didn't know what Dr. Pepper was. And now, I mean, it's getting more common, but like, I remember the first time I went to Seattle, they were like, oh, I said, do you have Dr. Pepper? And they're like, oh, are you from Texas? How'd you know? Like, cause the last person who ordered that was from Texas. I didn't know that. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't really drink Dr. Pepper until my friends, my roommates who are from Texas would

[00:09:15] drink it every day. And I'm just like, oh, let me try that. Like, yo. Yeah. Okay. When I moved to California, there were two things that I noticed. Besides a lot of beards, no offense, Kevin, there was big red was a big fucking thing here. Yeah. Yeah. Both for me. What is it? I could drink big red when I'm like, I don't want anything as hard as a soda. You know what? Big red's not really soda. And I'll get that. You know what? It's just coloring, right? It's like, yeah, it's like spicy Hawaiian punch. So yeah.

[00:09:45] I was going to say spicy Sprite. Like sizzly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's Hawaiian punch. Visually Hawaiian punch. It's Hawaiian punch Sprite is what it is. Yeah. That's a perfect way to describe it. You know, it's funny, Freddie, you said, you know, you saw a lot of people with beards here and you're like, sorry, Kevin. It's a funny, whenever somebody is like, hey, you look like somebody I know. And I'm like, look, glasses, beard. I'm every third guy in Austin. Come on. I understand. I mean, hold on. Can we address Kevin? You're fucking like wasting away, bro.

[00:10:13] Like you're like, I swear to you, like Dr. Who the other day wearing the little thing and the scarf. I was like, who is this man? Like, I don't recognize him. That man. Yeah. I'll pretend it's because I'm doing a really good job on my diet and exercise. Heck yeah. Yeah, you are. Yeah, you are. Yeah, you are. Fizzly Hawaiian punch. Fizzly Hawaiian punch. That's a diet. No, man, I can't lose what I just keep finding it. Like, it's just like, oh shit, there's more. Like I can't, you know, it is what it is. It's my coat.

[00:10:39] Yeah, I want to move on here because I know we can't kind of cannibalize the night. We have Kat here. We want to just jump into her and her work. Yeah. But I also wanted to kind of just go around and we talked about it offline. So this weekend as of recording is the Oscars. We talk about films here. We talk about movies. Talk about bad movies. JLo, I'm looking at you because that was pretty rough, but I still have another movie. I've still found another movie that is worse than the JLo movie. And I think we're going to talk about it for sure here.

[00:11:08] But Oscars. Who else is really excited about the Oscars? I mean, we had the noms come out. I can pull up the list here. Yeah. But I think just to kind of narrow it down and kind of make it fun here. I'm going to mix in the, because we had the Grammys that happened a couple weeks ago as well. We had Pots on. The Super Bowl just happened. The Super Bowl just happened. Yeah. I loved it. It's so good. But this section here is where we wanted to bring up something we kind of are not liking,

[00:11:37] our hot takes, our thoughts here. But we also want to mix it in with some of the topics we discussed about the film and music, whatnot. But so it was hand in hand. I told us that she had, she said this was the first one of us to watch. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. And then you said you had thoughts and you were going to hold them for the podcast. So I've been holding space. I've been like poking at her like, all right. And I watched it. I have thoughts and I think that it's going to come through. Has anybody else here watched it or know a lot about it? I haven't watched it.

[00:12:05] All I just keep hearing constantly is all of the stuff unearthed about the star and the non-apologies that have come out since. So I'm like burning bridges before those bridges are finished being built. For real. Yeah. Yeah. It's a shame too, given everything else I've heard about the making of the film, which would have been great, but. Kevin, let me start by this premise and Kat, have you seen the film? I have not yet. So tell us the premise. Okay. Honestly, I don't even know the premise.

[00:12:34] I feel like we can talk about it without going into spoilers just fine. You know, like go off ready. I'll let you, I'll let you kick it off. I'll let you kick it off. I mean, you've been holding it off. Okay. You jump in whenever you need to. I'm good. Here we go. Okay. Yeah. Go for it. Start us off. So this is, this is the story of an attorney. Zoe Saldana. Yeah. And this attorney is like begrudgingly protecting. This is what fucked me up. It opens up with mariachis, but they're white guys. All right. They're all white mariachis.

[00:13:03] All the lawyers besides Zoe Saldana are white guys or really like, like, like passing. We only see brown people when we get to the bad guys immediately. That, that got struck me. As soon as we got like, it was just, so the character, her character is basically defending part. You're making me think of novellas. All the times of novellas, if it's the poor people, if it's the background people, they're dark. If it's the main people, even if the main person is poor, but if it's the main person, they're white. You're a defense attorney. Your job is to defend people, right?

[00:13:31] You're going to defend people sometimes that maybe aren't innocent or aren't the best. That's just the reality of your job. She is begrudgingly doing this work. She thinks she's like, Oh my God, I'm tortured. Why am I protecting all these people? And she's protecting all these cartel guys. It's really seedy, deep, seedy people. And she is working for a man, a white passing guy. Right. And that he's takes the credit for everything. And she feels like I'm not doing shit with my life. I hate my job. I hate what I'm doing. And then smash cut to random two Mexican dudes. The brownest dude.

[00:14:00] You'll see here lady, let me kidnap you. Just lightly put a bag over her head and just take her into a bed. She doesn't put up a fight. She's like, Oh, she basically does a fate. And like, even before that, like she gets a call just out of the blue from like, how did this, how did this contact get your information? And now we're here. Like, the kidnapper. Yeah. We need a drug cartel kingpin that basically says, Hey, I need to escape the law. And I also have a dream of transitioning.

[00:14:28] And I need you to help me do this so that I can escape and skirt the law disappear. And I need you to help me do it with having been traveling with transitioning. And she's like fighting it. No, I don't like it. But when she, he throws money in her face and I'm. I'm condensing it for you. There's more, two more layers. But point is like, here's enough money thrown at it. They go into it. But when I tell you that it's not after watching it, the story goes that she helps this. She helps them, right?

[00:14:56] She helps them go through this process and everything as far as them going through the process of finding the place where they can do the surgeries where he has a family and they're going to actually abandon their family just to go do this. And everything in the sake of having this happen to where, guess what, let's go to a hospital. Now we have a sing along about every type of operation you can have. Yeah, it's gone viral on TikTok. And it's not even funny. Ha ha. It's funny. Like, hmm.

[00:15:25] Like, this is not even like, yeah, entertaining anymore. It's it's hilarious in the sense that I can't believe you fucking are doing this. And what I took away from it and Elia, we can dive a little more into it. But I felt like and by all means, right, to respect what they're trying to do. But it's pandering. This movie is 98 percent pandering to say, hey, because they're trans, they can do whatever the fuck they want. Fuck the world. I'm going to burn down every single every single town.

[00:15:53] I'm going to destroy every family because I deserve to transition. But it's not even a human story. It's OK to have fucked up people in movies and in stories. Right. But at the same time, they're trying to make you understand that it's OK that they're fucked up because they're going to transition. And so it loses the idea of identity and losing the idea of the struggle. Right. That they're trying to really go against the societal norms and really try to be embraced as opposed to a F you.

[00:16:21] I'm doing this not only because I feel like it, but I'm going to skirt the law to do it. And I don't care who I hurt, what I destroy. As long as I throw money at it, it's going to be OK. And let's sing some songs while we're doing it. So, like, I had no fun watching this film. I cringed a lot. I sat there thinking, this is pandering. I feel bad. And, you know, I can't speak for anybody that's transitioned or that community. But for the how it's being presented, it's damn near like.

[00:16:52] It's damaging. Thank you. It's damaging. It's like it's damaging to the extent that it's it's laughable because they're trying to say, hey, we're we're going to lean so far into Chikuma's hearing me. I hear his ghost whispering at me. I mean, they're trying to be so woke that it's almost it's hindering the actual. Yeah.

[00:17:13] Hearing you guys talk about this is making me think of things like like Green Book and stuff where it's like they're trying to have one message, but it's clearly just to make people feel better about. I helped hear this message, you know, and it's like that. Yeah. And like this film from the start has felt like an absolute like just cinematic seed that's just there for the people who aren't part of this circle to feel better about themselves. So, yeah, that's why I brought up Green Book. That's exactly why I brought up Green Book.

[00:17:40] Yeah. And like I tried so hard to like find something to hold on to redeemable, whatever. But like the writing awful. The music should not it shouldn't have been a musical. I will stand by that. And if they kept it a musical, they should have had people who can sing. Zoe Saldana, great actress, cannot sing. And and the she's played singers more than once. Yeah, I know. And there's a scene with a blonde wig and rubs it against her crotch.

[00:18:07] Like it's it's I mean, there's a who here can say we haven't done that. You're right. You're right. No, but like my crotch, but not that blonde wig. But like at the end of the day, I was like this. This movie was directed by a French guy who didn't bother doing any research about La Cultura. So he didn't care. And people need to understand that he did not care. So therefore, why should we?

[00:18:30] But this movie's gotten so much positive attention for some reason that it's it's frustrating because like it just makes me go like, why? Why is this being regarded as like the absolute epitome of weird cinema? And I'm like, here's the thing. Do I think there's the potential of a good story there? Absolutely.

[00:18:50] If Tony Scott was still alive and had a hold of this script, I fully believe he could have found a way to direct this movie in a way that wouldn't make me want to hate myself. But that's not what we got. Unfortunately, Tony Scott is no longer with us. We got a director who doesn't respect a culture enough or a demographic enough to research something and instead wants to play it up as camp and freaky cinema. And now they're not. It was worse than Joker 2.

[00:19:19] And I still haven't seen it, but I've heard the same comparison. Having seen Repo the Genetic Opera, I think Repo the Genetic Opera is a work of art compared to Amelia Perez. I couldn't like the music was awful. It was nominated for cinematography and I have no idea why those film cuts were like Windows filmmaker. They make the camera to come in wave at a weird like shot. It's a lot for being weird. Like, hey, you know what? Let's be artsy to be artsy.

[00:19:48] Let's just district every box on the weird shot list. Exactly. Like, side down, sideways views, like cutting and these weird jumps too. Like the editing is just weird how it just jumps. No smooth transitions. You feel like you're watching flashbacks as opposed to an actual transition to a next scene. It's like a Tumblr blog in the form of a movie. That's the best way I can describe it. But as far as Oscars go, there's Wicked. You know what? Yeah.

[00:20:16] I think I think Wicked. So, okay. So I love Wicked. I'm obsessed with Wicked. I don't think Cynthia or Ariana are going to get the Oscars for the actresses, but I do feel like they're going to snub or they're like going to definitely get all the production ones like Paul Tay as well. I'm obsessed with his costume designs. Like, I definitely think he'll get costumes. That's amazing. The production, the sets and everything. Special effects. I think Wicked's got those in the bag. But like the leading actor and actresses awards are stacked this year. Like they're so stacked.

[00:20:45] So I don't know. I don't know. I mean, just on films alone. I'm going to run it quickly. Yeah. Amina Perez, A Complete Unknown, which is a Bob Dylan story with Chalamet. Yeah. I love music. Yeah. I'm a big geek about it, but I don't know. It just doesn't catch me. Conclave, Nickelodeon. Yeah. Conclave. Yeah. The Substance, Dune Part 2, which actually was pretty dope. I really thought that actually dug Dune. And I'm happy that a sci-fi film is in this category if you think about it. Yeah. Pretty cool. And a sequel, Noah.

[00:21:15] The Beatlist, which I have not seen yet. Heard good things. Everyone's saying that one's going to win. The thing is, Adrian Brody's done a lot of stuff that makes me not want to go back and see his movies. Really? I was really, his whole Saturday Night Live performance just really made up. Yeah, I missed out on that chapter, so I have no idea. I heard about it. I can't get it out of my brain. He almost does blackface. Let's just put it that way. And uncalled for too.

[00:21:41] All he was supposed to do was introduce the band, but he put on a Jamaican wig and did a whole pigeon accent. I remember this. And literally they told him afterwards, you're never coming back to Saturday Night Live. And I was like, you know what? He was horrible in, what was it? Asteroid City. And I love Wes Anderson movies, but that movie sucked. I want to see that, but I've heard a lot of people tell me that. I want to see that. Okay. There's a trend going on, man. Like there's a trend of these films like, you know what?

[00:22:09] I'm going to make the film for the filmmaker that wants to make the weirdest film possible. I understand that. It's funny films, right? No, yeah. Absolutely. And it's cool aesthetic to it. And it's kooky and it's fun and it's artsy and I'm okay with that. But when you watch Asteroid City, which is like an older movie, not three years old or so. We sat there and we were grasping at straws to like, there's just like six different storylines going on and none of them are worth keeping any attention to. Like they just kind of fall apart. Yeah. It's so, it's so weird.

[00:22:39] Sorry. Digress. There's an Oscar snub I want to mention real quick. Yeah. A different man. I saw that movie. It's really good. Like it was one of the movies that when I heard the premise, I was like, there's no way this is going to be good. Because the premise is, there is a man with facial differences who gets a magical procedure who's now looks like Sebastian Stan. And I'm like, that's not a great, because I was thinking the same thing you guys talked about.

[00:23:02] But I didn't realize that the supporting actor, Adam Pearson, is somebody who has those severe facial differences. And he is the breakaway star of that movie. Like he is really, really good. And yet the only nomination that I'm seeing on the list here for a different man is makeup, which is making Sebastian, making Sebastian Stan look like him. That was the only, and I'm like, I can't, I mean, he's been in multiple movies, but I can't imagine another movie where he's going to be able to get supporting or lose.

[00:23:32] And if he's a lead actor, he should have been nominated. And it's just, you know. I don't know, man. I think that it's hard because we look at these films and yes, we want the ones that get the most attention are like, fuck, man, this is not a great fucking movie. Yeah. Like the drama outside of that, you know, which I don't even want to get through. It's a whole fucking, what is it? Like just, Carla's a mess. Yeah, it's messy. Carla's a mess. It's bad. We'll just leave it at that. But Kat, what do you like on this list? I mean, I know we've been yapping away here.

[00:24:02] Are you, are you, do you have anything in mind that looks, you know what, that looks good? Do you like Wicked or are you a fan of Amelia Perez? I don't know. No, I haven't watched Amelia Perez, but like what I've been seeing in like the queer community, especially from like trans folks, is that like they're upset more that that movie, which isn't a really good representation of transness, got nominated versus I saw the TV glow, which is a movie about, you know, dysphoria and like transness.

[00:24:29] And like that should have been at least considered, but of course, stories like that, that are actually authentic to the experience will never be like voted or considered for the ballot. Yeah. And the director of the creator of I saw TV glow is also trans. And the thing is, I saw that movie. I had some minor issues with the, the storytelling, but in terms of showing the feeling it's really good. It really is good. And yeah, that, that kind of thing, those indie films, they usually get just kind of passed over.

[00:24:58] Unless they have a big, big name person in them. So exactly. Yeah. It's really disappointing. Yeah. It's a, it's a trip. I want to talk about animated films. There's a movie there, a film there that I fucking fell in love with this past year. That's nominated for an award. Yeah. Best animated film. So I'll leave, I'll read the list and tell you my favorite. Well, flow, which I haven't seen, but I think the cat, right? Yeah. And the flood. Right. That one. I want to see that. Yeah. I heard it's really good.

[00:25:28] I heard it's really good. It looks pretty. It's not necessarily for kids per se. Yeah. It's a lot of like, some dark stuff happens in there. It's like, App Store or animated or something like that. Yeah. It's made, it's made a hundred percent on blender, by the way. So if anybody knows about that, it's a hundred percent made on blender. Yo. So it's, it's something that my 15 year old could have designed if he had to come.

[00:25:48] And now a short rant about flow from that same 15 year old. I'll give my opinion on flow real quick since they didn't end the podcast, but, uh, I, I didn't like flow. I thought it was boring. Just animals on boats and there's nothing to it.

[00:26:17] It's nothing. It's bland. I don't even know what to say about it really. I just thought it was boring. And I get that it's not like an action film or anything that's like in your face. Like there's show, don't tell for a reason, but there needs to be some explanation there. Like there's some, there's hints at something, but there's nothing. It leads up to nothing. They tell you nothing and all the statues and the land, the flood and no explanation. There's, there's nothing to it.

[00:26:47] There's nothing for me to really say even just, I didn't like it. It was boring. I was like falling asleep in the middle of it. It felt kind of pointless to be honest. I know people like flow a lot. I saw like a 97 on rotten tomatoes, but I don't, I don't get it. I don't like the movie. I'm just repeating points now because I, I don't think there's that much to say on the

[00:27:15] movie, but what I probably said on a flow made no sense. I'm kind of just going on a rant here. But, uh, yeah, that was that. That's my opinion on flow. Now back to your regularly scheduled podcast. Hey, bubba. What's up, Kim? What did you think of the movie flow? I wasn't a fan of it. It's in the office. Some people are saying it's the one of the best movies ever.

[00:27:43] But I think that if you want to see it was going to win the Oscar today, I think they didn't get much of a snail. I hope it's memories of a snail. I didn't like flow that much. I don't know. I feel like it was hinting at something that didn't give you anything. Yeah. It was too cryptic. And I was like, you know what? Yeah. Yeah. I was falling asleep during it.

[00:28:18] Inside Out 2. Yeah. I finally watched that this past weekend, actually. It's good. Not as good as the first. Yeah. Yeah. I think it was hard for me to watch because I'm on an anxiety journey with my therapist right now. And so I was just like, oh, this is rough. We had to pause it so many times. I was like, oh. If I could make a suggestion, there is on Disney Plus an Inside Out spinoff series. That's like, I think. Is it the dream one? Yes. It's so good. Okay. I was wondering. That should have been the sequel.

[00:28:47] No, that's like, like, like, just have the original, the emotions in the background. That's like they only have cameos. Yeah. This should have been the main movie because, I mean, Inside Out 2 was okay. But this movie is so, or movie, this miniseries is so good. Yeah. I need to watch it. Then we have the Wild Robot, which we talked about, Kevin. I love that. Yeah. I love that. I love that movie. What are your thoughts on that, Kat? What did you think about that? Oh, I was just watching it just randomly and did not expect to cry as much as I did.

[00:29:16] It's so emotional. And especially with people with like, who want a closer relationship with their moms, which me, but like, it's just, it resonated. I don't know. It's just, it's very like heartfelt and kind of restored like humanity for me in a way, which is funny because it's about a robot. Robot. Yeah. I like that movie on a lot of levels. Pizza and Angla is the voice of the robot. Yeah. I think it's crazy that she does so many really great voice roles that people don't realize it.

[00:29:45] Like, she's in Star Wars, but only as a voice. And I think that's nuts. Although I think it's pretty cool. She's amazing. Then there's a foul, pardon, Wallace and Gromit, Vengeance Most Foul. Wallace and Gromit. They've been in that for a minute, man. They're classics, man. They're classics. Classics, right. And then there's a film that I am fucking infatuated with, Memoir of a Snail. Yeah. I've always seen clips on TikTok. It looks really cool. It looks like something I would love. Oh my God. It's so good.

[00:30:12] It revolves around twins, boy and girl, and their journey from, it's from birth into like, it talks about, man, talking about tearing up. Me, my wife and my son watched it because we're a fan of this filmmaker. I forget his name. He did the letters with, he's won a couple of awards. He's done another one where they write letters to each other like a complete stranger. I gotta look it up now. But the premise of the story is pretty much that we follow his main character. She gets separated from her brother because her parents pass away tragically, like each

[00:30:41] one individually. And they have the mother that passed first. I'm not giving much away. I promise. She passed away initially in the film. She was infatuated with snails and she kind of passed that on to her kids and they collect like snail, you know, figurines, snail memorabilia, what have you. They just like snails. But that snail becomes an embodiment of the sister because it's a character that kind of shies away. She tends to not move at the speed of everybody else, does things her way, tends to be closed off.

[00:31:11] And we learn about the snail's life cycle. We learned about how the swirl is not, they're all unique. Every snail has a unique swirl and what that represents. But everything from, and I'm just going to list off traumas here. Everything from family, death, separation, anxiety, attacking the queer community. Everything from weight shaming. Everything from, I would say, partner abuse. Everything from ageism. Everything from just a gentrification in your neighborhood.

[00:31:40] It's the sexual discovery. It's so much through the story from soup to nuts. Just really, it's an, you experience someone's life, like from a, from baby to their fifties or forties. And you, you learn to look at life a whole different way through this scenario. And it makes you believe in, in humanity at the end. It's so good. The reason I don't watch movies like this is they're clearly just aimed at parents of small children. And I don't have any, you know, you know, small kids. There's, I'm not going to go see them.

[00:32:10] This is just for three year olds. Clearly. So you don't think you can feel. Oh my God. Kevin Garcia always stirring the fucking pot. Oh my God. I'm about to fucking turn you up. I think that memories of a snail should win that category. It is a, it's a, they call it a tragic comedy and it's all in claymation, by the way. So it's all that. It's, it's amazing. I need to watch it. It's Adam Elliott, the art from Australia. It's amazing. I really recommend it. You can watch it on prime. I think it's like three bucks to rent.

[00:32:40] It's worth it. I promise you. It's worth it. But you know, we have a lot of fun talking about, you know, the movies and you know, things we don't like, like Mila Perez and the JLo movie, by the way, the heart factory. There's pedals. And there's, I thought that you were talking about Geely or whatever that was. Geely. Gobble, gobble. That one. But she says Turkey time. Gobble, gobble. No, no, no. That's what I'm talking about. That knows what I'm talking about. Okay. She got it. She got it.

[00:33:10] Right. There you go. I did it really well. Right. There's a scene where JLo and Ben Affleck are in the bedroom and she's like laying there. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Like they're going to do something. And he goes, it's Turkey time. And I'm like, no. Oh, no. They're going to Turkey time, which I don't have to go beyond that phrase. No. And then she's she goes gobble, gobble. Uh-uh. It's because of the tryptophan. They're going to just fall asleep. Right? Yeah. At the middle time. There's some kind of thing. Some things are going to make them go to sleep. God.

[00:33:41] Wow. Look at season eight, everybody. This is what we're all about on season eight. Woo. Kevin Garcia is letting loose. And Freddie, you are a fill in that hole. Whoa. I am. I am. Gobble, gobble. Gobble, gobble, gobble, Kevin. John. I want that clip right here. Whoever's editing this. Gobble, gobble. Oh my God. Where you going?

[00:34:11] It's Turkey time. Hey, I'm your primo, Freddie. And we're going to start off this series with playing Metal Gear Solid. That scared look in your eyes. And it's all blurry. Shaded. You've never shot. I'm going to clean up my card.

[00:34:40] I'm going to draw. Fuck you, Josh. Right? It's your primo, Freddie here. I hope you enjoyed that little taste of what I'm all about beyond the podcast. Reason being is that we want to give you a teaser because the primos are launching a Patreon. A Patreon, if you don't know, is a way for the comunidad to support us, the primos, in creating content beyond the podcast. Don't worry. The podcast will still be there in whatever form you enjoy it.

[00:35:10] But we're also going to have the opportunity to create something more with our flavor, with our community. I'm excited because this is our endeavor involving the primos that you've come to enjoy on the podcast. John, Elia, Chikume, and Kevin, we're all in this together and we want to invite the family and the community to join us on Patreon. Now, my contribution is going to be gaming. I love video games. I love trading card games from Magic to Nowali to Union Arena.

[00:35:38] Also, I'm learning some D&D. So I have Elia and of course John to help me through it. But primos, stay tuned for more details. I'm excited to have you join us on this opportunity so that we can make content that is as loud and as proud as the Latino community. Remember primos, no matter where you're from, we're all primos and let's go after it. Let's show the world we can get things done. Stay tuned primos. Hasta la próxima.

[00:36:11] Well, you know guys, we're having fun. You know what else is fun? Cat Fajardo, we have you as a guest today. I want to talk about you, your work, you know, definitely a fan of your books and you know, I want to give you a moment to just kind of like, you know, kind of a introduce yourself to the primos here that may not know who you are. I'll just take a moment right now. Introduce yourself to the primos. Yeah. Um, so my name is Cat Fajardo. I'm an award winning cartoonist. I make graphic novels for middle grade readers.

[00:36:41] I do artwork for like middle grade book covers and also a chapter book series. And right now I'm working on a chapter book series called, uh, the kids and Mrs. Z, Mrs. E's class. And I'm also working on a, not working on, I'm still like in like deadline mode in my brain, but I just finished my, uh, sequel. That's what it looks like. Yeah, I know. It's like readjustment, like gears. The, uh, sequel to my, uh, first, uh, book was Scholastic Graphics.

[00:37:08] My first book was Miss Gensis and my second book is Miss Camper, which comes out in July. And I have my little, my little archery here. Ooh. Nice. Yeah. Um, so yeah. I have the first one. There you go. So yeah. So I'm just, you know, working between projects and, um, I'm, I'm a freelancer. So I take on like any contract work here and there, but, um, in the meantime, I just been

[00:37:36] trying to do more community stuff, bringing, you know, um, bringing knowledge and experience of like comics and working in book industry back to people who like need advice and need guidance. Um, I just started a meetup group here in Austin called, um, I guess ATX meetup for ATX comics meetup. And yeah, wait, you know, I was just going to hold on.

[00:38:03] I was just going to say that last week I was giving a talk about Latino, Latina comic book creators and I mentioned you specifically. And I was like, you know, Kat Fajardo, I read some of her like more personal books about her own experiences, but then she later started doing stuff for kids. And that's really something she wished she had when she was younger. And I'm giving all this, I'm giving you all this praise. And now I'm finding out you're, you're basically having a no homers club is what you're telling me that there's a no Kevin club in Austin somewhere. All right. I get it. You know what? I get it. I, I, I understand.

[00:38:33] The information is on Instagram. I think I followed you. I don't know. I barely use, uh, drag him, drag him. Well, Kevin, you're, you're invited to the next meetup. It's in March. There's a Kevin shaped hole that needs to be filled in that room. Oh man. No, it's not my intention. My intention. You know, but Kat, you know, one thing that I enjoy is the fact that, you know, I'm going to put it out there.

[00:39:02] Like I'm from El Salvador of Centro America at the meeting of the Centro American creator and I'm from El Salvador and I know you're from Honduras. Yeah. I had a feeling it for Centro America and it's something about the accent. I don't know what it is. Is it the hair? It's the hair. It's the hair. It's the hair. It's the hair. Yeah. I get that a lot. I get that like, with blue side grease, you know, like, you got the grease. See, that's what makes this shit shine. You know, and it was perfect too. Cause I can just like, you know, like, you know, we've been, we'll snack a little later. You need to clean that up a little bit, you know, and then glamour shots, you know,

[00:39:32] Uro Cinco Cero Tres, right? You know, that's what we do. So, but the reason I bring that up is because it's fun to, to meet a Central American creator, you know, because, you know, the majority of creators that we speak to are general media in Texas and California is a little more diverse, but here is more from Mexico. And, you know, we love our primos from Mexico as well, but it's fun to meet other, you know, Contrapiertas of Central America, right? Yeah. And I bring that up because a lot of our stories are in the mingles.

[00:40:00] They are connected, but there is a little bit of a spice that's from Central America. It's a little different, you know what I mean? And can you talk a little bit about how that is mixed into some of your stories and how that kind of spice exists? Yeah. So I guess like growing up as any other like American teen, seeing a lot of like representation kind of like made me upset or like the representation that was fed to us on like, you know, TVs and movies and stuff.

[00:40:30] So like seeing, you know, mostly thugs. Yep. Gang. That's exactly what I was telling my students last week. I was like, yeah, when I was growing up in the nineties, it's like, hey, we finally have Mexican American character, but he's a gang member. But we got a character. Trouble kid, you know, like something, you know, like that. So like every time. Yeah. Yeah. That's how you know they're bad. Exactly. And so it's just like a really like frustrated with that representation and like, you know,

[00:40:56] didn't really have anyone to vent about that growing up because like everyone who kind of grew up with that like environment just knew they're like, yeah, there's nothing we can do about it. Just used to it. Yeah, exactly. So I think that's what gravitated me towards like zines and comics because like I was able to control the narrative and like create characters based on my own experience of my culture, which I didn't see a lot. Like the closest thing I saw was like Love and Rockets. Yeah, of course. Like, yeah. So just like, oh yeah.

[00:41:23] Like Chicanos and like even the Colombian like character. I was just like, oh my God, I've never seen that before. That's amazing. You know, like, so I was really inspired by Jaime Hernandez's work and his brother's work as well. And like that kind of inspired me to create, I guess, more narratives from the Hispanic or Latina like perspective. And since then I've been doing it for about like 10 years or so, like just making comics and zines about that experience. Because I guess I just really craved that when I was younger, you know, especially graphically. You know how good it felt when somebody said boss.

[00:41:53] I was like, oh shit. Like a flag went up like where? Where? Like you don't understand. Okay. Those of us that are in Central America from the Caribbean right there. Like if you hear a voice over me and the accent at the end, you're like, oh shit. Yeah. Like you run towards it because it is nothing. You said I grew up in South Central, right? It's predominantly black and Mexican neighborhoods. Right. And I had to code switch, you know, I had to play off. I got Mexican too.

[00:42:23] Ese. You know, like that whole thing. Mexican-ish. Ish. Mexican-ish. Or I say way a lot, you know, like that wasn't my thing. I'm married a Mexican. So now I say way and all that shit, you know, it is what it is. Mexican-ish. For the next episode, where I'll be saying a lot of way when we have Charles back on from Juarez, by the way, he's going to come back on the show. Yeah. The point is that it is something to be said about like Central America, right? I know that we have the, to give a shout out to Chispa comics there. The Trece, you know, predominantly Mexican characters.

[00:42:53] But he, they are also designing, you know, this public information. He said that we're doing something along the lines of a Central American, you know, like group as well. So I'm excited for that to be more inclusive and bring more and more eyes on more than just Mexico, which is beautiful. And it's great. Right? Love his culture. But I do love the idea that your stories are going to have that intermingling because that's what you grew up with. Like, that's the way my mom spoke to me. That's how we, we spoke to each other.

[00:43:22] Those little isms that unless you're in it, you're not going to get it. Right? Like, I tried telling Digger Ball the joke and he, it's fine with telling the story. You were there, Kevin, for this. So me and Chikuma are sitting around. We're talking about, you know what, man? I have a character for a story, but you know, tell me what you think. What if he's wearing a jersey and he has a really big zero on his back? You know? Right. He's like, well, I don't get it. He goes, what do you mean you don't get it? And he's like, it's a giant zero. And he's like, yeah, but what do you call a big zero? He's like, un cero grande.

[00:43:52] And I go, no, it's un cerote. And that's the joke. Like, that's the joke. See, Kat got him. You know what I'm like? Like, you know, like, I said, why can't I have a character that was a big zero on his back? They're like, I don't get it. But that's the thing bad. It's just like, those are the things that I want to see. So I'm excited that you're writing those stories that you're kind of throwing that in there. So I'm excited for that. Thank you. Yeah. And it's like, it was important for like, even though it's like a children's graphic novel, but like

[00:44:18] for Mesquins says, when we had working with the translator, I specifically told them, okay, like, here's some like, like Honduras and Honduras. I can never say that word. Honduran isms. Honduran isms. Yeah. Thank you. That we use in our everyday, like, for example, like, sipote for like kid instead of like chamaco or like, you know, like voice and stuff like that. So like, I was just like, specifically, like, can you please like add these because they would add that like spice, like you said, like, it would feel more authentic for people growing up.

[00:44:44] Or like from that culture to be like, oh, like, like they can see themselves in my story, you know, and, and I'm glad, you know, we went with that route because or I'm glad that I'm scholastic allowed it because like going to like book fairs and like doing school visits. It's I meet a lot of children, especially like kids from like Honduras or like El Sabado that are just like, oh my God, this is the first time I've seen like a character like just like me and like using these like, you know, words that they recognize. Like, it's just it's so meaningful to them.

[00:45:14] And that's, that's the whole point of like making these kinds of stories. I love it. Yeah, it's really nice. I love it. I love it. No, I know. I'm getting like, ah. And it's almost used to it. I was like, oh shit, like there, like that's, that's, that's us. That's me. That's how we talk. My wife makes fun of me. And she'll be like, boss, and I'm like, no, you're doing it wrong. Sorry. It does do it wrong. All right. Yeah. Okay. Pupusas, right? Pupusas. I mean, you're a fan of it, but I love pupusas.

[00:45:43] My wife ate it with the fork. And I said, it's fine. Cause I love you. Yep. No, that's fine. But Kevin, pupusa with the fork or eat it with your hands. You do my hands, but I also they're gorditas. They're not going to do it. I don't know. It's like, it's fine. You're going to be like, we're going to have to, Kat, are you looking for extra part time work? I mean, they don't pay, but we like, I can use some backup. Beard, you know. Okay. You could put a beard on. Right.

[00:46:12] I mean, you know, like, you never know. You put enough pupusas. Right. No, no. One thing I love is about Austin is that there are actually a lot of Salvadoran and Andoran food trucks. So like, I'll go there and I'll be like, I thought that was called. Oh. And I look over and see the little flag in the corner. Okay. And then I'm like, yeah, I want some, you know, and I just, I love getting the different like, like it's familiar, but it's new. I know. I know. No. And you know what?

[00:46:37] The first time I had, I had a pupusa, someone from the office got them and I got, I was like, Oh yeah, I got gorditas. And I got glares. I was like, Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold on. Hold on. What did I do? No, I know what I did. I know what I said. I know what I said. Sorry. I grew up on another slide. I'll give you props. Don't give me that. I enjoy tacos. I enjoy mole. Oh man. Right. Like amazing.

[00:47:07] Like can't touch it. Like I fucking, my wife from Puebla, they make the best fucking mole ever. Like they just do. Okay. It's amazing. I fucking love it. Right. But there's something about a pupusa or a pan relleno, pan con pollo. Right. Like that. You just can't replicate. I'll give you an example. You know what? We're not good at quesadillas because our quesadilla is fucking bread. It's not even a fucking quesadilla with cheese. Yeah. It's a pastry. So we fucked up there. Okay. We'll give you that. Okay. Okay. But it's not a gordita. Okay. I don't know.

[00:47:37] I don't know. Just tell Kevin Garcia. We sure, man. You've been, you've been. We just got back. I'm about to tear my hair out because of you. You're like, yeah. Like I just, you're like, I just grew this all out and now I start over again. You know what? On the fly. Here you go. I have an idea. You know how they have those hot ones show where they eat like hot ones and shit. Let's do a pupusa and primo show. And let's just do a pupusa and primo. I like that. I like that. Let's do it. You want to be on pupusa and primo? Absolutely. Absolutely. Let's do it.

[00:48:07] Let's do that. What I'm going to do is I'm going to go buy some pupusas and then I'm going to go and buy some gorditas and be like, I have them both here. My own. I mean, it's like a blind tasting. Blind tasting. It's not the same. No, hey, hey, 100%. I would put a pupusa revuelta against a fucking gordita any day. I'll say it right now. Man. It's going to be at my podcast. Oh, right. Telling you right now. I'm fighting the comments.

[00:48:37] I love tacos. I love tacos. I love more. But if you're going to go to gordita, which is like a half thin chunk of a tortilla with stuff. I mean, it is, but I like them. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Whoa. It's the hair. It's the hair. I know. It's the hair. Getting spicy. I get it, Freddie, but like, I get it. I get it. Sorry. I never realized, Freddie, how much you have in common with Samson. Yeah. Am I striking my strength? Yeah. Sassiness. Now you get your sassiness out of all the hairs there.

[00:49:07] So that's what it is. It's the sass. It's the sass. It's the sass. It's the sass in a circle. You know, like that. Like that. That's what it's all about. Like a book. What's up? Yeah. Kat, you know, what about you and Kat to work? I mean, you're, you've read it. You've enjoyed it. What can you gush about Kat? Oh my God. Where do I start? First of all. So I like, here I am 33 years old, finally got my hands on a copy and reading through it.

[00:49:32] I felt like I was like going back to heal a bit of like my 13 year old self because there's something about reading a book where you see yourself in it that you didn't have when you were younger. Like, oh my God, she's, she's an edgy little Latina teenager who reads manga and loves wearing black. That's me. That was really me. And like, I, I didn't have stuff like that that also connected to like cultura. Like I, I didn't grow up Honduran.

[00:50:00] I grew up Mexican American, but they're still very like, we grew up with guinces. We grew up around familia. We grew up with the food. Like food was a big part of my upbringing cause I grew up in the United States. So food was how I connected and like seeing all those things in here and seeing the family dynamic. It was like, Oh, this is, this is how my family. Oh my God. So like, I don't know. There was just like, I definitely cried a lot. And also I don't want to, I don't want to put a spoiler out there if you haven't read

[00:50:29] the book, but there's an occurrence with a family member that happened in this book that I encountered last year with my family member. It was a, it was a good read. I'm very happy that I found it when I did. And I found a lot of love and healing. And I hope any young readers who want to see their culture really awesomely represented in a very amazingly illustrated work, by the way, I love the illustration style so much. This is amazing. Like I want to tell everyone about this, like representation. It's it's there. It's there.

[00:50:58] And I love it on the back of the fucking cat. Yeah. Presentation. I'm going to take this out. Yo, yo. And I just go last. Let's go. Let's make it happen. Yeah. No, for real. Thank you. That means a lot. Thank you. Of course. Thank you for making this. Yeah. Like I was saying, I was talking to my kids specifically about, cause we have a culture day at our school. At least we did this year. Who knows if we're going to have it next year, you know, with the stuff going on, but we have a culture day at our school. We're supposed to talk about culture.

[00:51:26] And they asked me specifically talk about comic books. And I was talking about the history of Latino, Latina, Latina representation in comics and also behind the scenes. And the first half of it was basically just, and here's how horribly we were presented, you know? And I didn't pull any punches there. I was showing all that stuff. And then I was like, Hey, once you have creators behind the page who are talking about their own communities, suddenly it changed. And suddenly you have exactly what Elia is saying where people are like, this is me.

[00:51:56] Or even if it's not specifically me, you're like, I get it now. As opposed to just like every time a Latino character comes up, they're like, Madre de Dios! You know, like, which always, that always drives me nuts. Like that's the one line. Yes, like that. They throw that one line in every single time. Whether it's a TV show, a movie, comic book, there's a Latino character, they're like, Madre de Dios! You know? So anyway. But, but no, that's why I love yourself. And that's why I was literally talking about yours. I took like a four examples. It was you, Terry Blas, and a few other people.

[00:52:22] And I was just like, you know, these are examples of people telling their own stories, but reaching new people. And that's, that's exactly why I like it. Yeah, no, I love that. Cause like, also like whenever I go to like library, like conferences, a lot of librarians who aren't Hispanic or Latine, they come up to me and be like, Hey, like, I'm so excited to show this to my ESL class. Cause they've been craving to have like graphic novels, especially in Spanish for with like Señorita Quintez. And like, there's just, you see the excitement and like relief from their faces.

[00:52:52] That and like people who have never heard of Quinceañeras before, which like baffles me because I'm just like, Oh, I thought it was like everywhere. I thought everyone knew it, but like, that's not the case at all. For someone from like Midwest, you know, like, so it's just nice to like, you know, not only does it reach to people who from that community or from that culture, but also like beyond that as well. And that's just, that's just awesome. That's just the power of books, honestly. Like, it's just really cool. Amen. Amen. Hells. Yeah. Like I'm so excited that, you know, we get to talk to you about this and that you're

[00:53:22] creating this type of work because like representation is a huge deal. We talk about it in everything that we do. Right. And we talk about being primos and how no matter where you're from, we're all connected. We're all primos. That's why we want to support Kat and her work primos. Check out Miss Keen says, of course, and Miss Campers. That's the next one, right? Yeah. Miss Campers. Coming out in July. In July. That was the picture of you holding that is what I, what I had in the, uh, in for the kids. Cause you're holding up Miss Camper. Can you give us a, a taste of what Miss Campers is?

[00:53:52] Yeah. Yeah. Uh, better pitch. All right, let's go. Let's see. There you go. It's a Miss Camper. We'll mess it up. So Miss Campers is the sequel to Miss Keen says, and it's basically, it happens the next year, the following summer where Suyapa, the main character or Sue for short, is able to go to sleep away camp with her friends. Cause in the first book, you know, she does the Keen says, um, you know, in exchange for

[00:54:19] her mom promising that she can go to sleep away camp and then, you know, read the book and find out. But basically she, you know, ends up going to sleep away camp. And at the sleep away camp, it's the first time she's away from home for the first time away from her, you know, family, her home, her like food that she grew up with and stuff like that. So like, it's a, it's the first time that this character at our age is experiencing independence for the first time. And so like, that's what I experienced when I went to camp, um, upstate New York for the first time.

[00:54:49] And just like, it was like a culture shock of just like, oh, there's so many trees and nature around me and a lake. And that isn't like filled with like, you know, mongo trees or like things that I grew up with and, you know, visiting family Honduras. So like, it was just like an interesting change of like scenery and learning how to like hike, learning how to do all these things that like my family didn't teach me. It was just like a, I don't know. It was like, it is really interesting. Like, I don't know. I don't want to say like a wake up call, but like exposure shock. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:55:19] Yeah. I'm just like, oh, this is things that you can do. Amazing. Like, and on top of that, um, you know, she's dealing with a lot of drama with her friends for the first time. Like there's one friend that has a crush on her. She doesn't know how to handle that exactly. And her best friend is becoming really close to some other camper that she's never met before. So like, you know, she feels even more alone. So it's just like all these things happening at camp and she doesn't know how to exactly go through that without her like family's support.

[00:55:48] So yeah, Miss Kemper was like a fun, fun project. And I'm excited for people to read it. I hope they like it. It's always like, like, but like, no, no, it's not that we, they, we hope you are required to like, yeah, you're going to go get it. Primo's going to look for this book. Go look for it in July. Go find it. Go look for it. Well, in Spanish. Yeah, I think it is. It's publishing where they tell you this minute when things are going to go a certain way. So I'm just going to wait until they give me the okay, but I believe it will be. Yeah. I hope so.

[00:56:18] Yeah. Primo, at Scholastic, you know, we need to go at Scholastic and hit them up. We need a Spanish version of this book. Hit them up in Spanish. Yeah. Hit them up in Spanish. Please, Primo. And make sure to read this one because you read this one, you'll know the journey to the next one. It's going to be a good, well-earned journey. Yay! Do it. Thank you. Yeah.

[00:56:41] Thanks for hanging out with us.

[00:57:22] We are at the, what do we call this? The last chapter? The last chapter. The Denouement. The Denouement. The Denouement. The Denouement. I don't know how to pronounce it. I always say Denouement. It just sounds way more fancy. Denouement. It's like after the climax, right? It's after that. Yeah. We already said, hey look, I climaxed it in you. Yeah. The refractory period? Is that what that's called? Kevin. Are we in the refractory? Yeah. Yeah. Clip that.

[00:57:51] Are we in the refractory period? Oh my God. This is, this is wild. This is fun. I'm ready. Kat, you should come back more often. Kevin, let's loose when you're here. It's that awesome night energy, you know? Yeah. Well, I mean, it's all I could get when I'm not invited to events. So. Oh. Okay. Oh. Wow. Wow. Dude, get over it. I'll be honest. I'll be honest. If it's not a Facebook event, I don't usually notice the events.

[00:58:20] So if I could be a Facebook guy. No, I'm not. I don't, I don't host very often, but that's why I keep track of events happening. No, that's, that's good. Cause I barely use Facebook. So that's good to know for like future like events. Like, like I've been going to. I have one, but because I want to buy shit from rich people in the neighborhood. I don't even have one. I'm not even, I don't exist technically. No. So Jeremy, Jeremy, the artist, who I think a lot of you guys know, he has been posting

[00:58:46] at Facebook events that are just like a South Texas artists meetup or sketcher meetup. And so I go to that because it's on Facebook. So, oh, I remember that thing. It's this Sunday. So I got to go to that. So that's how I, I don't have a good functional memory as it is. So like, that's how I. So we, if we have, if we have to find Kevin, it's for sure on Facebook. On Facebook. No, no. If I could figure out a way to just make like a page for spice illustrations, I don't have to have like my own thing. You can do that. I'll consider it. You can do that. Well, okay. No, I think you do have to have yours first. You tie it to your personal.

[00:59:15] But then you can, then you can just not use yours. Yeah. I was like, it's like, like, oh, I'm your friend. It's my mom. Oh yeah. It's like, no block. Block. No, but we're at the, we're at the room. I guess using Kevin's example and cat. The new, uh, the now, the, you're in the refractory period of the episode. That was not what I said. Oh, like don't touch me. Don't touch me. Don't touch me. Don't touch me. Just leave me alone.

[00:59:43] Just let me just, just give me a sec. It's all about aftercare. Who we are. See, I feel like a sandwich and a cigarette. I mean, am I the only one? Wait, wait. You feel like a sandwich. And a cigarette. And a cigarette. That's amazing. There's a lot to unpack there, Freddie. There's a lot to unpack there. That's what she said. Let's dive into our recommendations, primo. This is what we, we've been obsessed with or into recently or want to just share.

[01:00:12] You guys know, please tell us your recommendations at myprimospodcast. Let us know what you want us to check out. You know, we might bring it up on the show. Never know. Let's start with our guest, Kat. Yeah. Put you on the spot. What are you recommending to the primos out there? Let us know what we can check out. Well, since it's like Oscar season and stuff, I'm, I, I'm not really like a scene. What was it called? A scene-a-file. But like, I like watching video essays about the creation of like, or like the thought process

[01:00:39] behind like films and directions and stuff. So one YouTuber I've been really getting into is Thomas Flight. He does a lot of like analysis of like examination of like the artist, artistry of like filmmaking and like when it comes to cinematography or like the acting. He has really good videos. Like a few of my favorite ones are like, there's one about like subtle performances with like actors and how like their facial expressions is just like enough for like to set the mood of the entire scene.

[01:01:08] And as someone with like autism, it's like really hard for me to like kind of notice those subtle like facial expressions. And so as he breaks it down, I'm just like, that makes so much sense. Oh, I see what you mean. You know, like, it's really cool. So I recommend his, his videos, his and like Yara Said, I think her name is. She does a lot of great video essays of like movies and cultures, but from a black feminist point of view and her stuff is always really good. So I recommend her stuff. Yeah.

[01:01:36] So that's what I've been into recently. Like, yeah. So she has only video essays. Yeah. Son does that. And I see how they, they have like all the music in the background while they're working. He has like some YouTube documentary or iceberg video, just going through some topics and typing work.

[01:02:06] And I was like, what are you doing? He's like, nothing. Just listening to an essay. I was like, I guess, I guess. Cool. I guess. I guess. I guessed. The kids these days. Mr. Kevin Garcia.com. What do you got for us this week? You know what? I want to make a weird suggestion. Since you were talking about that snail movie and how much you liked it. I want to make a visually similar suggestion, although plot wise. No.

[01:02:31] So Phil Tippett is the special effects guy who did all the stop motion for the original Star Wars trilogy. He kind of was guiding the original Jurassic Park CGI animation. He's just basically a special effects pioneer. Right. In 1990, he started making a stop motion movie called Mad God and he finished it in 2021. Wow. And I saw it in an indie theater and it's, it's exactly what the title says, which is to say

[01:02:59] that it's nonsense, but it's beautiful nonsense. It is really earnestly, disturbingly beautiful nonsense. Heck yeah. Probably post-apocalyptic, but maybe not human. I don't know. It's really surreal and good. And so when I look at the, the animation, that's kind of why I remember when I saw the little clips of the snail movie on TikTok, I was like, Oh, I need to watch that. It's kind of reminding me of the other one visually. Again, that one has a plot. Mad God does not. Totally. I mean, it has a plot kind of, but I mean, like it's really just for the visuals and

[01:03:30] it's so intensely intense. And so I want to just suggest seeking that out, you know, it's called Mad God, just those two words. And it's, uh, it's weird. In fact, after watching it, my first thought was I need to cosplay that Grim Reaper character and I'm like, literally no one would get it. Like there's not even a picture of that character on the internet. Yeah. You know, but it's like, um, but like it was so, because I just need like a, one of those little hoverboard wheel thingies, like a giant. Anyway, point is, point is go watch that movie.

[01:04:00] It's weird. It's good. Cool. Yeah. I like weird. I like cool. Yeah. Another stop motion thing that you shouldn't watch is stop motion. The horror film, by the way, it's fucked up. Just don't. It don't. It just, I'm writing that down. I need to make a second suggestion. I need to make a second suggestion. A movie. I just saw literally last week, hundreds of beavers. You need to see hundreds of beavers. Yes. Hundreds of beavers. That's the name of the movie. That's called hundreds of beavers. I, I, I highly recommend if you can find a copy of it, don't even look it up.

[01:04:29] Just watch it. It will change your life. Everybody who's seen it has said the same thing. If I described to you what it is, you're going to say, that's the stupidest thing I've ever heard of. Why would I watch that? So I'm like, just watch it. It's actually good. And it will. Okay. Okay. It's. People are like, this is going to be like the, the Tex Avery of a whole new generation. It's, it's a, it's a whole thing. It's. Okay. Okay. Yeah. And it's good. It's also stop motion.

[01:04:59] It's um, it's different. Okay. Well we take those, you know, but the stop motion is a horror film. It's it. It's it's it's haunts you. I can't, I can't say hundreds of beavers is stop motion. I can say that it is not a kind of film that you have seen in the past hundred years or so. My wife's in the room and she's like, that color looks so good on you. Thank you. I know. Right. I know. Okay. Maybe. Why is it when you put your hair back, you always almost pucker?

[01:05:28] Like, why is that? Like, why is that? It's because the nerve endings in our hair follicles help bring that like. Like, is that what it is? Is that what it is? Yeah. Okay. Cool. Cool. All right. Cool. What about you? What are you recommending this week? Oh man. Well, so I besides I've been doing a lot of like consuming lots of media to distract from it all. So like lots of short form content.

[01:05:57] So a couple of things that I've kind of rolled into because I'm really wanting to watch Oscar movies right now. I still have my list to go. Uh, but I'm still delving into like the wicked fandom in general. Like it's just, it's so broad. It's so big. Um, but what I love is people creating things like inspired by said work. And one of the things that I came across on Reddit was someone made synchronized roller coasters to define gravity. His name is tube Cody on wicked or on YouTube.

[01:06:27] Um, and he does like, he just creates roller coasters. Like digital. Digital. Yeah. Okay. Okay. He synced, he synced them up to define gravity. And like, like I didn't think I would cry to a roller coaster video, but I did. It's actually so cool. Send me this. I need to watch this. I will. I will. It's, it was actually pretty cool. Like there was a preview clip on Reddit and I was like, Oh, okay. There's no way he did the whole song. And cause the clip was like short. No, he did the whole song with like the intros, outros.

[01:06:56] He, it's really cool. Like each roller coasters, like a character. It's really neat. It's just like stuff like that, that I'm like, wow, the fandom like has so much talent and they're out there making all these things. Like what? And then I also stumbled upon while searching for wicked stuff, which honestly, like, I don't know if you think about like, Oh, the future generations or like whatever, but like, then you find stuff like a whole Roblox production of the stage production of wicked.

[01:07:24] Like, and when I'm telling you, like they blocked everything. They had a lighting designer and you can watch the whole full Broadway show of wicked Roblox style. And each person up there, like is actually a person. Like I read the comments and someone was like, Oh my God, I got to play Glinda this. Oh my God. I was like, y'all like memorize cues and, and where y'all had to be on stage to make sure. And like, I've seen the Broadway production. It's accurate. Like they knew their, they knew their spots.

[01:07:54] And it's stuff like that where I'm like, Oh my God, when one title can bring humanity together to just create things. I don't know. That's been making me happy lately considering it all. So yeah. I don't know. You're literally going through a rollercoaster of emotions. I really am. And literally did. And thanks to that. Thanks to those distractions. You can defy gravity. I'm holding space. I'm holding space. But no, besides that I've had Gaga's abracadabra on loop.

[01:08:24] I don't know. I'm ready for her new album. I'm ready for a new album. That music video was just, it was beautiful. It surprised me during the Grammys. I was like, wait, this is a whole music. Oh my God. Oh my God. It was great. Would you say it's like, oh yeah, sorry. What were you gonna say? No, go ahead. Don't worry. You got to go ahead. Would you say that that song, it's very similar to like her older work or is it something completely different?

[01:08:49] You know, I feel like it's what she wanted her older work to feel like at that point. Cause like, yeah, it feels like she's, she's bringing back that like freak Gaga, but like more powerful. Like she actually knows, like she's addressing everybody now. And it's, it sounds really good. I don't know. Yeah. She's evolved. Did you, did you hear that rumor that's like semi being proved correct?

[01:09:16] That Bruno Mars wrote that song, Die With A Smile based on Attack on Titan? No. Yes. Like he said, he binge watched like four seasons of it. I mean, the internet went crazy. And they literally said, okay, look, and they synced it up to like this one, like, don't tell me that I'm gonna cry. If you watch it, it makes you cry. You're like, Oh shit. Like it shows Aaron and everything like that. And I showed my wife and she's like, wow.

[01:09:45] So now everybody's loving this song. And I go, my wife's like, I love this song. Right. And I go, yeah, it's a great song. But now that it's Attack on Titan, it's like, this is, this is perfect. Like it syncs right up. You gotta look for it. Yeah. For me, speaking of music, I've been fucking playing Dochi like crazy, man. Like, like, crazy, crazy, crazy. She's talented. Yeah. She earned that Grammy. Oh my God. She loved it, man.

[01:10:13] I don't even remember what we were searching for one night, but one of her music videos just popped up. I'm like, who's this? And we watched it. I'm like, we gotta go look up the rest of her stuff. This is amazing. I saw her on Colbert and I was like, oh shit, I haven't heard from her in a minute. Yeah. She's kind of like, I don't know, I just haven't heard from her in a minute. Yeah. And then she did the whole, like, that whole spoken word and then, you know, it was a river thing. And I was like, oh, wow. No. And I just looked at the record. It was so good. Alligator Bites Don't Heal. That is so, so, so good. I've been on that.

[01:10:41] And then as far as, there's two other things I've been really into recently and I don't know, talk about YouTube stuff that we get into. I've been really, I don't know if it's good or bad, but you know how sometimes you watch things because you know you should be doing better, but because you watch somebody that's in the worst situation you are, that makes you feel better? You're like, yeah, I'm not doing. Were you watching the Kardashians again? Huh? No, I was. The season isn't out yet. Come on. No, not yet.

[01:11:08] I am obsessed with financial audit. Caleb Hammer financial audit. Interesting. He's in Austin and this guy, all he does is have people come into Austin and they go, okay, you need help budgeting, you know, or like, hey, you need help with finance because you're struggling with something, right? And he literally goes through your shit and tears you apart on air. It goes, okay, you heard you say you have medical bills, but you went to fucking buy taquitos and you went to buy Dutch Bros and you went to buy this.

[01:11:38] So how are you saving money for that? And I'm like, oh, hell. Oh, don't come find me. I will be destroyed by this man. I know, right? This man would just tear me apart. But you know what? The upside of it is these are very like in I think a lot of it and they say it's not fictional. They even change the people's names just because it is very, you know, it's financial stuff. And then when the personal stuff out there, there was one situation, for example, there was a guy that he said my retirement plan is buying lottery tickets.

[01:12:08] Like I put money as I literally go buy lottery tickets to that's my retirement plan. Or there's one that says, well, I expect to die with no money and my kids can do what I did is just struggle and work hard. So they're not going to have any inheritance. But then he's saying the kid didn't ask to be brought into the world yet. You brought him here, but you're not going to help set them up in any way to inherit anything. They're like, nope. And it's like, wow. So there's very extreme cases.

[01:12:37] That's what there's craziness. There's lunatics. Trust me, that spend money like that. They're like a hundred, two hundred thousand dollars in debt. But yet they're like, oh, this is Prada belt. It's so cool. I bought it last week. Like, how do you buy that? It's out of control. But what I get from it and then on the positive side is that he does talk about budgeting. He does talk about how you can manage your own funds and what makes sense. You know, what's considered appropriate for you. Everybody has different budgets. I kind of had taken, you know what? Yeah.

[01:13:06] Let me look at myself. I'm not out of control like some of these people. They're extreme cases. Right? Yeah. You kind of look at yourself and go, you know what? Yeah. Maybe I don't need to go buy boba today. I'm fine. Okay. Well, hold on. No. Not today. I'm not saying every day. I don't. You know what? I don't know. It's it's it's by to get one free on Wednesday. So that Wednesdays is a must. You know, I have to have to have to have to. I mean, that's just being frugal. I have to. That's just been frugal. Of course, it's stupid not to. Right? No, but yeah.

[01:13:34] But I mean, it does come down to like, oh shit, I gotta be an adult. Yeah. For financial audit. He's in Austin and Kevin Garcia. You ain't even been a show. Be on the show. Okay. So, so I'm going to say something stupid because I'm Kevin Garcia. Um, but you're talking about, you know, financial and how everybody's kind of like, well, my only retirement plan is, is the lottery. And, and Elliot's talking about how, you know, we're trying to distract ourselves from the world. The comic book came out today as we're recording, uh, called a one world under doom.

[01:14:02] And Dr. Doom just declares that he is now ruling the world and he has outlawed war. No one's allowed to fight because every country is part of his country. Okay. And he has said everyone in the world now has universal healthcare paid for, for free. Everyone in the world now has completely free education. As far as you want to go, if you want to go all the way to college or get a doctorate, it's fine. It's all free. But the only catch is you have to worship him. And it's like, everybody reading the comics, like he's the bad guy. Right? Like, um, I could be part of a call. I know.

[01:14:31] There could be no, you know, so like, sure. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, Oh, he's also outlawing oligarchs and billionaires. So I'm like, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm liking this. So I know. And so literally the Avengers are like, we're going to stop him. And he tricks Hydra into building schools. The Avengers expose them. And then doom literally goes to the public and says, I had a terrorist group building schools for you. And the Avengers stopped them.

[01:14:58] And it's like, okay, but I need to read this. I need to read this. Well, it took financial audit because of it. You know, his current ongoing crossover series just started today. Nice. Interesting. The last thing I'll bring up tonight, because, you know, we talk about sometimes there's comfort. Also, Dr. Doom rides a dinosaur version of himself as a mount. I'm in. Dinosaur Doom? Yeah. Nerex Doom is his mount. Nice.

[01:15:29] Love that. I want it. I need it. That might be most podcast. I want Dinosaur Doom. Please send me art. Send me art. That's my cult leader. There you go. You're right. That's my cult leader. That's the man. Let's go. All about doom. He does have his own theme song, by the way. Just saying. It's out there. The last thing is comfort, right? You said we've been kind of distracting ourselves with comfort because it's just how the shit going on in the world, you know, putting things out there. Just, you know, we talked about it during the elections and here we are afterwards and things are just not where we want them to be.

[01:15:59] Yeah. But we're here because we want to entertain. We also want to share. Bring you comfort. Right. But one thing that I've been enjoying me and my wife, we kind of regressed to kind of a and we've all done it. We all go back to them. But for me, it is the. I would say. Pristine cherry on top of Korean dramas. Oh, which is boys over flowers. I heard nothing but good things. I still haven't divulged though. Elia, you are doing a disservice to yourself. I am. I have not watched it.

[01:16:28] I have not watched it yet. It's on my list. I read the manga series, but I didn't realize there was a K drama. Do you know? I'm definitely down for K dramas and webtoon inspired stuff. So it sounds like up my alley. This is everything that you would want from the cheesiest, most comforting, most hilarious, most gut wrenching. Yeah. Most dramatic, most funny, most like uber extreme, never going to happen. It's been princess story.

[01:16:58] Like, I mean, it's everything you want set in contemporary, like South Korea. Yeah. And it revolves around a girl that she works for a dry cleaner. And in this world, the oligarchs do exist. And there is a family that was provided permission from the Korean government because they brought so much commerce to the country that they can create their own school, their own, everything from school, everything, everything from kindergarten to university.

[01:17:24] Like, and if you go to this school, you are the top, top, top, top 1% financially, intellectually, they get everything. We're talking like everything, all the bells and whistles. And it so happens that this young lady wants to deliver somebody's clothes that were being cleaned in that this kid is being bullied, extremely bullied where he's going to jump off the roof of this school because he's suicidal. He jumps off the roof and it turns out that she's up there looking for him to deliver his clothes and she saves him from jumping.

[01:17:53] And in order to avoid a scandal, the school gives her a scholarship to go to this high school. And she goes because she likes to swim. And she ends up having a run in with F4, which is the four richest, most hottest K-pop boy band boys you can ever imagine. And one of them is the grandson of the company that owns the schools and every the biggest oligarch in the company.

[01:18:20] And it's, it's one of those things where they hate each other, then they love each other. And there's things that tear them apart and family drama and classism. Wow. Boys over flowers. Is there a K-pop in it? Do they sing as well in it? There are performances, but there's like nothing like you would like, oh yeah, you know, but it is amazing. You got to check it out. It's everyone has their favorite. Mine is Gojumpyo. I'm just going to put it out there. Come at me. But Jihoo is lame, by the way, if you follow Jihoo. Oh my God.

[01:18:49] Throwing shit out there. Oh, honey. My wife. That's our go to. And the thing is right now you can watch it for free on prime. It was on Netflix. So now it's on prime. I have prime. So it's only like, I want to say 20 episodes, but they're all hour, hour and a half long. I've done one. It's awesome. I'm good. Yeah. So boys over flowers. If you love that, which you don't think you love it until you get, you get into this you, you love it. It's, it's cheese.

[01:19:19] Kevin, you literally go like, oh, that's so cheesy, but it's so good. Like it's so good. I love the sweet. I love the sweet. It's so good. So definitely check out boys over flowers. You know, I want to wind down here tonight. I want to first of all, thank cat for joining us. I'm so happy you got to join and please come back anytime you like. You know, we'll have our Pupusas and Primos podcast soon. I think that'd be fun to do. Yeah. Looking forward to that. Is there anything you, you want to say to the Primos before we go?

[01:19:49] And of course, you can be letting anybody know where they can find you or have any events you're going to have. Please feel free. Yeah. Um, so I guess you can find me on social media again, um, through cat f comics, x at the end. I'm trying to post more lately, but I don't know. It's one of those things where I'm like, I'm trying to experience life more than like me on social media all the time. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. But no, it's been a delight of being here and chatting with y'all. Like, especially during these times. Yeah.

[01:20:16] It's really easy to like think that you're alone and you know, meant to be suffering alone in everything that's happening, but it's, it's nice to chat with friends and it kind of experienced love in many ways. So thank you for having me here. It really, thank you for coming. Definitely. Like we, we love having you. Definitely. Please check out cat. The guys definitely do. So Kevin Garcia, anything you want to promote or anything you want to say to the Primos before we go? Well, after this thing hits the air, my next event would be BIPOC pop, which I think

[01:20:46] we're all going to be at in one way or another. Yes. So I definitely look forward to that. It's a academic symposium slash Comic-Con at the University of Texas at Austin. So like, check it out. We're going to be there. Elia, what events do you have coming up or anything you can share with the Primos? Yeah. I'll also be at BIPOC with the Primos. So catch us there, check out our game show panel. And I'll also be promoting my upcoming graphic novel, A Princesa Taco, which will be premiering at my next event after that.

[01:21:15] See you eat you. So I'm excited. I'm excited for, I'm excited for that. Definitely. Definitely. Yeah. Like we said, we'll be at BIPOC as well. That's in March. So we definitely want to see Primos out there to support. It'll be during South by. I know Kevin's been running around doing a lot of other events as well, but he'll be at BIPOC for one of those nights. We'll be there for the weekend. Definitely check it. Check us out. Go visit, you know, come hang out with your Primos. Go support everybody there. There'll be tables there as well.

[01:21:44] You know, come buy some books, merch, and just enjoy yourselves, you know, in community, like a community. We want to help each other up, lift each other up. And these are, these are the events where we can do that, Primos. So definitely make sure you come out and check it out. But Primos, we're going to end the show here tonight. I want to, of course, thank Elia. Check her out at Spice Illustrations. Mr. Kevin Garcia, Garcia underscore com. Kat F comments with an X. Check out Kat Fajardo. And of course, Primos, remember, we love doing this.

[01:22:14] We want you to get excited because we are so excited for this season, this year. We have a lot coming down the pipe. And I want to just, of course, thank you all for coming through, sharing your time with us. Like Kat said, there are times where you can feel alone. We have conversations like this, even though you're driving to work or, you know, you're on the treadmill or just hanging around the house. Listen to your Primos. We're here for you. And no matter where you're from, Primos, we're all connected. We're all together. Quédense. Till next time. We out. We out.